DOES BELIEF THAT ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED MEAN WE CAN SIN?

[Behold]

Our position is that we are in Christ. but the flesh is still alive and makes demands on teh souldof man. When we walk in the spirit we do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh and we experience our position.

A carnally minded Christian, who is fallen from Grace, is still a Christian.

See, it not by us being good that God has accepted us forever.

And our sin is gone, or we are not saved..

See, the position of a Christian, is eternal, because the spiritual birth is "union with God".

This can't end, because of our behavior, as it was not our behavior that caused God to save us, birth us in the spirit, and give us eternal life.

WE are saved and kept saved by the Same JESUS who is "the one time....eternal sacrifice for sin"

This is not a license to sin. I know you convinced yourself you live a sinless life, but you rpostings betray you.

There is no sin found in explaining that John The Devil Calvin, is a Satanic Heretic who has deceived Billions.

He is a Tool of the Devil, and His Disciples are the same.

So, its TRUTH to expose this incredible Cross Denying Liar.

God Hates Calvinism.
Hates it., because it denies His Salvation, by changing it into Calvin's Lies.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

A carnally minded Christian, who is fallen from Grace, is still a Christian.

See, it not by us being good that God has accepted us forever.

And our sin is gone, or we are not saved..

See, the position of a Christian, is eternal, because the spiritual birth is "union with God".

This can't end, because of our behavior, as it was not our behavior that caused God to save us, birth us in the spirit, and give us eternal life.

WE are saved and kept saved by the Same JESUS who is "the one time....eternal sacrifice for sin"

Glad to see you have changed you rposition from about a dozen threads ago. Bacvk then it took dozens of requests to get you to declare that if a person sins, they were never born again.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

There is no sin found in explaining that John The Devil Calvin, is a Satanic Heretic who has deceived Billions.

He is a Tool of the Devil, and His Disciples are the same.

So, its TRUTH to expose this incredible Cross Denying Liar.

God Hates Calvinism.
Hates it., because it denies His Salvation, by changing it into Calvin's Lies.

Yes ytou have said this ad-nauseum. but what you haven't done is take tulip, point byu point and show from Scripture why those five points are Satanic. I am now convinced you never will either.

But on ething I do know, Based on all your writings I have seen from you , you believe in at least three of those five demonic points! so I guess that makes you demonic as well.

 

[Behold]

Yes ytou have said this ad-nauseum. but what you haven't done is take tulip,

TULIP took your brain, and redesigned your Theology as John Calvin's Heresy. @Ronald Nolette

Im not here to teach it....im here to stomp on it, burn it, and keep NON-DECEIVED Believers away from it.
One of the MODS here hates it, but he is SILENT......and that is unfortunate.
He should stand up and protect His forum, as that's his ONLY JOB.

God hates Calvinism, and so do I.
Jesus despises it, and so do I.

You are the Calvin SELLER......not me.

 

[Davy]

There is a lot of sentiment that refutes eternal security based on the belief that it propagates freely sinning.

The Bible teaches both eternal security and living righteously.

Let's first look at eternal security.

[Jhn 3:14-16 KJV] 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

While the Old Testament was primarily given to Israel to obey, we can still learn from it.

The Jews only had to believe on Jesus to have eternal life.

[Rom 3:21-22 KJV] 21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Now on to Paul who was given revelation from the risen Christ Jesus to preach our gospel today for Jew and Gentile.

Paul revealed that we have the righteousness of God by faith in Christ. If have been declared righteous then we can know we have eternal security.

[Rom 4:21-25 KJV] 21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. 22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; 24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; 25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Righteousness was imputed to Abraham; it was not his righteousness but the righteousness of God.

The righteousness of Christ is imputed to us as well.

Jesus died for our sins and rose for our justification unto eternal life.

[Rom 5:9-11 KJV] 9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. 11 And not only [so], but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

We are justified by his blood and are reconciled.

[Rom 5:21 KJV] 21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
[Rom 6:23 KJV] 23 For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
[Tit 1:2 KJV] 2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
[Tit 3:7 KJV] 7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

These verses promise eternal life and security.

Being justified can we freely sin?

[Rom 6:1-2 KJV] 1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Paul gives answer to those who would say we are free to sin.

[Rom 6:6-7 KJV] 6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with [him], that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

We are to reckon we are dead to sin but alive to God.

[Rom 6:12, 14-15, 22 KJV] 12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. ... 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. 15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. ... 22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

Above are more verses pertaining to sin.

[Tit 2:11-12 KJV] 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

Finaly the above passage dispels the assertion that being justified eternally by grace promotes sin.

Apostle Paul also admonished the believer against sinning, and against walking by the flesh (Galatians 5; 1 Timothy 1; 1 Corinthians 6). And those warnings go along with all those first Scriptures you served. So those in Christ need the whole loaf, and not the many baskets of fragments of men's traditions.

The 'Once Saved, Always Saved' doctrine of men is from the baskets of many fragments, not from the whole Loaf of Bread. It promotes a false hope, because it most often is presented that those in Christ no longer have need for repentance of future sin, and that we cannot even sin anymore, when that simply is NOT what Apostle Paul taught at all.

 

[Doug]

So those in Christ need the whole loaf, and not the many baskets of fragments of men's traditions.

What does the whole loaf consist of?

 

[Davy]

What does the whole loaf consist of?

All of God's Word, Book by Book, Chapter by Chapter, line upon line, and the God given ability via The Holy Spirit to stick to it as written.

Jesus gave the comparison of men's doctrines ADDED... to God's Word when He asked how many baskets of fragments His disciples gathered up after His miracle of the loaves and fishes. The Word went out as a whole loaf but came back as many baskets of fragments, showing men's doctrines added to God's Word.

God sends us some good teachers, but becoming a 'workman' in His Word like Apostle Paul said, is still up to each one of us to do through our own Bible study asking God's help through His Son Jesus Christ.

 

[quietthinker]

DOES BELIEF THAT ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED MEAN WE CAN SIN?​

Does the belief that pigs fly mean they can?

 

[Doug]

All of God's Word, Book by Book, Chapter by Chapter, line upon line, and the God given ability via The Holy Spirit to stick to it as written.

I asked What does the whole loaf consist of?

All of God's word is written for our learning and admonition but we are not commanded to obey everything. Those who were to obey were those to whom the word was written.

examples

[Lev 1:2 KJV] 2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man of you bring an offering unto the LORD, ye shall bring your offering of the cattle, [even] of the herd, and of the flock.

Would we think we should obey what was commanded to Israel?

[Mat 10:5 KJV] 5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into [any] city of the Samaritans enter ye not:/

Would we think this commanded to us to obey

All of God's Word, Book by Book, Chapter by Chapter, line upon line, and the God given ability via The Holy Spirit to stick to it as written.

 

[Doug]

Jesus gave the comparison of men's doctrines ADDED... to God's Word when He asked how many baskets of fragments His disciples gathered up after His miracle of the loaves and fishes. The Word went out as a whole loaf but came back as many baskets of fragments, showing men's doctrines added to God's Word.

Please give me the verse/verses to support this

 

[Doug]

God sends us some good teachers, but becoming a 'workman' in His Word like Apostle Paul said, is still up to each one of us to do through our own Bible study asking God's help through His Son Jesus Christ.

I agree

 

[TigersPaw]

DOES BELIEF THAT ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED MEAN WE CAN SIN?

No…
Not “willingly”.
Not “unwillingly”.

Glory to God,
Taken

This.
We also will sin, until the day we are lifted up.
There is no avoiding it, but we must avoid it.

 

[Taken]

This.
We also will sin, until the day we are lifted up.
There is no avoiding it, but we must avoid it.

Converted IN Christ?

Impossible to Sin.

What is a man’s sin against God?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[TigersPaw]

Converted IN Christ?

Impossible to Sin.

What is a man’s sin against God?

Glory to God,
Taken

Taken out of context. No idea what you are trying to say here. Sorry.

 

[Behold]

We also will sin, until the day we are lifted up.

Reader, notice carefully.

There is no sin found "In Christ"

There is no sin found "in God"

There is no sin found "in Heaven".

And....so..

ALL The born again are..

= "In Christ"
= "One with God"
= "Seated in Heavenly places"..

So, if someone has sin, then Jesus has not died for it yet., = they are not FORGIVEN, yet.

If this is you, then you dont need to be "confessing sin".. you need to be forgiven, you need to be SAVED.

 

[Taken]

Taken out of context. No idea what you are trying to say here. Sorry.

If a person is Converted IN Christ, he can not sin.

Then I asked what do you think is Sin Against God?

God bless you,
Glory to God

Taken

 

[ElectedbyHim]

A carnally minded Christian, who is fallen from Grace, is still a Christian.

See, it not by us being good that God has accepted us forever.

And our sin is gone, or we are not saved..

See, the position of a Christian, is eternal, because the spiritual birth is "union with God".

This can't end, because of our behavior, as it was not our behavior that caused God to save us, birth us in the spirit, and give us eternal life.

WE are saved and kept saved by the Same JESUS who is "the one time....eternal sacrifice for sin"



There is no sin found in explaining that John The Devil Calvin, is a Satanic Heretic who has deceived Billions.

He is a Tool of the Devil, and His Disciples are the same.

So, its TRUTH to expose this incredible Cross Denying Liar.

God Hates Calvinism.
Hates it., because it denies His Salvation, by changing it into Calvin's Lies.

There is no sin found in explaining that John The Devil Calvin, is a Satanic Heretic who has deceived Billions.

He is a Tool of the Devil, and His Disciples are the same.

So, its TRUTH to expose this incredible Cross Denying Liar.

God Hates Calvinism.
Hates it., because it denies His Salvation, by changing it into Calvin's Lies.

You must provide evidence of your claims or else they are just empty words.

 

[ElectedbyHim]

All Christians will struggle with sin until they go home to the Lord.

Paul struggled with sin as Christian and said he was the chief of sinners.

Romans 7:14-25 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

 

[Behold]

You must provide evidence of your claims or else they are just empty words.

John 3:16 denies the Satanic Doctrine of : "TULIP". "Hyper Calvinism" that owns your mind @ElectedbyHim .

John says that Jesus was given to the "WORLD".. and that is every person on it..... as its not talking about the rocks and the trees.

So, Jesus was offered as the Eternal Sin Offering on The Cross = for the "WORLD">....and John explains this as "WHOSOEVER"......

And Calvinism, as TULIP, denies this, as this "doctrine of devils' teaches that Jesus didn't do this...

"Jesus came into the world to SAVE SINNERS".

See that @ElectedbyHim ?............"To save SINNERS"....and who is that? That is """ALL have sinned, there is none righteous, no not one""""..

Comprehend?

So, "ALL have sinned" and "Jesus came into the world to save SINNERS".

Comprehend"?

And John 3:16, defines these "sinners", as "the WORLD"... "everyone"... "Whosoever".

 

[JunChosen]

@Behold, And I will keep telling you as long as you do not get the gist of Romans 14-25, you will NEVER understand salvation the same as with John 3:16!!

And, this the problem with many Christians and that is, they don't understand Bible doctrines and its' interpretations!

John 3:16 denies the Satanic Doctrine of : "TULIP". "Hyper Calvinism" that owns your mind @ElectedbyHim .

John says that Jesus was given to the "WORLD".. and that is every person on it..... as its not talking about the rocks and the trees.

So, Jesus was offered as the Eternal Sin Offering on The Cross = for the "WORLD">....and John explains this as "WHOSOEVER"......

And Calvinism, as TULIP, denies this, as this "doctrine of devils' teaches that Jesus didn't do this...

You must first qualify the word "whosoever" before you can understand John 3:16.and it is NOT talking about each and everyone. Because if it is, you are making man as the king maker although it is God's salvation plan.

"Jesus came into the world to SAVE SINNERS".

See that @ElectedbyHim ?............"To save SINNERS"....and who is that? That is """ALL have sinned, there is none righteous, no not one""""..

Comprehend?

And Paul said that he was the chief sinner, Lol. Imagine, if Jesus came to save all sinners, no one will go to hell.
Comprende???

So, "ALL have sinned" and "Jesus came into the world to save SINNERS".

Comprehend"?

And John 3:16, defines these "sinners", as "the WORLD"... "everyone"... "Whosoever".

False, already explained above.

Actually, if you ask the question, "how did God love the world?" Your answer would be "that He gave His only Son, that whosoever believes in Him (only the elect, the chosen and those given to Him by the Father) will believe.

Comprende???

To God Be The Glory