Do you believe Jesus, or your experience?

[marks]

Yes, but sin is not from the body, but from our mind and emotions/spirit and soul which are reborn. The old nature is carnal and called being in the flesh.

It's the flesh body that is corrupted.

Think of this . . . apply your reasoning to something else. The "nature" of a rock is "soft, cushiony". No it's not. It's a rock, it's hard. There is no separate "nature" about from the thing.

Are you thinking those feelings and thoughts exist independant of the mind? That the mind exists independant of the brain? That the brain exists independant of the body?

The reason you have wrong thoughts is that the mind isn't right. And the mind isn't right because the brain isn't right. The corruption of the flesh.

Much love!

 

[marks]

But if you say that flesh is only our body, then you really don't know what is reborn and what our nature is.

Hardly! We've had this conversation how many times??

That which is born of flesh is flesh. When you are reborn, you are born from God, spirit. A new person.

Much love!

 

[marks]

marks, think about this. Jesus said for us to be perfect. How could that be true now if the body had sin in it? Your logic is why there is this false doctrine that we will only be perfect when in heaven, but now we will sin while we are still in these bodies. That is probably where you got your doctrine.

Think about this . . . what if you were to define "flesh" the real way? Not as some fictitious "force", but instead, what it really is? Flesh?

What would your doctrine be if you didn't redefine this word?

Do the word study yourself, I challenge you. Find that place in the Bible where the context shows "flesh" to be something other than "flesh". You will not, though you will look for it.

Much love!

 

[Brakelite]

Romans 8:3 KJV
3) For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

1 Corinthians 15:45-49 KJV
45) And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46) Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47) The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48) As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49) And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

As I understand this, Jesus was a new Adam, the Last Man. That Jesus was not born from Adam's genes, but received a body made for Him, outside of Adamic ancestry, and therefore is not corrupted by Adamic sin.

Much love!

Definitions... Original sin... Sin as nature.
Definition A ..We are not guilty because we are lost, or because of what we say, or do or think, but because of what we have inherited. Thus we become a sinner because we are born. We make sinful choices because we are sinners by nature.
Definition B... Sin is deliberately choosing to go your own way despite all awareness of God's ways and His laws. Sin is not biological, but theological. It doesn't originate in the genes, but in the mind. We do not sin because we are sinners, we are sinners because we sin.
Two different gospels are built according to which of the above definitions you subscribe to. Two different means and ways to salvation.
KJV Genesis 2:17
17 ... the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die....
....KJV Revelation 13:8
8 ... the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
As soon as there was sin, there was a Savior. Definition A declares that despite what Jesus did, I am still paying for Adams sin.
I can only pay for my own sin.
KJV Ezekiel 18:4
4 ...the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
Luke 13:1-5. Two historical stories here, the incident where Pilate murdered several people and mingled their blood with the sacrifices, and the incident where 18 men were killed building a tower which fell on them. There was evil present, but Jesus made it clear that there was no guilt. Here is the difference between evil and guilt. For example, when your cat goes outside and kills a beautiful lorikeet, is that evil? Yes. Is there guilt? No. Because the cat didn't know it was bad... To the cat it was food.
John 9:2 Lord, this dude was born blind, sin must be to blame, but who sinned... His parents?.... Or did he sin in his mother's womb?
Jesus... Neither. Don't assume that the results of sin is the same as the guilt of sin. Don't assume that evil and guilt are the same thing. Blindness is a result of Adams sin, but there is no guilt attached. Even death is one of the results of sin. It is evil, but there is not necessarily guilt attached. The death we inherit is sleep. Sinners found guilty are condemned to the second death.
KJV John 5:24-25
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
When Adam sinned it brought two things... Evil and guilt. We can be forgiven which takes care of the guilt, but the evil, even the sleep of death, remains. What we don't get is the second death as a result of guilt/responsibility.
So does evil transform into guilt, and how?
KJV John 15:24
24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.
KJV John 9:41
41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.
Knowledge turns evil into guilt.
KJV James 4:17
17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
KJV James 1:14-15
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
....this being drawn to something, even by our lust and desires, when we find something, or someone, attractive, Definition A says that is sin. Therefore temptation is sin. Outward stimulus from Satan using all manner of triggers in the world, finding a responsive chord inside ourselves in our ambition or desires, equals temptation. It is real. It is certainly evil. And we have to consider our options. BUT IT ISN'T SIN. Only when it's born, conceived, does it become sin. The thought becomes your own, something you cherish and actually wish were real. That is sin. When you cherish evil. When you tolerate evil. That is sin.
Ezekiel 18:1-4,20 stands of individual responsibility. Choice.
KJV Acts 17:30
30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
No light... No guilt.
KJV Psalms 87:4-6
4 I will make mention of Rahab and Babylon to them that know me: behold Philistia, and Tyre, with Ethiopia; this man was born there.
5 And of Zion it shall be said, This and that man was born in her: and the highest himself shall establish her.
6 The LORD shall count, when he writeth up the people, that this man was born there. Selah.
, "If light comes, and that light is set aside, or rejected, then comes condemnation and the frown of God; but before the light comes there is no sin, for there is no light for them to reject." 4SpiritualGifts 3.3
If definition A is true, If sin is by nature, it is inevitable that we shall constantly and continually sin until Jesus comes when we are translated or resurrected. If such were true, how could Jesus ever leave the sanctuary and His intercession for His people to come and take them home?
If the inevitably of sin is the result of birth, then there is no responsibility.
If sin is by choice, then we are responsible for the choices we make. We can't blame Adam, our wives, our neighbors. And we can't say the devil made me do it.
Conclusion. If definition A were true, then Jesus could not come and inherit our nature because that would make Him a sinner also. He must have a perfect nature and found it easy not to sin. Just as Adam would have found it easy. It was a new nature not inherited from Mary, but a new creation like Adam. Jesus therefore was not tempted in all points such as we were. That is definition A. And this presents the world with a completely different gospel to definition B, because if we cannot stop from being sinners, we are sinning now. Victory over sin is impossible. The gospel is only about justification.
But what of definition B? It brings sanctification as a promise.

 

[marks]

He must have a perfect nature and found it easy not to sin. Just as Adam would have found it easy.

There's a might big assumption, I think!

It's the weakness of human flesh. Don't eat for 40 days, then, when your hunger returns . . . do you not think he was truly desiring to eat?

Much love!

 

[marks]

Definitions... Original sin... Sin as nature.

Original sin was disobedience, nothing about "nature". Just a man making a wrong choice. And after that, Adam was changed, having now gained the knowledge of good and evil.

Was this some external force that began to impress itself on Adam? Or something different about the man himself?

Much love!

 

[marks]

....KJV Revelation 13:8
8 ... the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

This isn't proper exegesis. The "from the foundation of the world" belongs with the clause, "Whose names remain written". This is established in the parallel passage.

Much love!

 

[marks]

finding a responsive chord inside ourselves in our ambition or desires, equals temptation.

Yes, I agree. And that thing inside ourselves, that's the corruption of the flesh, which Jesus was born without.

Much love!

 

[Hidden In Him]

When we are not in the flesh, that means we are no longer in our old nature, but in the Spirit that killed the old nature, nailing it to the cross. Therefore, flesh is nature, not body. Romans 8:9 makes no sense at all if flesh means body. That is what I'm trying to show you. Context.

Greetings, 1CL. Hope you are well.

Just bouncing in to answer this question maybe a little more clearly for you. Mark is correct; when Paul referred to "the flesh" he was literally referencing the physical body, which wars against the Spirit and the Spirit against the flesh, such that the two are set at enmity against one another. The desires of the physical body (sexual immorality, gluttony, resistance to fasting, prayer, sleeplessness, affliction, etc., such as are often required in preaching the gospel) will not lead to salvation. The desires of the Holy Spirit (prayer, fasting, intercession, preaching the gospel even at the cost of one's physical well being if necessary, etc) will. But the Greek είμαι is occasionally used in the sense of "to live," and thus the phrase "we are not in the flesh" is equivalent to "we do not live in the flesh," and his earlier phrase "we do not walk in accordance with the flesh," which Paul leads off with in Romans 8:4. The phrase in Romans 8:9 is thus in keeping with the saying that, "In Him we live, and move and have our being." The overall teaching in Romans is that our life does not consist in living "in the flesh," or merely after our own fleshly desires, but "in Him," which means after the will and desires of the Lord Christ Jesus, "that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk in accordance with the flesh but in accordance with the Spirit." (ἵνα τὸ δικαίωμα τοῦ νόμου πληρωθῇ ἐν ἡμῖν τοῖς μὴ κατὰ σάρκα περιπατοῦσιν ἀλλὰ κατὰ πνεῦμα).

In the context of what Paul teaches in the rest of the Chapter, this is what the term "we are not in the flesh" means.

God bless, and good to see you again.
- H

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Do you believe Jesus, or your experience?

Definitely Jesus! Jesus who? Him whom the apostles bears witness to and preached, according to their to their testimony and the gospel they preached as written in scriptures some 2000 years ago.

Tong
R4629

Both.

If Picaso, a famous artist, said that blue and red make green, and I tried it but all I got was purple, then should I believe Picaso? No, because my experience confirms that Picaso was in error, making Picaso a liar. But if we start out with the ultimate giver of Truth, Jesus, and you believe in Him, and He said blue and YELLOW make green, and I tried it and it did in fact make green, then my experience proves that Jesus' words are true. But lets say I was color blind, and Picaso said that blue and red make green, and I tried it and by my experience the color looked gray, but I believed that Picaso must be right, so I would say by my experience I made green. Why? Because I have no truth in me to know the difference. So now I believe everything Picaso says as truth.

Color blindness is like the carnal nature. Now lets go to Scripture. Jesus said that He would take away our sins unto death, sins of lawlessness, but a church father sees that he still sins, so he reasons by his carnal nature that Jesus takes away our sin, but we have to wait until our body dies to experience it. The church father did not experience the removal of his sin nature, so therefore he believed his experience that contradicted scripture, thus scripture must be wrong. Do lets add the word practice, because we can at least do that much through plain willpower. So now what does he do? He find followers with itching ears that are looking for what he teachers, that agree with his lack of experience and twist scripture as they do the rest of scripture.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Greetings, 1CL. Hope you are well.

Just bouncing in to answer this question maybe a little more clearly for you. Mark is correct; when Paul referred to "the flesh" he was literally referencing the physical body, which wars against the Spirit and the Spirit against the flesh, such that the two are set at enmity against one another. The desires of the physical body (sexual immorality, gluttony, resistance to fasting, prayer, sleeplessness, affliction, etc., such as are often required in preaching the gospel) will not lead to salvation. The desires of the Holy Spirit (prayer, fasting, intercession, preaching the gospel even at the cost of one's physical well being if necessary, etc) will. But the Greek είμαι is occasionally used in the sense of "to live," and thus the phrase "we are not in the flesh" is equivalent to "we do not live in the flesh," and his earlier phrase "we do not walk in accordance with the flesh," which Paul leads off with in Romans 8:4. The phrase in Romans 8:9 is thus in keeping with the saying that, "In Him we live, and move and have our being." The overall teaching in Romans is that our life does not consist in living "in the flesh," or merely after our own fleshly desires, but "in Him," which means after the will and desires of the Lord Christ Jesus, "that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk in accordance with the flesh but in accordance with the Spirit." (ἵνα τὸ δικαίωμα τοῦ νόμου πληρωθῇ ἐν ἡμῖν τοῖς μὴ κατὰ σάρκα περιπατοῦσιν ἀλλὰ κατὰ πνεῦμα).

In the context of what Paul teaches in the rest of the Chapter, this is what the term "we are not in the flesh" means.

God bless, and good to see you again.
- H

Hi, H

Are you referring to Galatians 5:17? Sorry, but the "s" in Spirit is a small "s" and NOT the Holy Spirit, but our own mind that knows the law, the context of those verses. See Romans 7:25.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Hi, H

Are you referring to Galatians 5:17? Sorry, but the "s" in Spirit is a small "s" and NOT the Holy Spirit, but our own mind that knows the law, the context of those verses. See Romans 7:25.

Yes, although I was also referencing Romans 8:7, in that it says, “The mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to (i.e. at enemy with) God; it does not submit to God’s law.” Been doing a lot of paraphrasing lately, so sorry, Lol.

About your contention that our own human spirit is referred to rather than the Holy Spirit, I'd have to disagree. Look at the context:

16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another. (Galatians 5:16-26)

If v.16 is referring to walking in our human spirit, how will that help us live a more godly life and not fulfill the lusts of the flesh? Likewise, if v.22 is referring to the fruit of the human spirit, why would we need the baptism in the Holy Spirit at all? All we would really need is for the Lord to tell us to walk after our own human spirit, and there would be no need for the baptism.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Yes, although I was also referencing Romans 8:7, in that it says, “The mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to (i.e. at enemy with) God; it does not submit to God’s law.” Been doing a lot of paraphrasing lately, so sorry, Lol.

About your contention that our own human spirit is referred to rather than the Holy Spirit, I'd have to disagree. Look at the context:

16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another. (Galatians 5:16-26)

If v.16 is referring to walking in our human spirit, how will that help us live a more godly life and not fulfill the lusts of the flesh? Likewise, if v.22 is referring to the fruit of the human spirit, why would we need the baptism in the Holy Spirit at all? All we would really need is for the Lord to tell us to walk after our own human spirit, and there would be no need for the baptism.

I'll have to point you to verse 18. If we are led by the Spirit, we are not under what??? And what caused Paul to write this book? Something about Judaizers telling the Galatians that to be a true Christian they had to also obey what???

I love Romans 8, but verse 7 is just showing us what verse 9 is. If you do not have the Spirit of Christ you do not belong to Him. In other words, we are under the LAW before Christ and still have our carnal nature, and thus can never please God. "2 But the law of the Spirit of life in Christ has made me FREE from the law of sin and death." So we are either a Christian or not. We either have the Spirit or still sin and are under the Law. We are either a Christian child of God and going to heaven, or a sinner and will not inherit the Kingdom of God. I've looked at Galatians 5:19-21 and there is nothing there I have a desire to do, but there were a couple I wanted to do before being born again, even while I was going to church and learning and being led to Christ by the Spirit. Many in the Church today, are church going people forever learning but never coming to a full knowledge of the Truth. To them Jesus will say, I never knew you. What a sobering thought to know that would have been said to me! But I thank God that I learned of the baptism of the Holy Spirit and sought it. But still, it didn't happen for another 6 years. But once it happened, I actually felt the heaviness of the carnal nature lift out of me and put me in the Spirit, and I've stayed there. Paul's warnings are to those on the path of knowledge about Christ, but have never sought the Holy Spirit, and their teachers didn't know about Him either, so twisted scripture to fit their carnal experience, having one foot on the path, but the other stuck firmly in quicksand.

Just as Christ didn't have two natures, just the divine nature of God though He was in the form of a human being, that goes for a born again Christian also. Jesus was conceived with the seed of the Father, and a born again Christian is also conceived with the Seed of the Father and partakes of the divine nature of God. Romans 8:9; 2 Peter 1:2-4; 1 John 3:9.

H, for 44 years I have wondered about Galatians 5:17 and why it never made sense as it contradicted what the rest of Scripture said about the power of Christ and we becoming a new creature in Christ. Why would He make a new creature with the same old sin nature of Adam? Then in the last few weeks I had a revelation of God that though the word is spirit, the translators capitalized the S and it now contradicted Romans 8:2. But the revelation also pointed out that scripture explains scripture and the sister verse to Galatians 5:17 is Romans 7:25. I just love these revelations. I'm always on a high, until the next revelation, and I go soaring again. LOL

H, just think about it; I'm sure you'll see it too.

 

[Hidden In Him]

I'll have to point you to verse 18. If we are led by the Spirit, we are not under what??? And what caused Paul to write this book? Something about Judaizers telling the Galatians that to be a true Christian they had to also obey what???

I love Romans 8, but verse 7 is just showing us what verse 9 is. If you do not have the Spirit of Christ you do not belong to Him. In other words, we are under the LAW before Christ and still have our carnal nature, and thus can never please God. "2 But the law of the Spirit of life in Christ has made me FREE from the law of sin and death." So we are either a Christian or not. We either have the Spirit or still sin and are under the Law.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I think you are interpreting the phrase "not under the law" as meaning we somehow no longer have a "fleshly nature" that can be condemned by law, as you put it.

Let me put it to you this way: I am a man, and a man who never lacked much for what makes men men; no shortage of testosterone, and no shortage of the temper that goes along with it. Thankfully the sands of time are toning down the former to some extent finally (at least the sex drive anyway), but this notion that if we are not yet perfected then we do not belong to Christ is very foreign to my entire walk with Him. I envy women who have not had to deal with the anatomy most men were born with, as it makes it easier for them to live the perfected life, though it is certainly something all us are commended to strive for (and by "the perfected life" I don't mean sinlessness, but rather "perfected" in the Biblical sense of arriving at full maturity where sin no longer has dominion over one's life in a practical sense, but has been brought under submission to the Spirit).

Despite my struggles with the flesh, however, I have without question been baptized in the Holy Spirit (my Spirit baptism took place at the age of 22 in St.Louis, Missouri, while at an Assembly of God conference for Chi Alpha), and as a result, to this day I see a very strong dichotomy existing between the flesh and the Spirit just as Paul did; a continual battle going on between my physical body and the Spirit of God I have been baptized with. The two have indeed been at enmity with one another throughout my entire Christian life.

That said, I take the common view that we are no longer under the penalty of sin, that is, we are no longer under "the law of sin and death" if led by the Spirit. But to say that is referring only to being led by the human spirit makes no sense to me. I had a spirit well before I got saved, and if I needed to give myself to my "spirit nature" (if that is how it should be phrased), I would not have done so, as I would have seen no value in it. I needed and wanted a relationship with God, and as a result had an encounter with the Holy Spirit (not with my human spirit) a year or so after getting saved. This experience is what set me on the course to conforming myself ever increasingly to the image of Christ, making me what I am today.

I don't know that you and I will see eye to eye on this one, or that I can even fully grasp what you may have embraced, and since my time is still somewhat limited I'm gonna leave this one here. As I can, I will try to follow your posts whenever possible in an effort to grasp more of what you actually mean by the things you teach.

God bless,
- H

 

[Lambano]

I love Romans 8, but verse 7 is just showing us what verse 9 is. If you do not have the Spirit of Christ you do not belong to Him. In other words, we are under the LAW before Christ..

I wince when I see things like this.

When Paul says, "The LAW", he means Torah. Torah is NOT some universal laws that apply to all humans. It is understood by the Jewish people that Torah is the covenant obligations of God's chosen people. (Ask any Rabbi.) In the First Century, Gentiles (unless they were proselytes) were not part of God's people and thus never had any obligation to observe Torah. ("God-fearers" had some limited obligations such as avoiding idolatry, etc.) Hence, Paul could say in Romans 2:12, "For all who have sinned without Torah will also perish without Torah, and all who have sinned under Torah will be judged by Torah". If you're not Jewish, you're dead; if you are Jewish, you will be judged by how well you kept Torah. The Galatians controversy was about whether Gentile Christians needed to observe Torah to be part of God's chosen people. Neither Galatians nor Romans will make sense until this is understood. Thus, if you don't belong to Christ, you are not part of God's people, and you are not under Torah unless you intend to convert to Judaism. More probable is the “you’re gonna perish” option.

Thus endeth the history lesson. Please forgive the interruption. Carry on.

 

[n2thelight]

As long as we abide in Christ, we don't sin. IN Him is no sin.
People have not thought through many of the doctrines they have come to accept as if they were true. One of the gravest errors coming out of the Reformation is the idea that it is possible to be both holy and sinful simultaneously. A sinful holiness?

How is the idea of "imputed righteousness" (alien righteousness) not just a claim to be cleansed on the outside of the cup while leaving the inside dirty? (Matt. 23:25) Isn't that what Jesus accused the Pharisees of doing? But a true covering of God's righteousness causes "rivers of life" to flow from the inward man so that no impurity can be introduced from within or from without. His covering over us is His holiness which makes us holy.

As long as we remain under God's covering of righteousness we cannot sin. We must leave His covering in order to fulfill our own desires.

So what is the purpose of forgiveness ? That's a OSAS doctrine which is false

 

[Truman]

My experiential knowledge of God includes instant spiritual rebirth when I first believed, and ongoing sanctification of the soul. One day I will receive a new body. :)

 

[BloodBought 1953]

This is about love, and caring for the wellbeing of others. I think this is one of the more frequently misunderstood passages in the Bible.

Matthew 5:43-48 KJV
43) Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44) But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45) That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
46) For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
47) And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
48) Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Perfect can also be translated complete, mature, consumate.

Be ye therefore perfect, therefore is there for to show us what Jesus is talking about, loving others, not just those who love you, as demonstrated by your caring for their needs, wicked and righteous alike.

Much love!

I think Jesus meant what He said.....I know that “ I “ am Perfect .....I am also “ Holy” and “ Righteous” ....
All of these attributes were IMPUTED to me when I became a Believer.....

At the Cross, Jesus got my Sin and I got His Perfection , simply because of my Faith in Him.....again, Christianity 101...

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Don't you know that without holiness, no man shall see God?



The ONLY “Holiness” That Anybody will have while they are in a flesh body is the “ Holiness” that God IMPUTES to them because of their Faith in Jesus to Save them.......Your Own “ Personal Holiness” is a Joke and a stench in God's Nostrils....

Paul said that “ HE” never achieved Perfection—- yet YOU did.....who on “ Earth” do you think you are fooling? You ain’t fooling God.....

The false, perverted Doctrine Of “ Sinless Perfection” is a stupid lie......Anybody with an ounce of common sense knows it.....Newbies .....please don’t fall for this Unbiblical Hog Wash .....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

It is almost frightening that you think God's level of acceptance is so low. No wonder Jesus will say to many, "I never knew you."

Get ready to hear those words, deary.....you think you are perfect and keep the Law ? Lol.....you are barking up the wrong tree going out the gate—— you can't keep the Law and even if you “ did”, the Bible says, “ By The Works Of The Law—- NO Man ( or silly woman) shall be Justified.....All you did your entire life was a waste of time.....God was not even “ looking” for Perfection—- all He ever wanted was Trust.....Sorry, But you missed the boat..