Difficulty Reconciling

[face2face]

Is God subject to man's subjectivity?

No, we can only glean truth from what He has revealed. Three men on crosses! One condemned, one sinless, one saved from sin.

Two men had faith in action (living) and one didn't.

F2F

 

[GracePeace]

Correct. His confession was an act of faith whereas the other condemned himself!

Jesus DID say "God's Command is eternal life, therefore I speak as He commands Me to speak", so speaking/confessing would count as "obedience" leading to eternal life.

 

[GracePeace]

Our relationship with Jesus may not be affected by our behaviour, but it is certainly affected by our faith. If we believe or behaviour ism forgivable, then our faith or belief is askew. If we sin, and don't confess, believing we won't be forgiven, or that God had ceased t to love us, then we are judging our relationship based on works... in this case, bad works, and our faith fails ius. The just shall live by his faith. TBA am ongoing relational trust in Gods mercy that remains constant, even while we Susan's feeling stink because we have sinned. But our faith should remain strong because God's love was proven at Calvary.
The question we need to all ourselves is what is our faith for? What are believing God will do? Must give us eternal life? Salvation? Is that as far as our faith can extend to? Why did Jesus come? To save His people from their sin. He came to set us free. From our sin natures, from the power of sin over us, from its bondage, from its instigator, Satan. How does Jesus do that? By instilling in each born again child of God a Seed. A  Seed that grows and bears fruit. Fruits of righteousness, fruits of the Spirit, fruits of good works, fruits of obedience to His commandments. That, @GracePeace is how you reconcile scripture.

So, you would say that persisting in eternal life relies on persisting in faith, which includes doing good by faith?

 

[LoveYeshua]

Isaiah 30:21You will hear a voice behind you saying, 'This is the way; walk in it'"

I am here rying to discuss the Scriptures so I don't get deceived. lo

When you do everything Jesus asks of you, you cannot go wrong. His words are the key to true life, and by following them, we align ourselves with God's will. Jesus holds all authority in heaven and on earth, and He is the only source of living water for our souls. Through His teachings, we find the way to eternal life.

As He said in Matthew 28:18:
"All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me."

In John 4:14, Jesus speaks of the living water He offers:
"But whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life."

Jesus’ words are not merely instructions—they are the very essence of life itself. By listening to His teachings and following them, we embrace eternal life. As He said in John 6:63:
"The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life."

Jesus also made it clear that He Himself is the only way to eternal life. In John 14:6, He said:
"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

Following Him faithfully, we will never go astray.

 

[GodsGrace]

The OP wrote a lot, and within that is the confusion about Eternal life.
So, to understand why Peace with God is Jesus, and this is gained by faith....is the answer.



I admitted that i generally take a point from the Post, that i view as the core issue, or argument, and respond.
THat's what i do., usually......I address that.. point.

See, sometimes the OP does not know how to ask what they are trying to ask... and that is the real question.. even tho they can't quite manage it.



I did answer it.. as ive explained in this series of Posts.




THat is a false accusation... @GodsGrace .
No need for that...
That is your personal opinion. as an innuendo, that is unprovable, but you wanted it to be heard.

Listen , my purpose on any forum, dealing with anyone, is exactly the same as me teaching students in a Classroom...
Its is to bring them out of any theology, that isn't Pauline Theology, as that is the true help they need.
Forums are a nestbed of Heresies... and so, this is always related to.. ZERO understanding of Paul's Doctrine.

Paul said that we are to come into the same "Mind". and that is the "knowledge of God" as HE understands Faith, and Salvation, and all things related to becoming a "new Creation in Christ".
When this is achieved by a Believer then Paul says .....>>"as many as be PERFECT"..........and they have become so.

Hey B,
Here I am.
You've summoned me once again.
Always getting me mixed up with the OP.
Let's get this straight....
I'm the cute one!
: )

 

[GracePeace]

When you do everything Jesus asks of you, you cannot go wrong.
...
Following Him faithfully, we will never go astray.

I thought that that was very plainly true, but God told me I was trying to repay Him for my sins by all of my obedience, so I'm trying to not transgress by doing good (as odd as that may sound lol).

 

[GodsGrace]

I was wrangling with trying to understand these things for so long, then, yesterday, I had a thought that I should love God (even though it is "a work of the Law", in a sense), and, then, I felt God's love, and a supernatural peace--and it made sense that we would do, easily, what this "love" would want us to do, because it is in us, and we are in it--but it didn't last, and I have anguish now. How do I keep that love and peace?

Now LOVE is a work of the law?
Uffa.
Good night.

PS
No conflict.
Find out what BELIEVE means.

 

[GracePeace]

Hey B,
Here I am.
You've summoned me once again.
Always getting me mixed up with the OP.
Let's get this straight....
I'm the cute one!
: )

Hey, don't you call me ugly!

 

[GracePeace]

Now LOVE is a work of the law?
Uffa.
Good night.

PS
No conflict.
Find out what BELIEVE means.

Well, the Law commands it, so, yes, from one perspective, it is a work of the Law.

 

[GodsGrace]

I thought that that was very plainly true, but God told me I was trying to repay Him for my sins by all of my obedience, so I'm trying to not transgress by doing good (as odd s that sounds lol).

You obey God because it's required.
It's impossible to repay Him except with love and obedience.

You don't transgress by doing good...this is what you're supposed to do.

 

[GodsGrace]

Hey, don't you call me ugly!

I don't even know if you're a girl or a boy!
Maybe you're handsome?!

 

[GodsGrace]

Well, the Law commands it, so, yes, from one perspective, it is a work of the Law.

It's a work of love.
Law is what the Israelites followed.

 

[GracePeace]

I don't even know if you're a girl or a boy!
Maybe you're handsome?!

It's none of your business if I am a handsome brother! Lol

 

[GracePeace]

It's a work of love.
Law is what the Israelites followed.

Lots will qualify anything the Law says as a work of the Law, and, in a way, they may be right.

 

[GracePeace]

You obey God because it's required.
It's impossible to repay Him except with love and obedience.

You don't transgress by doing good...this is what you're supposed to do.

Well, maybe our heart dispositions are different, bc God said I was trying to repay for my sins by all of my obedience.

 

[GodsGrace]

It's none of your business if I am a handsome brother! Lol

Ooooh.
I think that's a yes!
Nice thread.
Will join in the morning.
1AM here.
@ Behold woke me up.....

 

[GracePeace]

Ooooh.
I think that's a yes!
Nice thread.
Will join in the morning.
1AM here.
@ Behold woke me up.....

Lol some might say so, but STAY ON TOPIC!

 

[face2face]

I was trying to pay God for my sins with my good deeds,

This is legalism and it's fruitless! Faith doesn't work that way...

 

[face2face]

Jesus DID say "God's Command is eternal life, therefore I speak as He commands Me to speak", so speaking/confessing would count as "obedience" leading to eternal life.

Logos is Life and God placed Logos in His Son and he became Logos i.e Word and Life. It was through God's commandment and his obedience to them that he was given life.

 

[GracePeace]

Logos is Life and God placed Logos in His Son and he became Logos i.e Word and Life. It was through God's commandment and his obedience to them that he was given life.

Jesus never didn't have life, but it seems He maintained life by obedience, right?