Not really they tend to be about the overarching statistical facts of what is happening. Not about outliers or anecdotal evidence of them.
Churches are failing as we all know.
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I think it’s more important if you do the homework yourself for this. I don’t see the point in googling to copy and paste links.
Look at sites like pew and see what they say.
Google various organizations that track social trends and see if more or less people are going to churches.
Draw your own conclusion by taking a few hours and reading through multiple sources with multiple views. Best luck.
Also this is not over generalizations. There are three options.
More people are going to churches.
Same amount of people are going to churches .
Less people are going to churches.
It may help to google what is “generalizations” and seeing examples of it.
Look at sites like pew and see what they say.
Google various organizations that track social trends and see if more or less people are going to churches.
Draw your own conclusion by taking a few hours and reading through multiple sources with multiple views. Best luck.
Also this is not over generalizations. There are three options.
More people are going to churches.
Same amount of people are going to churches .
Less people are going to churches.
It may help to google what is “generalizations” and seeing examples of it.
amigo de christo
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and here comes interfaith and the lie . THEY gonna merge . a rainbow blend of losts souls
all beleiving we serve the same GOD . Well sadly they do , only its not THE GOD , ITS NOT HIS CHRIST .
interfaith has come to merge all and merge them it will .
They will smile , they will hug , they will embrace all paths , CEPT GOD , CEPT CHRIST and CEPT those pesky
christains who would not sell the truth and buy a lie .
amigo de christo
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IF we want to truly know if our church has fallen then i suggest we do one thing .
Bring the bible back into it and dont omit , dont twist , Just read all of the new testament
all of what JESUS said . Then watch and behold how loving they are TO those who do so .
Watch how loving they are to those who would correct sin within the church .
What how loving and tolerant they are to those who use GOD s own words to expose sins .
MOST churches , ITS TEETH against those who do so and all the while they keep hollering GOD IS LOVE
I see a massive problem friend . SEEMS to me many follow the version of the love of the world
BELIEVING IT TO BE THE LOVE OF GOD .
but always remember , CHARITY REJOICES ONLY IN THE TRUTH , not inquity , not lies .
AND always remember EVERY WORD OF GOD IS TRUTH . see how they treat THEM WORDS .
amigo de christo
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In your opinion where does the fiction end in the bible ?
You do understand there is an important thread running all the way through the bible starting in Genesis .
amigo de christo
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many call GOD a liar and yet know it not .
Would you like an example .
WHEN i try and remind folks of the dire necessity to BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST
and i bring HIS OWN words and words of the apostels
many sure seem to cling to the BROAD PATH of believe as thou wilt cause it dont matter who or what religoin one believes .
BUT that SURE AINT WHAT JESUS SAID now is it .
Now who do you think would try and convince mankind that something GOD said
is not really true but rather cause them to beleive a lie . A HINT , take a peek at the garden in genesis
when the serpent approached eve .
GOD had said YE EAT OF THE TREE YE DIE
The sepent had said SURELY ye shall not . ANY GUESSES ON WHICH ONE WAS RIGHT . a hint it wasnt the serpent .
SO when that ol crafity serpent and his men come and try and
say OH ye dont have to beleive , MY ADVICE TO US ALL IS , WELL JESUS SAID WE DID .
AND who ya think i am gonna believe GOD or the serpent . exactly . CAUSE IF JESUS said it , I HAVE to say
GOD said it .
amigo de christo
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amigo de christo
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In fact here is a word for word reminder that many call GOD a liar .
Ready , set ...........
HE who BELIEVES NOT the TESTIMONY that GOD gave of THE SON calls GOD a LIAR . there it is .
amigo de christo
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yeah , its let GOD be true but every man a liar . IF GOD says it BELIEVE IT and BELEIVE IN HE WHOM the FATHER DID SEND .
Had eve beleived GOD , had adam HEEDED GOD and NOT IS WIFE , well death had not come upon us .
But lets not judge , WE ALL HAVE SINNED and all fall far short of the GLORY OF GOD .
THANK GOD FOR JESUS THE CHRIST . now hit the trenches we are in the last hours and times will
only get more deceptive and persecutoins will increase against the true lambs .
Fiction is blended in throughout the whole Bible. In the ancient world, when you look at the work by scholars who specialize in ancient near eastern writing and Hellenistic writings you’ll notice that this was common. It does not undermine anything. Some good places to begin is Tim Mackie’s podcast “The Bible Project” and the podcast by Pete Enns called “The Bible for Normal People”. The work by Richard Friedman called “Commentary on the Torah” and the books by John Walton in his Lost World of series like “ The Lost World of Genesis One” and so on. All of those people are biblical scholars with phds in biblical studies.
Fiction is not synonymous with liar/lying. Saying the Bible blends fiction with nonfiction throughout it does not mean it’s lying. For example revelation contains fictional literary techniques like symbolism. Jesus uses a fictional form called parable. Not the same as lying. Saying genesis uses myths to convey its story does not mean lying. In literature, myth is type of story and has nothing to do with truth or lies.
So which Bible then? Which translation of which Bible? Is it the Septuagint or the Masoretic? Is it the Dead Sea Scrolls, The collection before or after 300ad when revelation was accepted? Is it the deuterocanonical, Lutheran collections, the Coptic Bible or is it the newest youngest Bible compiled by Martin Luther the Protestant bible? Since Jude quotes Enoch is Enoch included? The new and Old Testament both quotes from the book of Jasher so should it be included?
Should it be the KJV translation based off of newer texts and sloppier translations or the NRSVue 5th edition based off of the oldest known manuscripts translated to showcase the cultural meanings of the bronze and Iron Age mespotmaia region and the first century Hellenistic concepts of Rome?
Then once we land on that, why should the modern westernized literalist concept be a better approach to scripture than the one of ancient Jews?
amigo de christo
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Men messed up. One can read the KJV and be fine . Its these wescott and horts who came along
and tried to change stuff .
And as far as jude quoating enoch . He must have done so from a pslam . Cause it speaks of that in a pslam
about the LORD coming with the saints .
Mass confusion abounds and the cause of it was men who loved to change things to suit themselves .
Now , IN the BIBLE SKOVAND . the reason we have such a mess is due to men who complicated things .
Even the geneva is good , JUST skip the footnotes . I have read the KJV and can vouch for it .
And to prove what i already knew true i did lots of research about even our own langague .
These men of this latter generations are the ones who messed it all up .
NOW due to their one true love of power control and worship of men they do all
through satans interfaith to merge EVERYTHING to be as one . Interfaith has come of that which is of anti christ
and will now merge the divided lost to unite as one big lost family , one big lost tribe
that will end in perditoin . Satan desires the death of man , SO satan is gonna lie
and imply its not necessary TO BELIEVE JESUS is the CHRIST .
JOHN and CHRIST Himself and other apostels , SAID OTHERWISE .
I dont heed the serpent who comes to omit what JESUS said , TIME WE BELIEVE GOD and not men
TIME we believe CHRIST and not anti christ . TIME we open up a good ol KJV bible and learn THAT .
Marvelloustime
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There are within the State of Georgia, Kentucky, and many Southern states literally tens of thousands of Churches. The average are roughly around 75 members in size. Meaning half to a third of that in attendance on any given Sunday. (I've been in larger Sunday School classes)
And I am kinda confused as to the reasons why. Some reasons are obvious. In the county I live, the population is smaller than the average attendance of some churches I've been a member.
However, in my small town there exists 4 churches on the square, 5 more just off the square and at least 10 more in outlying county areas. Again, I've been a member of a church that had more in attendance on any given Sunday than this county has residents.
But why so many churches?
That's the part that is confusing to me. I don't get it. It's not the world I want but it's the world I'm living in.
Is it due to cancel culture?
And I am kinda confused as to the reasons why. Some reasons are obvious. In the county I live, the population is smaller than the average attendance of some churches I've been a member.
However, in my small town there exists 4 churches on the square, 5 more just off the square and at least 10 more in outlying county areas. Again, I've been a member of a church that had more in attendance on any given Sunday than this county has residents.
But why so many churches?
That's the part that is confusing to me. I don't get it. It's not the world I want but it's the world I'm living in.
Is it due to cancel culture?
KJV is based off of Masoretic texts which biblical scholars argue is inferior to the septugiant, which is also what Jesus seemed to quote from.
To be clear I think we can use any translation. But if someone starts to argue the Bible is literal, then you can’t be as loose with alternative definitions, alternative words or having or losing verses. To be a literalist implies a necessity for specific translations .
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Actually " I " do know that. And Yes they are.
You do know you just did the same thing you accused me of?
I respectfully say your church, may or may not be immune and you have no way of knowing this.
All you did was made blank statement. :)
How do I know? Because I have visited 1000's of them over the last 42 years.
So one church to 1000+ I will will go with my observation. And fight over being complacent because some do well.
I am sure there are a huge amount of Good churches, but if we are looking at Christ as our Savior and those that believe that?
The sad truth is yes they are failing in so many ways not only that many lie and manipulate the Bible to get funding.
Now with Trump's return, this could improve. But is unlikely, as church leadership is the issue. Not the members.
You say my church is failing, I say it's not. What do you look like? I'll look for you there. But I don't think you are there, actually, I think you are overgeneralizing and making assumptions.
Much love!
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