Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

[JLB]

I didn't say God is lying, I said you make God a liar by claiming that He said something that He didn't say. I'm glad I helped you see that, now you can study those verses to find out what they mean.

Here is what I am claiming He said -


If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6


Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24





JLB

 

[Behold]

Romans 6:1-2
1What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase?
2May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?

Paul is showing that the born again do not have any sin to "live in".

= "How shall we (the born again)... who died to sin.......>>"live in it'.. ??????

So, when a born again person does not understand this, then they believe they can sin.., and have sin, and are in fact a sinner.

And the understanding that has to be learned, regarding what it means to have become a "new Creation in Christ"..= once learned, ... is when a person will now say......>>"How can I, who is born again, who DIED TO SIN.... still live IN IT">.?

Its impossible..... (Read 1 John 3:9) in a KJV... and believe it.

See, no one who is born again, is "IN their sin".. so, its impossible for them to "live IN IT"< when they are not "IN IT, having become a New Creation in Christ.

How to begin to see this reader? /???

First, you have to truly be born again, and not just water baptized, and religious., or you cant SEE anything about Salvation, at all.
And once we are born again, we now exist """"" IN GOD.. IN CHRIST... IN HEAVEN"""".. .IN The Kingdom of God, and there is no sin found there, because there is no law and commandments found there..

And a person says......"well, where are my sins"..

A.) "God hath made Jesus To BE Sin for us.""". = "JESUS< is the one time eternal sacrifice for SIN".... not just the first 100,000 only.


See, Jesus's sacrifice is the ETERNAL Sacrifice,= its a one time payment, a one time sacrifice for ALL sin, for ALL time.., Specifically = "to all who will believe" and be born again"..., and this OFFER is for everyone, yet its not applied unless the person Is Born again., as that is the only proof the CHRISTian, has received "THE GIFT of RIGHTEOUSNESS"... and are now "made free from sin"....

- "but behold".... "i just did it again"....... and that is the 45th time this month"...

Yes, and maybe you did commit that deed again and again, that carnal deed, however you PERFORMED IT.... "not under the Law, but under Grace", and ... = "where there is no law, there is no Transgression"..

Where there is no LAW, there is no dominion of the law that can JUDGE your deed, as a "sin"......ever again.

See, all the born again, are "in Christ" "one with God"... "seated in Heavenly places".. and there is no LAW found there..
There are no 10 Commandments found there........as GOD does not need them where He is, as all the born again are "ONE with God"..

See that yet?
Does Christ need Moses Law in Heaven? And all the born again are "in Christ"..

There is no Law of Moses or 10 Commandments in Heaven, and all the born again "are seated in Heavenly Places"... .right now and forever...

Reader, that is what you have to learn.. about your REDEMPTION that is found "IN CHRIST">..

See.....If you are truly born again, and not just water baptized and religious... then you now exist ETERNALLY connected to HOLY GOD< and He has resolved all your sin on the Cross of Christ, and now you are "made free from sin"... as a "new Creation" who has NONE.

"but behold, i just did that again".. and over there in 1 john it says....

Ok, now go back and take 5 mins and actually pay attention to what i just taught you, Reader.... so that God can give you the revelation of what it means to exist, no under the law, and IN CHRIST, forever.
I just gave you freedom, in Christ.. and God will give you the revelation, if you will have it.

 

[GodsGrace]

Paul is showing that the born again do not have any sin to "live in".

= "How shall we (the born again)... who died to sin.......>>"live in it'.. ??????

So, when a born again person does not understand this, then they believe they can sin.., and have sin, and are in fact a sinner.

And the understanding that has to be learned, regarding what it means to have become a "new Creation in Christ"..= once learned, ... is when a person will now say......>>"How can I, who is born again, who DIED TO SIN.... still live IN IT">.?

I won't be taking any lessons from you Behold.
You have very dangerous preaching that could cause some persons their very soul.
You posted that a "Christian" (my quotation marks) was living in sin by watching something on TV he shouldn't have been watching for 7 years, but he was still saved.

That is YOUR opinion.
None of us can know for sure if he was or not.
However, we know for sure that Jesus taught that we are to remain in Him or we will be thrown away and burned up.
John 15:6
6“If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.

Jesus is speaking about bearing good fruit.
Is watching that Thrones program you were speaking of considered bearing good fruit?
NO.

Jesus said we are HIS FRIENDS IF we obey His commandments.
John 14:15
14“You are My friends if you do what I command you.

I would suggest that those reading along obey Jesus' teachings and not yours.

Its impossible..... (Read 1 John 3:9) in a KJV... and believe it.

See, no one who is born again, is "IN their sin".. so, its impossible for them to "live IN IT"< when they are not "IN IT, having become a New Creation in Christ.

How to begin to see this reader? /???

Here's how to begin to see it:

John tell us that IF we sin we have an advocate.
You know the verse.
IF we have an advocate it means two things:

1. We are capable of sinning
2. We need an advocate

This is IF WE SIN.

John also states that a Christians do not MAKE A PRACTICE OF SIN.
1 John 3:9

IF John states that Christians do not LIVE IN SIN....
it means that those who do live in sin
ARE NOT CHRISTIANS.

First, you have to truly be born again, and not just water baptized, and religious., or you cant SEE anything about Salvation, at all.
And once we are born again, we now exist """"" IN GOD.. IN CHRIST... IN HEAVEN"""".. .IN The Kingdom of God, and there is no sin found there, because there is no law and commandments found there..

The above is true UNLESS you fall away from the faith.

Romans 11:19-22
. 19You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.”
20Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear;
21for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either.
22Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off.

And a person says......"well, where are my sins"..

A.) "God hath made Jesus To BE Sin for us.""". = "JESUS< is the one time eternal sacrifice for SIN".... not just the first 100,000 only.

Jesus atoned for our sins.
Correct.

See, Jesus's sacrifice is the ETERNAL Sacrifice,= its a one time payment, a one time sacrifice for ALL sin, for ALL time.., Specifically = "to all who will believe" and be born again"..., and this OFFER is for everyone, yet its not applied unless the person Is Born again., as that is the only proof the CHRISTian, has received "THE GIFT of RIGHTEOUSNESS"... and are now "made free from sin"....

Actually Jesus said we must be more righteous than the pharisees.
Matthew 5:20
20“For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus said we are to obey all of His commandments.
Matthew 5:29
19“Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


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[GodsGrace]

@Behold

2 of 2

- "but behold".... "i just did it again"....... and that is the 45th time this month"...

Yes, and maybe you did commit that deed again and again, that carnal deed, however you PERFORMED IT.... "not under the Law, but under Grace", and ... = "where there is no law, there is no Transgression"..

Where there is no LAW, there is no dominion of the law that can JUDGE your deed, as a "sin"......ever again.

But now there is a LAW.
The LAW OF CHRIST.

You are free to disobey Him if you prefer,
but Jesus said you ARE NOT HIS FRIEND, if you disobey His commandments.

That sounds very serious to me.

Jesus said to the woman that blessed His mother:
Luke 11:28
28But He said, “On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it.”

See, all the born again, are "in Christ" "one with God"... "seated in Heavenly places".. and there is no LAW found there..
There are no 10 Commandments found there........as GOD does not need them where He is, as all the born again are "ONE with God"..

We are one with God IF WE ABIDE in Christ.

Did you know that you are in a Covenant with God?
Exodus 19:5
5Now therefore, if you will indeed obey my voice and keep my covenant, you shall be my treasured possession among all peoples, for all the earth is mine;

That is the Old Covenant....
Do you know the difference between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant?

We must still obey God.

Here is the difference:
John 16:7-8
. 7“But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.
8“And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment;

See that yet?
Does Christ need Moses Law in Heaven? And all the born again are "in Christ"..

There is no Law of Moses or 10 Commandments in Heaven, and all the born again "are seated in Heavenly Places"... .right now and forever...

We are seated in heavenly places right now?
You're already in heaven?
You already have your glorified body?

What does this mean?
Romans 8:18
18For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us.

WHY did Jesus say we are to pick up our cross daily? We'll have crosses to bear in heaven?
Luke 9:23

And, we are told to count it as joy when we meet our trials. Doesn't sound like we're in heaven just yet.
James 1:2-4
2Count it all joy, my brothers, when you meet trials of various kinds,
3for you know that the testing of your faith produces steadfastness.
4And let steadfastness have its full effect, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing.

Reader, that is what you have to learn.. about your REDEMPTION that is found "IN CHRIST">..

See.....If you are truly born again, and not just water baptized and religious... then you now exist ETERNALLY connected to HOLY GOD< and He has resolved all your sin on the Cross of Christ, and now you are "made free from sin"... as a "new Creation" who has NONE.

Very true.
For as long as I REMAIN IN CHRIST.
And those IN CHRIST do not sin, or, as we've seen. they are cut away to dry up and are thrown into the fire.

"but behold, i just did that again".. and over there in 1 john it says....

But, Behold, You CANNOT sin over and over again and still call yourself a Christian.

James 22-25
22But prove yourselves doers of the word, and not merely hearers who delude themselves.
23For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks at his natural face in a mirror;
24for once he has looked at himself and gone away, he has immediately forgotten what kind of person he was.
25But one who looks intently at the perfect law, the law of liberty, and abides by it, not having become a forgetful hearer but an effectual doer, this man will be blessed in what he does.

Ok, now go back and take 5 mins and actually pay attention to what i just taught you, Reader.... so that God can give you the revelation of what it means to exist, no under the law, and IN CHRIST, forever.
I just gave you freedom, in Christ.. and God will give you the revelation, if you will have it.

Please post some verses that state it is OK to sin and STILL BE IN CHRIST.
Also, I fear you don't understand what it means to be under the Law.
No Christian is under the Law....meaning the Law of the Old Covenant....the Law of Moses.
But we are under the Law of Christ.

Paul stated he is not under the Law.....
but he is under the LAW OF CHRIST.
1 Corinthians 9:21
21to those who are without law, as without law, though not being without the law of God but under the law of Christ, so that I might win those who are without law.

Please state some verses that support your theory that we could be Christian and still live a life of sin.

 

[One 2 question]

S

Yet for some reason, the Holy Spirit kept it as part of His inspired Word.

Grace and peace to you.

So Paul was the one inspired not his writings necessarily? Or did his writings magically become inspired once they touched the other inspired scrolls (writings).

 

[Christian Soldier]

Here is what I am claiming He said -


If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6


Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24





JLB

"Here's what I'm claiming He said"???????????, well what is it. Which of the 50 different interpretations do you subscribe to.

It's ridiculous to abuse scripture in that way, I can give you a truck load of scriptures, but that means nothing if you are clueless as to what they are saying.

You have never shared your private opinion of those verses, so I have no idea what you think they mean. There are at least 50 different views and opinions of what they mean. By simply quoting them shows you are clueless

 

[PinSeeker]

So Paul was the one inspired not his writings necessarily?

Uh, what? I guess all I would say to this is that what's in God's Word is in God's Word.

Or did his writings magically become inspired once they touched the other inspired scrolls (writings).

Ugh. <smile> I would just say again, O2Q, that the God has given us His Word, and used men in various ways to do that.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[One 2 question]

Uh, what? I guess all I would say to this is that what's in God's Word is in God's Word.

And I know that God allowed the bible to be compiled and made available.

Is this the best way of delivering His truth? No! Is it His exclusive means of releasing His truth? Certainly not!

God's words are being expressed throughout each day since Their Spirit began possessing Jesus's disciples.

That's a great volume of truth, over a long period of time hey

Ugh. <smile> I would just say again, O2Q, that the God has given us His Word, and used men in various ways to do that.

Grace and peace to you.

Amen. I love Them and receiving new truth. Let's celebrate Their generosity and kindness as They share more and more of Themselves with us.

Oh the knowledge gained by experiencing a shared life together with the Divine Spirit.

 

[PinSeeker]

And I know that God allowed the bible to be compiled and made available.

And I would say directed it. Worked through people and made it happen. And still is, protecting the integrity of His Word. Yes.

Is this the best way of delivering His truth? No!

Hmmm... Are you saying you know better than God?

God's words are being expressed throughout each day since Their Spirit began possessing Jesus's disciples.

"Possessing"... I... wouldn't say it that way... <smile> But He is at work in men and women even today, certain ones anyway. That's what Paul says to the Philippians (and us), to "...it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure" (Philippians 2:13).

Beyond that, though, God is not saying or expressing new things.

...receiving new truth.

Well, you may be learning things about the truth that you had never known before, but the truth always was, is now, and forever will be. As the writer of Hebrews says, "Jesus Christ..." (Who is the Word) "...is the same yesterday and today and forever" (Hebrews 13:8).

Let's celebrate Their generosity and kindness as They share more and more of Themselves with us.

Well... let's learn more and more together. Sure.

Oh the knowledge gained by experiencing a shared life together with the Divine Spirit.

Amen. But... don't idolize this knowledge, great as it is. And I would say that to me as much as you or anyone else.

Grace and peace to you!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

S

So Paul was the one inspired not his writings necessarily? Or did his writings magically become inspired once they touched the other inspired scrolls (writings).

Or maybe God inspired him and God put his words in the scripture?

Even Peter called pauls word scripture did he not?

 

[One 2 question]

Or maybe God inspired him and God put his words in the scripture?

Even Peter called pauls word scripture did he not?

If humans agreed what should be considered scriptures or not, then that is one thing. If the Creators agreed what should be considered scriptures or not, then that is another thing.

But either way, scripture is only scripture (the revered texts, or Holy Writ, of the world’s religions). Only, in that it was only the part that was written down.

The greater volume of revelation God has imparted to Their creation was not documented.

 

[One 2 question]

Beyond that, though, God is not saying or expressing new things.

Who told YOU that?

 

[One 2 question]

And I would say directed it. Worked through people and made it happen. And still is, protecting the integrity of His Word. Yes.

I think we are refering to 2 different things here. I'm refering to the Creators' direct communication to Their creation, namely humans.

Their words, Gods' words being the expression of Their toughts.

Or, Their revelation of Themselves to Their creation.

Hmmm... Are you saying you know better than God?

I don't know more nor better than my Creators. That would be a foolish claim.

"Possessing"... I... wouldn't say it that way... <smile> But He is at work in men and women even today, certain ones anyway. That's what Paul says to the Philippians (and us), to "...it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure" (Philippians 2:13).

I love considering my Creators pleasure. I love living for Their good pleasure.

All glory to Them for They are sovereign and do as They will.

Beyond that, though, God is not saying or expressing new things.

Maybe to you. But that certainly isn't the case with me and many others.

I am so sad for you, that you don't receive truths, gifts that Jesus takes from His Father, gives to His Spirit Who delivers them to His body part on earth.

These ongoing precious new truths being manifested within the church is truly life giving.

Well, you may be learning things about the truth that you had never known before, but the truth always was, is now, and forever will be.

Yes, all truth is in Christ's Father. Always was, is and forever will be. And the great thing is that it (all truth) is being released to members of Jesus followers day after day.

As the writer of Hebrews says, "Jesus Christ..." (Who is the Word) "...is the same yesterday and today and forever" (Hebrews 13:8).

Yes, Jesus the Christ one through Whom truth comes to mankind.

He was in heaven, was on earth, is in heaven again, will be back on earth again, will be in heaven again and again, and is the same Person, in the past, in the present and is in the future.

No objections here.

Well... let's learn more and more together. Sure.

And that we
will. Now and in the never ending ever after

Amen. But... don't idolize this knowledge, great as it is. And I would say that to me as much as you or anyone else.

Grace and peace to you!

Thanks for the encouragement.

 

[JLB]

"Here's what I'm claiming He said"???????????, well what is it. Which of the 50 different interpretations do you subscribe to.

Sorry but you will not succeed in obscuring the simple, plain, and clear words of Jesus Christ.



If anyone does not abide in Me, John 15:6

If anyone does not remain in Me...


All your ranting and calling me evil names and your desperate attempts to twist the meaning of biblical words won't change the eternal truth of God's word.

It does however expose the spirit motivating you.

 

[PinSeeker]

I think we are refering to 2 different things here. I'm refering to the Creators' direct communication to Their creation, namely humans.

"Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, Whom He appointed the heir of all things, through whom also He created the world" (Hebrews 1:1-2).

There is no new revelation, O2Q. God has said all that needs to be said, Now, we do have the Holy Spirit, Who "teach(es) (us) all things and bring(s) to (our) remembrance all that (Jesus has) said to (us)" (John 14:26). And, as Paul says, God is certainly at work in us (by His Spirit) so that we both will and work for His good pleasure (Philippians 2:13).

I don't know more nor better than my Creators. That would be a foolish claim.

Well, right, or nearly as well. As Isaiah says, God's ways are higher than ours, and His thoughts are likewise higher than ours (Isaiah 55:8-9), and as David says, God's knowledge is too wonderful for us; it is high; we cannot attain it (Psalm 139:6). But yet you did say you "know that God allowed the bible to be compiled and made available," which is true, but then you said, "Is this the best way of delivering His truth? No!" So, you seemed to be saying there, "You know what God should have done, because it would have been a much better way of doing it..." <smile>

I am so sad for you...

LOL! No need for that...

...you don't receive truths, gifts that Jesus takes from His Father, gives to His Spirit Who delivers them to His body part on earth.

Hmmm, well aside from the claim of my "not receiving truths" being absolutely baseless ~ not to mention egotistical, narcissistic, and some other very negative things... ~ what are some examples of these "truths," these "gifts that Jesus takes from His Father, gives to His Spirit Who delivers them to His body part on earth," One2Question?

And the great thing is that it (all truth) is being released to members of Jesus followers day after day.

Well... Maybe this is what you're saying, One2Question, and if so, good, but yes true knowledge and wisdom is certainly on the increase among Christians; this is God's work among us. As Paul says, God began a good work in us and He surely will bring it to completion at the day of Christ (Philippians 1:6). And Jesus is the Author and Perfecter of our faith (Hebrews 12:2). And, as I cited earlier, the Spirit is teaching us all things and bringing to our remembrance all that Jesus has said to us (John 14:26). If that's what you're saying, then I agree.

And I would add this, that knowing God is not really just knowing about God. Truly knowing Him is much, much more than mere cognitive knowledge.

He was in heaven, was on earth, is in heaven again, will be back on earth again, will be in heaven again and again, and is the same Person, in the past, in the present and is in the future.

Yes, except for the bolded part. But that's another conversation I guess... :)

Thanks for the encouragement.

Absolutely.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[CC7799]

Revelation chapter 17

This is one world religious system, led by false Messiah.
Its idolatry and false religion.

Majority of people are biblically illiterate.

Ephesians chapter 6

Gospel armor is knowledge and wisdom of God's word.

Many Christians are spiritually dead. Either too lazy to study Bible.

Or listening to misguided preachers.

2 Thessalonians chapter 2

Son of perdition is Satan. He comes in his role as false Messiah to Jerusalem, 6th Trump.

Micah chapter 1

Dust man is Satan. He comes to Jerusalem.

I gave cross reference.

Satan as antichrist will lead one world religious system at 6th Trump.

Without gospel armor on. Majority will worship antichrist near future.

1 Corinthians chapter 2

The election have Holy Spirit. They are predestined, and chosen before foundation of the world.
Some people have Spirit of stupor.

More documentation.
Isaiah chapter 6
Roman's chapter 11
1 Peter chapter 1

The position for election can't be voluntary. They were chosen in the first earth age. We're in second earth age.

You either have seal of God or mark of the beast.

 

[One 2 question]

"Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, Whom He appointed the heir of all things, through whom also He created the world" (Hebrews 1:1-2).

There is no new revelation, O2Q.

It's too late. God has already given me new revelation.

I may have rejected His new revelations in the past when They offered them to me.

Now that I have received the revelation that They offered me and have experienced the benefits of these precious gifts, I'm not about reject it and return to Sender.

God has said all that needs to be said, Now, we do have the Holy Spirit, Who "teach(es) (us) all things and bring(s) to (our) remembrance all that (Jesus has) said to (us)" (John 14:26).

Great promise hey. And you may have unintentionally omitted the last part of this discourse ofJesus when He stated,
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. Jhn 16:12&13

And He has shown me things to come and I am so grateful and filled with joy as a result of this revelation of what's to come.

And, as Paul says, God is certainly at work in us (by His Spirit) so that we both will and work for His good pleasure (Philippians 2:13).

Fantastic! All glory to our sovereign Creators!

Well, right, or nearly as well. As Isaiah says, God's ways are higher than ours, and His thoughts are likewise higher than ours (Isaiah 55:8-9), and as David says, God's knowledge is too wonderful for us; it is high; we cannot attain it (Psalm 139:6).

1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

BUT THERE'S MORE!

1Co 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

AND MORE!

1Co 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

AND EVEN MORE

1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

AND MORE

1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

Yes!!!! We can know. Why? Because we have the mind of Christ! Isn't this fannnntastic news!

What a gift. What a present. Precious, precious, precious!

But yet you did say you "know that God allowed the bible to be compiled and made available," which is true, but then you said, "Is this the best way of delivering His truth? No!" So, you seemed to be saying there, "You know what God should have done, because it would have been a much better way of doing it..." <smile>

You are right. I don't know better than the Creators.

They decided to reveal the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

They decided to offer us the Spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

They decided to make the mind of Christ available to Their creation.

And They made sure I was included in Their creation.

what are some examples of these "truths," these "gifts that Jesus takes from His Father, gives to His Spirit Who delivers them to His body part on earth," One2Question?

The Spirit of God revealed the mass repenting of all those outside His kingdom. The one who led the turning back to their Creators was Satan.


As I observed this scene, the Creators accepted them, reconciling every one of them to Themselves.


God the Father went further than that. While engaging with Satan, He reached behind Him and produced a throne to His left. This prodigal angel was shown mercy and grace of the highest order.


Now isn't that something amazing, that not only the angels in heaven will rejoice over, but we the firstfuits also as we join them in worshipping our Creators. What a reunion party this will be! To be reunited with those we were separated from, be it us humans or angels. The prodigal angels have returned. This is so exciting! My heart can't help but be filled with joy right now. Oh the love of God for Their creation is absolutely astounding.

Well... Maybe this is what you're saying, One2Question, and if so, good, but yes true knowledge and wisdom is certainly on the increase among Christians; this is God's work among us. As Paul says, God began a good work in us and He surely will bring it to completion at the day of Christ (Philippians 1:6). And Jesus is the Author and Perfecter of our faith (Hebrews 12:2). And, as I cited earlier, the Spirit is teaching us all things and bringing to our remembrance all that Jesus has said to us (John 14:26). If that's what you're saying, then I agree.

And I would add this, that knowing God is not really just knowing about God. Truly knowing Him is much, much more than mere cognitive knowledge.

Knowing someone as a result of experiencing a positive, healthy long term relationship together to me is probably slightly better than just reading about that other person.

So, yes agreed.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Sorry but you will not succeed in obscuring the simple, plain, and clear words of Jesus Christ.



If anyone does not abide in Me, John 15:6

If anyone does not remain in Me...


All your ranting and calling me evil names and your desperate attempts to twist the meaning of biblical words won't change the eternal truth of God's word.

It does however expose the spirit motivating you.



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You've been ducking and weaving around and sidestepping my original charge against you for a long time now. And I see you still can't answer the simple question I asked you.

You tried to answer by citing unrelated verses of scripture, all the while avoiding the question. You quote verses but you are clueless as to what they mean.

I'm not asking you to teach me the English language, I know it very well so pasting all those useless descriptions only exposes your desperation to find some distraction so you don't have to face the awful truth that you have been deceived by the enemy.

Who is the "anyone" you keep bragging about, who are these mysterious "anyone" people. Are they those who are dead in their trespasses and sin, are they child raping murderers, are thet Devil worshipers, are they those who's best works are filthy stinking rags. See you're clueless as to what your actually pushing, you push it because it makes you feel good for now, but judgment is coming.

 

[JLB]

You've been ducking and weaving around and sidestepping my original charge against you for a long time now. And I see you still can't answer the simple question I asked you.

You tried to answer by citing unrelated verses of scripture, all the while avoiding the question. You quote verses but you are clueless as to what they mean.

I'm not asking you to teach me the English language, I know it very well so pasting all those useless descriptions only exposes your desperation to find some distraction so you don't have to face the awful truth that you have been deceived by the enemy.

Who is the "anyone" you keep bragging about, who are these mysterious "anyone" people. Are they those who are dead in their trespasses and sin, are they child raping murderers, are thet Devil worshipers, are they those who's best works are filthy stinking rags. See you're clueless as to what your actually pushing, you push it because it makes you feel good for now, but judgment is coming.

You have attacked me every since I posted this scripture, and have refused to address the actual words of these passages.

Sir, I have posted the same scripture and the instruction from John. You have posted nothing but insults.

Why are you so angry. Why are you rejecting the words of Jesus?

You will have to do better than hurling insults at me, and posting your opinion that drips with anger and hatred.


If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6


Remain in Him = Fruitful; like a branch that remains in the vine, receiving the life of the vine and thus producing the intended fruit.

Removed from Him = wither and die; cast into the fire and burned.


Here is how we are instructed to remain in Christ --


Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24


His commandments are about love; loving God and loving people.

• By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments.

By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:2-3

• For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments.

If you love Me, keep My commandments. John 14:15


Those who don't follow and remain in the teaching of Christ, do not have God.


Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 1:9






JLB

 

[PinSeeker]

It's too late. God has already given me new revelation. I may have rejected His new revelations in the past when They offered them to me. Now that I have received the revelation that They offered me and have experienced the benefits of these precious gifts, I'm not about reject it and return to Sender.

Ah, spoken like a true cultist; that's exactly what cultists think. It's a little unclear to me what exactly you mean when you speak of this "new revelation," but I'm not interested in pursuing that.

Grace and peace to you.