Did ANYONE In Scripture (Including Jesus), Claim Jesus IS God?

[marks]

No the One True God did that - you should read the book of the Acts of the Apostles - clearly taught there!

I'm glad we are agreed, that the One True God raised Jesus from the dead.

John 2:19-22 KJV
19) Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20) Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21) But he spake of the temple of his body.
22) When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

They believed. Why won't you??

Much love!

 

[face2face]

Why do you bother to add to my words and then argue against what you've written? Wait . . . that's another fallacy. More vain speech. Why do you bother me with your nonsense? At least give an accurate rendition of what I've said. I mean, what's the point otherwise??

Much love!

Show me your teaching of God incarnate and I will show you that the Son of Man was raised out of a fallen line of men - which is why Paul calls Christ the second Adam. God is not the second Adam, Marks!

The only nonsense is found in your unsupported claims which are adding up!

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[marks]

You hold to a doctrine that you neither fully understand nor can explain.

Think what you like.

I don't have any issues with the incarnation of Christ. But then you seem to have a penchant for putting words into other people's mouths, which means you hold both sides of this conversation, so I'll leave you to it.

Much love!

 

[Wrangler]

If you deny God incarnate as man, what else will you deny? Where will it end?

I deny any religious precept contrary to Scripture. That’s where it begins and ends.

Nothing is Scripture states anything like God incarnated as a man. Of course, if you want to read into Scripture then anything goes. Let me ask you this; what Scripture verse says it is important to believe that YHWH incarnated?

 

[face2face]

I'm glad we are agreed, that the One True God raised Jesus from the dead.

John 2:19-22 KJV
19) Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20) Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21) But he spake of the temple of his body.
22) When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

They believed. Why won't you??

Much love!

Your reading of the Word is so one-dimensional, Marks...if only you could read with context in mind!

What have you overlooked?

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[face2face]

Think what you like.

I don't have any issues with the incarnation of Christ.

So you agree you hold a teaching you neither fully understand nor can explain.

But then you seem to have a penchant for putting words into other people's mouths, which means you hold both sides of this conversation, so I'll leave you to it.

Much love!

You bow out gracefully Marks though never the wiser for it.

Just sad

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[marks]

which is why Paul calls Christ the second Adam.

Look to Scripture.

1 Corinthians 15:47 KJV
The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

When you say,

God is not the second Adam

you are just denying once again the incarnation, even though it is so clearly taught.

Your denials won't change truth, and my words won't change your mind.

Much love!

 

[face2face]

I'm glad we are agreed, that the One True God raised Jesus from the dead.

John 2:19-22 KJV
19) Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20) Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21) But he spake of the temple of his body.
22) When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

They believed. Why won't you??

Much love!

@Wrangler, it's astonishing how a false doctrine can lead a sincere believer like Marks to believe that a dead man can raise himself. Such is the power of self-deception. Jesus warned us that in the last days, many would be led astray.

 

[marks]

Did ANYONE In Scripture (Including Jesus), Claim Jesus IS God?​

Acts 20:28-30 KJV
28) Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
29) For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
30) Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

God came in a human body, and offered that body on the cross in death, to redeem us!

And remember . . . wolves will enter in, not sparing anyone! Even from among we who claim the name of Christ!

God tells us in these words . . . I bought you with My blood, take heed, feed the flock! Don't tear them with your wolves' teeth!

Much love!

 

[face2face]

Look to Scripture.

1 Corinthians 15:47 KJV
The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

When you say,


you are just denying once again the incarnation, even though it is so clearly taught.

Your denials won't change truth, and my words won't change your mind.

Much love!

The term "Second Man" and you believe it teaches the doctrine of the incarnation.

I understand, I truly do... if you fail to grasp how Christ became the Lord from Heaven through the power of His Father's resurrection, then what choice do you have but to believe these misconceptions?

As the writers explained, "Thus he became so much better than the angels, as he has inherited a name superior to theirs" (Heb 1:4).

He was made lower than the angels, and then he became!

Yet you reject both of these truths – it's truly baffling!

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[face2face]

God came in a human body, and offered that body on the cross in death, to redeem us!

 

[face2face]

Your reading of the Word is so one-dimensional, Marks...if only you could read with context in mind!

What have you overlooked?

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@marks

Re your comment about the temple being destroyed and raised the third day...

Did God provide His Son a commandment and if so what was it?

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[marks]

@Wrangler, it's astonishing how a false doctrine can lead a sincere believer like Marks to believe that a dead man can raise himself. Such is the power of self-deception. Jesus warned us that in the last days, many would be led astray.

Look at what you just did! Man, you need to get it together, so you can have a testimony!

Or just go on being a gossip, your choice. I'm seeing once again your poor manners, poor debate style, there really is no fruitfulness to this.

Here it is again, with one follow-up question.

John 2:19-22 KJV
19) Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20) Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21) But he spake of the temple of his body.
22) When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

Follow up question:

Whom did Jesus say would raise up the temple that was His body?

Much love!

 

[face2face]

God came in a human body, and offered that body on the cross in death, to redeem us!

@Wrangler, notice how they miss the victory over sin's flesh? The Law of Sin and Death was abolished in Christ, yet Marks believes God existed in that body that was held under death's dominion!

It's sheer blindness to overlook this foundational truth.

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[face2face]

Look at what you just did! Man, you need to get it together, so you can have a testimony!

Or just go on being a gossip, your choice. I'm seeing once again your poor manners, poor debate style, there really is no fruitfulness to this.

Here it is again, with one follow-up question.

John 2:19-22 KJV
19) Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20) Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21) But he spake of the temple of his body.
22) When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

Follow up question:

Whom did Jesus say would raise up the temple that was His body?

Much love!

You can't grasp the Lord's teaching, Marks, because your hyper-literal interpretation is blinding you to the truth.

Jesus had the authority to take His life again because, as he himself said, "This commandment I have received from my Father" (John 10:18). Therefore, it is not Jesus doing something for himself.

". . . The Son can do nothing of himself. . ." (John 5:19).
" I can of mine own self do nothing . . ." (John 5:30).

What you are unable to do is piece the Word together to form a correct view...to do so would lead you away from T error and into truth.

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[marks]

John 2:19-22 KJV
19) Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20) Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21) But he spake of the temple of his body.
22) When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

Disbelievers have all the excuses in the world. In this case, "He didn't really mean what He said." In other words, I don't believe what Jesus said, He must have meant something else!

Personally, I believe Jesus.

John 11:25-26 KJV
25) Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
26) And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Won't you believe too?

Much love!

 

[face2face]

Follow up question:

Whom did Jesus say would raise up the temple that was His body?

Much love!

Alright, let’s consider your teaching for a moment.

What does the Bible tell us about his resurrection?

"Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death..." (Acts 2:24).

"This Jesus hath God raised up..." (Acts 2:32).

See also Acts 3:15; 5:30; 10:39-40; and 1 Cor. 15:15.

Now, if all these passages attribute the resurrection to God and His Power alone, why, if you are correct, wouldn’t they not state that Christ raised himself?

You are missing something arn't you?

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[face2face]

Jesus was unable to do anything for himself once dead because "the dead know not any thing." (Ecc. 9:5).

He totally ceased to exist in every way!

That was the whole point of his death - he died once to sin!

God does NOT die to sin!

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[KUWN]

Jesus spoke to The Jews , saying “I AM HE”… that THEY would (via their history) Know exactly What He meant…
And Absolutely THEY were Were “AGAST” and further want to Stone, Kill Him.

John 9:
[9] Some said, This is he: others said, He is like him: but he said, I am he.

John.13
[19] Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I am he.

John 10:
[33] The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Jesus Fled.
Stoning Jesus to death in some alleyway…with few witnesses…was NOT Gods Plan.

Glory to God,
Taken

He definitely implied it. I am just saying that he did not come out and say, "I am God." I think I better word that a little next time I reply to a similar post.

 

[face2face]

@everyone else...

There is a much larger issue with Marks teaching which needs exposing:

It never refers in Scripture that "God the Son", survived the death of the body.

"He whom God raised up the third day, and showed him openly" (Acts 10:39-40).

The "him" who was crucified is the same "him" who was resurrected.

Jesus made it clear when He said, "I am he that liveth and was dead" (Rev. 1:18), a statement made after His resurrection.

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