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Seriously, Mary came with child...how did she come by child?
The same way He created the world...through His Word and by the Spirit. When Mary accepted/received as seed/believed the word that was spoken to her. Which is a picture of how we come to faith and our new man is created/born.
Lizbeth, I understand there was a conception I just don't know how the miracle happened. We are not told...right?
Why not try and help me understand what you aren’t understanding by what I post.rather than running to other members for help...
How would Mary conceive if not by divine intervention?
It's only head knowledge so clearly not that important to you. Go with your heart!
Intellectual knowledge has no standing when it comes to divine heart revelation....you have to wait on God for heart revelation...not keep going off on our own tangent of what we think scripture is saying from our own intellect, anyway that’s my take on it..I took time out of this thread, for good reason as stated above...
We are told about that as much as we are told about how the world was created. And that's all we need to know/believe/receive. The revealed things belong to us but there are secret things that belong to God. He is the Lord God Almighty and His word does not return to Him void but accomplishes that for which it is sent. His word is alive and active and powerful.......it has power to do miracles and create. And to think that the Word became flesh and dwelt among us! Who can fathom this? We just need to believe/receive it.
We are also told that Mary accepted/believed/received that word. "May it be done unto me according to your word." And also that the Holy Spirit overshadowed her, and that which was conceived in her was of the Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit overshadowing her reminds me of the Spirit of the Lord hovering over the great deep at the dawn of creation. The Spirit and the Word were involved in doing the will of the Father, then as now.
In other words, we’re not given all the details, and that’s perfectly fine. We don’t need to know everything, only what has been revealed to us.
I thought Jesus represented the Father?
How I understand this, is that it's significant and needful that He be both God and man, Son of God and son of man. To act as intercessory High Priest.... mediary between God and man....like a bridge back to God for fallen man. We had been cut off and disconnected from God because of sin, but Christ connects us back to the Father again. He stands in the gap for us....He ever lives to make intercession for us. And He had to be both God and man to do this because a bridge has to be connected at both ends to function as a bridge, so to speak.
The word "trinity" itself comes from the Latin word "trinitas," meaning "threefold" or "triad." While it's primarily a religious term, it can also be used more generally to describe any group or set of three closely related persons or things. Neither Wrangler nor I deny that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit form a triad (trinity). Matthew 28:19 undoubtedly discusses a triad (trinity.)
No, that is not what I meant.
Yes. Whether or not this was your intent, by comparing Matthew 28:19 with the Trinitarian formula, You declared them to be one and the same.
I deliberately stated, "As you defined it," to prevent any confusion. Regarding the question of whether the Trinity can be found in the Bible, you referenced Matthew 28:19, suggesting that the two concepts are actually identical or indistinguishable. I now see the source of your confusion: a misunderstanding of the difference between a Triad and the Christian Trinity. Matthew 28:19 discusses a Triad, not the Christian Doctrine of the Trinity.
You are mistaken. Once you read enough of my posts, you will undoubtedly conclude that I never "automatically" conclude anything.
I explained to you that water is not a valid analogy because it does not represent a plurality within unity. Water can exist in one of three distinct states at any given time, but this is not how Trinitarians understand God. Trinitarianism teaches that God is one being who exists as three distinct persons.
You are thinking like a modern. Moderns are atomists; we believe that material objects can be explained in terms of atoms and molecules. For us, a "substance" is a single element, such as hydrogen, or a molecule, such as water. But those who invented Trinitarianism weren't atomists.
The terms "son of God" and "son of man" both indicate human beings. They both refer to a human king of Israel.
The Son Of God, who was Jesus, was Born by Gods Living seed, God is/ was the Father Of Jesus, he became Jesus by divine intervention, pretty obvious according to the understanding of the word.
It's warm to hot in this room....tracking the conversation....yep it went off the rails...and I believe you did a fine job attempting to stay objective....and I'm not even picking sides here at all.
I know that Jesus was conceived by divine conception..therefore if you say that Jesus was fully human, he was also fully divine..
