Exploring Trinitarian Logic

[Ritajanice]

Was that an unhinged moment?

Unhinged moment?

He became divine as the Gospel teaches

He was divine the moment he was conceived in Mary’s womb...

He was already and chosen to be the Messiah before the beginning of time, do you deny that also?

So this question would prompt me to say you would not know Jesus if you didn't know him as the Son of Man.

How do you know that Jesus existed, you need to know much more than reading scripture ,..intellectual knowledge is nothing without “ heart knowledge “...what is heart knowledge and how do we come by it?

Jesus is referred to as the "Son of Man" approximately 81 times in the four Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John)

Which means what?

It also says many times that Jesus is the Son Of God?

How would you know that Jesus was the Son Of God?

Once again you need to understand that one needs to know Jesus in one’s heart/ spirit, not just by reading the Bible, do you understand this?

If you want to know why I'm sure you can research this yourself or ask.

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[Ritajanice]

Yes we know this just not the mechanics!

Maybe you have a picture of how this happened?

I asked you the question,

To mean God was the creator of Jesus in Mary's womb.

How did God create Jesus in the womb?

Correct—though the first Adam was formed from the Earth, Jesus inherited a sinful nature through His mother. This is why it was essential for Him to be born of a woman (Son of Man!).

Still not getting this Son Of man business, many someone else can chime in ?

Yes he was the right Son of God's choosing!

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Choosing..that makes no sense, please explain?

Jesus came from God’s seed, he came out of Gods mouth, are you denying this?

He was already the Son Of God before he was even born?

How on earth could God not get Jesus right, when he came from his seed?..Living seed, God is a Living Spirit ,yes?

We are Born Again by His seed yes?..

 

[face2face]

Unhinged moment?

Felt some negative vibes coming through that post.

He was divine the moment he was conceived in Mary’s womb...

You mean he was a baby boy who grew in wisdom and stature and in favour with God and man, right? But if you can show me a verse that supports your "he was divine", happy to look at it.

How do you know that Jesus existed, you need to know much more than reading scripture ,..intellectual knowledge is nothing without “ heart knowledge “...what is heart knowledge and how do we come by it?

Which means what?

So you are telling me you do not know what the title Son of Man means and how its applied to the Master?

It also says many times that Jesus is the Son Of God?

So correct if I'm not getting you here.

Jesus uses the title Son of God only about 5 times in all the Gospels and "Son of Man" around 80 times and you honestly expect me to believe you do not know what that title means?

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[face2face]

I asked you the question,

But you seem so confident that you know how the conception took place.

How did God create Jesus in the womb?

Do tell

Still not getting this Son Of man business, many someone else can chime in ?

Choosing..that makes no sense, please explain?

Jesus came from God’s seed, are you denying this?

This is a head shaking moment, really is

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[face2face]

@Ritajanice

Well the first thing you should know, is it's a title Jesus gave himself.

 

[Ritajanice]

Felt some negative vibes coming through that post.

Then please explain?

You mean he was a baby boy who grew in wisdom and stature and in favour with God and man, right? But if you can show me a verse that supports you "he was divine", happy to look at it.

Members already have, he was the Son Of God, what’s that if it’s not by divine heart revelation?

God is a Spirit yes, @face2face ...?..so how did Mary get pregnant if not my a supernatural divine encounter?

Can you answer me that?

So far you have evaded most of my questions.

So you are telling me you do not know what the title Son of Man means and how its applied to the Master?

So correct if I'm not getting you here.

I asked you to explain to me how Jesus was the Son Of a man?

All you do is keep beating around the bush, with no spiritual answers?

Jesus uses the title Son of God only about 5 times in all the Gospels and "Son of Man" around 80 times and you honestly expect me to believe you do not know what that title means?

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So, why can’t you explain to me what it means? And yes I don’t know what it means?

Jesus was the Son Of man..please explain who the man was?

 

[Ritajanice]

But you seem so confident that you know how the conception took place.

Do tell

This is a head shaking moment, really is

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Why is it a head shaking moment..you tell us how you believe Mary got pregnant, apparently by the Son Of man?...which means what?

You’re doing a lot of head shaking, yet not answering my question, about the Son Of man?

 

[face2face]

So, why can’t you explain to me what it means? And yes I don’t know what it means?

Jesus was the Son Of man..please explain who the man was?

The verses that signify Jesus was born into fallen humanity are seen in the Psalms:

1. Psalm 8:4 – "What is man that you are mindful of him, and the son of man that you care for him?"
2. Psalm 80:17 – "Let your hand rest on the man at your right hand, the son of man you have raised up for yourself."

Jesus would represent fallen man in every respect and Jesus knowing this called himself the Son of Man. Rather than accepting the privelidges of being the Son of God he became a Servant of God in everyway.

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[face2face]

@Ritajanice

There is another aspect to why Jesus called himself the Son of Man.

Daniel saw “one like the Son of Man” into whose hand judgement was committed”

Daniel 7:13-14 (ESV): 13 "I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man (Symbolic of Christ), and he came to the Ancient of Days (Yahweh his Father) and was presented before him. 14 And to him (Jesus) was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed."

John 5:25-27 (ESV): 25 "Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. 26 For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself.
27 And he (God) has given him (Jesus) authority to execute judgment, because he (Jesus) is the Son of Man."

Because Jesus was fully human in every respect and because he overcame sin's flesh God gave him the authority to execute judgement because Jesus represented us in every way yet without sin.

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[Ritajanice]

The verses that signify Jesus was born into fallen humanity are seen in the Psalms:

1. Psalm 8:4 – "What is man that you are mindful of him, and the son of man that you care for him?"
2. Psalm 80:17 – "Let your hand rest on the man at your right hand, the son of man you have raised up for yourself."

Jesus would represent fallen man in every respect and Jesus knowing this called himself the Son of Man. Rather than accepting the privelidges of being the Son of God he became a Servant of God in everyway.

F2F

Jesus represented fallen man?....you know, all you do is evade questions, ?..how can anyone have a decent discussion with you, when imo, you aren’t be honest ..

Jesus also said.

The Way, the Truth, and the Life
…8Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and that will be enough for us.” 9Jesus replied, “Philip, I have been with youall this time, and still you do not know Me?Anyone who has seen Me has seen theFather. How can you say, ‘Show us theFather’? 10Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me? The words I say to you, I do not speak on My own. Instead, it is the Father dwelling in Me, performing His works

 

[face2face]

Jesus represented fallen man?....you know, all you do is evade questions, ?..how can anyone have a decent discussion with you, when imo, you aren’t be honest ..

Precisely where am I not being honest? I'm answering your questions.
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[Ritajanice]

@Ritajanice

There is another aspect to why Jesus called himself the Son of Man.

Daniel saw “one like the Son of Man” into whose hand judgement was committed”

Daniel 7:13-14 (ESV): 13 "I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man (Symbolic of Christ), and he came to the Ancient of Days (Yahweh his Father) and was presented before him. 14 And to him (Jesus) was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed."

John 5:25-27 (ESV): 25 "Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. 26 For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself.
27 And he has given him authority to execute judgment, because he is the Son of Man."

Which you still haven’t explained what your understanding of that is?

Because Jesus was fully human in every respect and because he overcame sin's flesh God gave him the authority to execute judgement because Jesus represented us in every way yet without sin.

F2F

Jesus could not have been fully human, because he was God’s Son?..are you going to answer my questions?

 

[face2face]

Which you still haven’t explained what your understanding of that is?

Jesus could not have been fully human, because he was God’s Son?..are you going to answer my questions?

Are you not reading the posts?
You appear to be upset without a clear reason.
Are you okay?

 

[Ritajanice]

Precisely where am I not being honest? I'm answering your questions.
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You have not answered my questions.

I asked you , Jesus was Born Of God’s seed, was he or was he not?

How was Jesus Born..by divine intervention or by human intervention?

You said he was fully human?...explain how he was fully human, no scripture says he was fully human?

If so, where in scripture?

 

[Ritajanice]

Are you not reading the posts?
You appear to be upset without a clear reason.
Are you okay?

There is no way that I am upset, please stop trying to divert?

Please see my post above.

 

[face2face]

no scripture says he was fully human?

14 Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil— 15 and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. 16 For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abraham’s descendants. 17 For this reason he had to be made like them, fully human in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people. 18 Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted. Hebrews 2:14-17

Twice in the same section.

There are many more quotes if you need them.

The Apostles fully understood Jesus to be Son of Man.

I'm still surprised you don't know Jesus used this title some 80 times and you don't know!

 

[face2face]

There is no way that I am upset, please stop trying to divert?

Please see my post above.

I already answered it!

 

[face2face]

You have not answered my questions.

I asked you , Jesus was Born Of God’s seed, was he or was he not?

How was Jesus Born..by divine intervention or by human intervention?

You said he was fully human?...explain how he was fully human, no scripture says he was fully human?

If so, where in scripture?

I don't know how the conception took place. It sounds like you do.

Show me this "divine seed"

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[Ritajanice]

I’ve taken a time out of this thread, for good reason...I have put questions to you

14 Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil— 15 and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. 16 For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abraham’s descendants. 17 For this reason he had to be made like them, fully human in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people. 18 Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted. Hebrews 2:14-17

Twice in the same section.

There are many more quotes if you need them.

The Apostles fully understood Jesus to be Son of Man.

Well, I don’t, and as all members can read..there is much also that you don’t understand in Spirit, at least I can admit to being un- knowledgable in areas, unfortunately you can’t seem to....you don’t have the truth I’m afraid in Spirit, imo...only head knowledge, which counts for nothing.

I'm still surprised you don't know Jesus used this title some 80 times and you don't know!

he shared in their humanity, he was not fully human, if he was , then he must have been fully divine also?and still you evade the question about how Jesus was conceived...

How did Mary become pregnant if not by Gods Living seed, His Living Holy Spirit?

 

[Ritajanice]

I already answered it!

No you haven’t.

I asked you how was Jesus conceived?