Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

[Truther]

The true church of Acts had no name or denominational ties.

The only way anyone in modern times can identify with the true church of Acts is if the Acts doctrine and experience is identical to theirs.

If not, they are fake news.

 

[Titus]

You continue to misinterpret those verses and teach salvation by works. John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. You are in the wrong church.

GIVE THE NAME OF YOUR CHURCH THEN. If you really love me you will tell me what church is the Lords church so I can be saved!

 

[Truther]

You continue to misinterpret those verses and teach salvation by works. John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. You are in the wrong church.

Dan, can we get INTO Christ by believing only or are we baptized into Christ?

Pick one.

 

[Titus]

Danthemailman, we are saved by works! It is impossible to be saved without works.
Your gospel goes against God. Do you think you can be saved without the works God does to save us?

John 6:28-29
And they said to Him, what shall we do that we may work the works of God?
Jesus answered and said to them, This is the WORK OF GOD, that you believe in Him whom He sent.

You are saved by works! The works of God.

Faith and no works salvation is against the Biblical gospel. It is heresy.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Was your water baptism like this?...


38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


....or, was it about something else?

The verse you display was a unique day, Pentecost. Some of these listeners from many nations and languages heard Peter preach powerfully, repented (turned to God for the first time in their lives), believed in Jesus and were baptized by the Holy Spirit. There was no water baptism there at the time. They were immersed into Jesus' name for forgiveness ifx sins.
I repented and believed in Jesus and was baptized by the Holy Spirit in the same way - without the tongues of fire.
Much later I was water baptized into the name of the Father and of the Sin and of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Titus]

The true church of Acts had no name or denominational ties.

The only way anyone in modern times can identify with the true church of Acts is if the Acts doctrine and experience is identical to theirs.

If not, they are fake news.

Hello, you are correct on many accounts.

How can you say the church bears no name?
The founder of the church is its identity.
The founder is the builder
The founder is the Head of His church.

Matthew 16:18-19

The church has been named, Ephesians 3:15
From whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named.

The church belongs to Christ and thus wears the name of Christ,
He built it,.
He is the head, Ephesians 5:23
For the husband is head of the wife as also CHRIST is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body.

He purchased it with His blood, Acts 20:28.

This is why it is identified as the church of Christ by Paul, Romans 16:16.
Why not just call the church what it is?

As the bride of Christ, the church wears the name of Christ,
2Corinthians 11:2
For I am jealous for you with godly jealousy. For I have betrothed you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

Ephesians 5:24-32
Therefore just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their husbands in everything.
Husbands love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her.

Peter taught that salvation is in a name,
Acts 4:12
Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.

Christ is the only name by which we are saved.
His church is the church of Christ.

 

[Christ4Me]

Remember this?....

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Did Jesus misspeak or did he elaborate on believing here?

Peter was speaking here but yeah, Christ was speaking thru the Holy Ghost in Peter, but you are misunderstanding Him.

Also, Romans 10 was an affirmation to the saints, not a canceling of their former water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ per all of Acts.

All that deflection for what message are you getting across? Is it "Jesus does not save. Water baptism does." ?

Also, Paul had assistants to do his baptizing for him, obeying the great commission in the process.

Another deflection while ignoring the obvious that Peter deferred form water baptism to the preaching of teh cross as it is the ower of God in salvation to save those that believe.

By the way, Jesus did not say "he that believeth and is saved...", as the modern scripture twisters have interpreted him as saying.

Jesus did say that a lot.

John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. 38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

I could go on, but there it is.

What is the difference between you and me on this issue? My testimony glorifies Jesus Christ as my Savior by believing in Him is how I am saved whereas your testimony testifies that whoever does the water baptism by whatever church, is the savior because Jesus did not save otherwise.

 

[Titus]

Peter was speaking here but yeah, Christ was speaking thru the Holy Ghost in Peter, but you are misunderstanding Him.



All that deflection for what message are you getting across? Is it "Jesus does not save. Water baptism does." ?



Another deflection while ignoring the obvious that Peter deferred form water baptism to the preaching of teh cross as it is the ower of God in salvation to save those that believe.



Jesus did say that a lot.

John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. 38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

I could go on, but there it is.

What is the difference between you and me on this issue? My testimony glorifies Jesus Christ as my Savior by believing in Him is how I am saved whereas your testimony testifies that whoever does the water baptism by whatever church, is the savior because Jesus did not save otherwise.

Please explain Paul still being in his sins 3 days after he believed in Christ?
Please explain Paul believing and not getting the Holy Spirit the moment he believed? Explain why he got HS baptism three days later after faith.
Explain Paul having his sins washed away 3 days later not the moment he believed?

]Nothing we have to do(obey)?

Paul was not saved without being told what to do. Paul had to do something.
Acts 9:6-7
So he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what do You want me to DO? Then the Lord said to him.
Arise and go into the city, and you will be told what you must DO.
Jesus told Saul/Paul, he had to Do something. You say Paul did not.
Who should I believe? You or Jesus?
Paul in three days is going to get the Holy Spirit.
He is already a believer, but he is not saved nor does he have Holy Spirit baptism yet.
Acts 9:9 And he was three days without sight, and nethier ate nor drank.
Jesus commands Ananias to preach the gospel to Paul.
Ananias goes to Paul, and guess what he tells him?
He tells Paul, to be water baptized just as Jesus commands in His gospel, Mark 16:15-16.
Acts 9:17-18
...Brother Saul(Jews call themselves brothers) the Lord Jesus who appeared to you on the road as you came, has sent me that you may receive your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.
Three days later after Paul was a believer in Jesus he gets Holy Spirit baptized!!! Wow
That does not fit your gospel of salvation the moment you believe and Holy Spirit baptism instantaneously at all!
Sounds like your gospel is not found in the actual conversions that take place in the new testament during the time Christ's gospel was in effect. But it does sound like Mark 16:15-16. Hmmm?
Acts 9:18
Immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he received his sight at once, and he arose and was baptized.
Paul was not saved by faith alone.
It is obvious he did not know your gospel!
Paul said his sins were washed away not when he believed but when he was water immersed.
Acts 22:16
And now why are you waiting? Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the lord.
Explain how three days after Paul comes to faith in Christ he still had his sins until he was baptized?
Sounds like Jesus meant what He said and says what He means, Mark 16:15-16.

 

[Titus]

What everyone needs to learn about verses that only mention faith.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

Is this salvation by faith and everything else excluded? If so where is repentance?

Faith is used in the bible often as a figure of speech known as Synecdoche.
Ever heard this word? If not it is the reason why many do not understand verses like John 3:16.

Here is how faith alone is not all inclusive in salvation.

1Corinthians 5:11
But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner---not even to eat with such a person.

Now, is this saying women are excluded?
Is this brother alone, brother only?

That is horrible exegesis! Yet it is done all the time with passages like John 3:16; Ephesians 2:8-9 Romans 4:3 etc.

1Corinthians 5:11 uses brother as the part that represents the whole i.e. all christians.
Faith in John 3:16 represents all of what man must do to be saved.
If not then the Bible is full of contradictions.

John 3:16 says faith but Acts 3:19 says repentance. Which saves us?
According to faith alone supporters, faith alone saves.
The only way to believe faith alone saves is to cherry pick out all the verses that only mention faith.
We might as well tear pages out of Jesus' gospel if that is how the Bible is to be interpreted.
Acts 2:38 is irrelevant if John 3:16 is faith only and not what it really is, The whole plan of salvation of Jesus Christ unto salvation.
Then 1Corinthians 5:11 ONLY applies to BROTHERS NOT SISTERS !
Terrible exegesis this faith alone doctrine is.

Mark 16:15-16 and Acts 2:38 are just as essential to salvation as John 3:16.
Some only believe in certain scriptures. While true faith believes in the whole council of God.

 

[mailmandan]

GIVE THE NAME OF YOUR CHURCH THEN. If you really love me you will tell me what church is the Lords church so I can be saved!

The Lord’s church is the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 1:18,24) that is made up of all born again believers, regardless of what church building with a name stamped on it that meet at on Sunday.

 

[mailmandan]

Dan, can we get INTO Christ by believing only or are we baptized into Christ?

Pick one.

We are placed into the body of Christ when we believe the gospel. (Ephesians 1:13) By ONE SPIRIT we are baptized into ONE BODY.. (1 Corinthians 12:13) This is Spirit baptism and not water baptism.

 

[mailmandan]

Danthemailman, we are saved by works! It is impossible to be saved without works.
Your gospel goes against God. Do you think you can be saved without the works God does to save us?

John 6:28-29
And they said to Him, what shall we do that we may work the works of God?
Jesus answered and said to them, This is the WORK OF GOD, that you believe in Him whom He sent.

You are saved by works! The works of God.

Faith and no works salvation is against the Biblical gospel. It is heresy.

Your sugar coated double talk still amounts to salvation by works and is heresy.

 

[user]

Repentance actually “precedes” believe him/believe the gospel/faith in Christ

Why in the world would a "non-believer" repent.

Your scenario would go like this...
Excuse me sir, do you believe in Jesus Christ?
No! (the man answers)
Well then, you must REPENT and THEN you will believe.
-Whew!

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart(they now believe), and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
[38] Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

 

[user]

So we obey the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 10:16) by trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ

But you don't really believe the Gospel. You don't believe in the burial.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

No baptism = no burial.

 

[Jim B]

But you don't really believe the Gospel. You don't believe in the burial.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

No baptism = no burial.

Luke 23:39-43, "One of the criminals who was hanging there railed at him, saying, “Aren’t you the Christ? Save yourself and us!” But the other rebuked him, saying, “Don’t you fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? And we rightly so, for we are getting what we deserve for what we did, but this man has done nothing wrong.” Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come in your kingdom.” And Jesus said to him, “I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise.”

This is just one example -- from the Bible. What about people who believe on their death beds or die tragically shortly after believing?

 

[mailmandan]

Why in the world would a "non-believer" repent.

Your scenario would go like this...
Excuse me sir, do you believe in Jesus Christ?
No! (the man answers)
Well then, you must REPENT and THEN you will believe.
-Whew!

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart (they now believe), and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
[38] Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

A non believer needs to repent (change their mind) before they can place their faith in Jesus Christ for salvation, which goes beyond mere “mental assent” belief that Jesus exists.

In Acts 2:37, their "belief" at this point was "mental assent" that Jesus was the Messiah and that they were guilty of crucifying Him. *That is not saving belief yet.* They still have not placed their faith in Jesus Christ for salvation, which explains why they still needed to repent and believe the gospel "in that order."

Those who have truly repented believe the gospel and those who believe the gospel have already repented in the process of changing their mind and choosing to believe the gospel. *Two sides to the same coin.*

The only logical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ implied in genuine repentance (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit. (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18) *Perfect Harmony*

 

[mailmandan]

But you don't really believe the Gospel. You don't believe in the burial.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

No baptism = no burial.

I believe the gospel by trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of my salvation. (Romans 1:16; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4) No supplements needed. Spirit baptism is the reality of being buried with Him into death and raised to newness of life and water baptism is the picture of the reality.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Spirit baptism is the reality of being buried with Him into death and raised to newness of life and water baptism is the picture of the reality.

Please make up our mind. The Is Only ONE Baptism, Today, Under PURE GRACE!
(Ephesians 4:5), not two, so which is it, Spiritual or physical?

GRACE And Peace...

 

[user]

Luke 23:39-43, "One of the criminals who was hanging there railed at him, saying, “Aren’t you the Christ? Save yourself and us!” But the other rebuked him, saying, “Don’t you fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? And we rightly so, for we are getting what we deserve for what we did, but this man has done nothing wrong.” Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come in your kingdom.” And Jesus said to him, “I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise.”

This is just one example -- from the Bible. What about people who believe on their death beds or die tragically shortly after believing?

The thief on the cross was not saved through New Testament salvation. Jesus was close to death, but not yet dead...

Hebrews 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

 

[user]

A non believer needs to repent (change their mind) before they can place their faith in Jesus Christ for salvation

A non-believer needs to hear the word, and then repent.

You have this to say...

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God(Repentance) is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.