Can you talk to dead people?

[domenic]

Some believe, “When you die, you go to Heaven.” Others believe “if you were bad, you go to a Hell of Fire.”
Is one, or both of these two things true, or are they man made false doctrines?
Here are a few scriptures on the condition of the dead, taken from the Bible.
Ec 9:5, 10: Ps 146: 3, 4
John 11:11, 14
If your religion says you go to heaven, or hell when you die, or can talk to the dead…than either the Bible, or your religion is wrong.

 

[aspen]

you can talk to dead people if you want to - not sure why anyone would want to. I would much rather talk with members of the Body of Christ on Earth and those kneeling before His throne.

 

[Mungo]

Some believe, “When you die, you go to Heaven.” Others believe “if you were bad, you go to a Hell of Fire.”
Is one, or both of these two things true, or are they man made false doctrines?
Here are a few scriptures on the condition of the dead, taken from the Bible.
Ec 9:5, 10: Ps 146: 3, 4
John 11:11, 14
If your religion says you go to heaven, or hell when you die, or can talk to the dead…than either the Bible, or your religion is wrong.

Or your interpretations of the Bible are wrong

 

[domenic]

Or your interpretations of the Bible are wrong

Interpretation? What interpretation is needed for these scriptures?
Ec 9:5, 10: Ps 146: 3, 4
John 11:11, 14

Mungo, if I said water was wet, you would believe it was dry.

 

[afaithfulone4u]

Some believe, “When you die, you go to Heaven.” Others believe “if you were bad, you go to a Hell of Fire.”
Is one, or both of these two things true, or are they man made false doctrines?
Here are a few scriptures on the condition of the dead, taken from the Bible.
Ec 9:5, 10: Ps 146: 3, 4
John 11:11, 14
If your religion says you go to heaven, or hell when you die, or can talk to the dead…than either the Bible, or your religion is wrong.

Yes, you can, but it is forbidden by God to speak to them. Here we see that Saul PERCEIVED that it was indeed Samuel awaken from his resting in the bosom of Abraham in peace.

1 Sam 28:14-16
14 And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself.
15 And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do.
16 Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing the LORD is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy?
KJV

God has no memory of those considered dead to his Spirit who have passed on in lower hell, but those in the upper chamber in the bosom of Abraham were still considered alive to God and were just awaiting Jesus' day when the Spirit was again available as Adam had.

Luke 24:36-39
36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
KJV


Acts 16:16-18
16 And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying:
17 The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation.
18 And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.
KJV

 

[Angelina]

Some believe, “When you die, you go to Heaven.” Others believe “if you were bad, you go to a Hell of Fire.”
Is one, or both of these two things true, or are they man made false doctrines?
Here are a few scriptures on the condition of the dead, taken from the Bible.
Ec 9:5, 10: Ps 146: 3, 4
John 11:11, 14
If your religion says you go to heaven, or hell when you die, or can talk to the dead…than either the Bible, or your religion is wrong.

Hi domenic,
Please understand that this topic will differ in understanding because this forum is made up of members of different denominations.

It's not a matter of if you are good or bad as you have pointed out but rather if you have received Jesus into your heart and acknowledge him as Lord and savior. It comes from the fact that we are all sinners deserving death due to our initial parents who sinned in the beginning when God created the earth and every living thing. They [Adam & Eve] were clearly instructed on the do's and dont's of living in a garden that he created for them. Eve got manipulated/deceived and they disobeyed God's clear instructions, which is sin.

This plunged whole the world into a state of spiritual darkness. This darkness mean't that every person born on earth were destined to die. I do not think that they were destined to die before that. Anyway, the only way to save mankind from this curse which plagued the earth, was to send his only Son [who was sinless] to be a perfect one off sacrifice for all those who believe in him by faith. This, Jesus did on behalf of the whole world and the bible says that by the sacrifice of himself, he redeemed us from the penalty of sin and death, ultimately, hell and the lake of fire. He has washed us from our sins with his blood and purchased those who believe in him from among men.

This [salvation and redemption] is available to all mankind but you must first believe in your heart that Jesus is the Son of God, that he died and God raised him from the dead and he now sits on the right hand of God [the Father praying on our behalf]. The bible says that he became a great high priest when he died and rose again. That he entered the heavenly temple and intercedes to the Father on our behalf.

Heaven and Hell/Hades are real places and going to one or the other is determined by faith in Jesus and his work on the cross which brings salvation for all who believe...Romans 10:17, John 3:16, Romans 10:9-10, Acts 2:38, Romans 4:7, 1 John 1:9, 1 John 1:7, Revelation 1:5. Revelation 5:9, Revelation 20:14-15, Hebrews 4:14, Hebrews 8:1, Hebrews 9:11

Bless ya!

 

[JB_Reformed Baptist]

Some believe, “When you die, you go to Heaven.” Others believe “if you were bad, you go to a Hell of Fire.”
Is one, or both of these two things true, or are they man made false doctrines?
Here are a few scriptures on the condition of the dead, taken from the Bible.
Ec 9:5, 10: Ps 146: 3, 4
John 11:11, 14
If your religion says you go to heaven, or hell when you die, or can talk to the dead…than either the Bible, or your religion is wrong.

I talk to the zombies of the world on a fairly regular basis. Does this count?




Holy Moses met the Pharaoh
Yeah, he tried to set him straight
Looked him in the eye
"Let my people go"

Holy Moses on the mountain
High above the golden calf
Went to get the Ten Commandments
Yeah, he's just gonna break 'em in half

{Refrain}
All you zombies hide your faces
All you people in the street
All you sittin' in high places
The pieces gonna fall on you

No one ever spoke to Noah
They all laughed at him instead
Working on his ark
Working all by himself

Only Noah saw it coming
Forty days and forty nights
Took his sons and daughters with him
Yeah, they were the Israelites

{Refrain}
The rain's gonna fall on you

Holy Father, what's the matter
Where have all your children gone
Sitting in the dark
Living all by themselves
You don't have to hide any more

{Refrain, except:}
All you zombies show your faces...
The pieces gonna fall on you

All you zombies show your faces, I know you're out there
All you people in the street, let's see you
All you sittin' in high places
It's all gonna fall on you

 

[Mungo]

Interpretation? What interpretation is needed for these scriptures?
Ec 9:5, 10: Ps 146: 3, 4
John 11:11, 14

Mungo, if I said water was wet, you would believe it was dry.

Even using the scripture is interpretation because you have decided that those particular verses are applicable to your argument.
Let's take just Eccl 9:5. You want to take the first part literally and that itself is interpretation.
“ For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing”

But read on “they have no further reward, and even their name is forgotten.”

“they have no further reward” ? There is no heaven for the dead?

“even their name is forgotten”.?
“Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should have no compassion on the son of her womb? Even these may forget, yet I will not forget you. Behold, I have graven you on the palms of my hands.” (Is 49:15-16)

When someone dies it is a separation of the body from the soul. The body decays but the soul lives on.

People in OT times had various ideas about the dead but they did not know what happened. Moreover heaven was closed to them until Jesus rose from the dead. So they imagined them asleep, as Jesus said of Lazarus.

Jesus himself said “have you not read what was said to you by God, 'I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not God of the dead, but of the living.” (Mt 22:31-32)

 

[domenic]

Mungo,

When I was raised a Catholic, I did believe as you now do...but those things are not true. I don't say these things to put you down.
Many believe the soul is different from the body…but the Bible shows that is not true.

What is the soul?

Gen 2:7
1 Cor 15:45
Jos 11:11
Ac 27:37
Jer 2:34
Le 7:18
Eze 18:4

And there are many more

 

[Mungo]

domenic,

I'm sorry you lost the truth but perhaps one day you will see the light and come back. I don't say these things to put you down.

A person consists of two parts – material (the body) and immaterial (the souls/spirit)

The soul is the immaterial part of the person and once created by God is immortal.

 

[domenic]

domenic,

I'm sorry you lost the truth but perhaps one day you will see the light and come back. I don't say these things to put you down.

A person consists of two parts – material (the body) and immaterial (the souls/spirit)

The soul is the immaterial part of the person and once created by God is immortal.

Well thank you for feeling sorry for me. I have said on other post, “I’m not a very smart guy.” You seem to have it all together: Perhaps you can help me understand just one of the scriptures I posted regarding the condition of the dead.
Psalms 146: 4
“His sprit goes out, he goes back to his ground. In that day his thoughts do Perish.”
Please help me, this soul you say leaves the body, and never dies, if all the persons thoughts perish, does God give him different thoughts? I mean he can’t have thoughts that perish. Does he just float around in a soul type body with no thoughts like some dummy? If God gave him the thoughts that have perished, then they didn’t parish after all. If God gave him different thoughts, how can he be the same person? Does God just make up past thoughts that never existed, and give him these made up thoughts?
　
Please help me understand this one little scripture, so I can begin my recovery back to the truth you say I lost. Help me see the light.

 

[aspen]

Jesus gave up His spirit on the cross.

soul equals body plus spirit

 

[Mungo]

Well thank you for feeling sorry for me. I have said on other post, “I’m not a very smart guy.” You seem to have it all together: Perhaps you can help me understand just one of the scriptures I posted regarding the condition of the dead.
Psalms 146: 4
“His sprit goes out, he goes back to his ground. In that day his thoughts do Perish.”
Please help me, this soul you say leaves the body, and never dies, if all the persons thoughts perish, does God give him different thoughts? I mean he can’t have thoughts that perish. Does he just float around in a soul type body with no thoughts like some dummy? If God gave him the thoughts that have perished, then they didn’t parish after all. If God gave him different thoughts, how can he be the same person? Does God just make up past thoughts that never existed, and give him these made up thoughts?
　
Please help me understand this one little scripture, so I can begin my recovery back to the truth you say I lost. Help me see the light.

Domenic,

I have already pointed out to to you the errors that come from trying to take the scriptures literally without considering the whole text (see post #8).

You haven’t answered the points I made about Eccl 9:5 so I presume you accept that they should not be taken literally.

Psalm 146: 3-4
“Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help. His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.” (KJV)

There is nothing about a wandering soul there.

I see you are using the NWT. Why don’t you get a proper Christian Bible?

But here are a few points to consider:

God’s revelation is progressive. In the OT people did not understand about the afterlife. But more of this is revealed in the NT. But even in the OT there are indications that souls of the deal are not annihilated. They seemed to consider that they slept. For example Saul conjures up the spirit of Samuel from sleep (1Sam 28:13-15)

Jesus says in Mt 22:31-32 “And as for the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was said to you by God, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is God not of the dead, but of the living.”

In the parable of Lazarus and the rich man Jesus clearly indicated that the dead have not ceased to exist - Lk 16:19-31

Jesus talks to Moses and Elijah at the Transfiguration (Mt 17:3)

Paul says in Phil 1:23 “I am caught in this dilemma: I want to be gone and to be with Christ, …..and yet to stay alive in this body is a more urgent need.” If Paul was not to be with Christ until the resurrection coming there would be no advantage in dying now.

Peter refers to Jesus going to preach to the spirits in prison (1Pet 3:18-19)

In Hebrews, after speaking of the many great people of the Old Testament it says “Yet all these, though approved because of their faith, did not receive what had been promised. God had foreseen something better for us, so that without us they should not be made perfect.” (Heb 11:39-40).
They could not enter heaven until we had that possibility also.

Following on from that verse the writer then says “Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses….” (Heb 12:1). He assumes they are alive and present to us in heaven.

The Book of Revelation sees souls under the altar (Rev 6:9-10)

And so on.

 

[domenic]

Why don't we do this Mungo, why don't we both use the KJ, and start from there?

 

[Dan57]

Some believe, “When you die, you go to Heaven.” Others believe “if you were bad, you go to a Hell of Fire.”
Is one, or both of these two things true, or are they man made false doctrines?
Here are a few scriptures on the condition of the dead, taken from the Bible.
Ec 9:5, 10: Ps 146: 3, 4
John 11:11, 14
If your religion says you go to heaven, or hell when you die, or can talk to the dead…than either the Bible, or your religion is wrong.

When you die, you await judgement day in Paradise or Hades. No one has gone to heaven or hell yet.

And imo, you cannot talk to the dead because................well because they're dead and can't hear you anymore!
Actually, I guess you can talk to them, but don't expect an answer :)

 

[Mungo]

Why don't we do this Mungo, why don't we both use the KJ, and start from there?

Do what?

I'm not a particular fan of the KJV. I prefer the RSV-CE.

(I prefer a complete Bible. :))

 

[rockytopva]

If the Spirit of the Lord has departed your church you will have plenty of dead people to talk to.

 

[KingJ]

Can you talk to dead people?

The dead go to either paradise (Luke 23:43) or hades (Luke 10:15). There are hence....none on earth to talk to. Just demons.

If the Spirit of the Lord has departed your church you will have plenty of dead people to talk to.

When you die, you await judgement day in Paradise or Hades. No one has gone to heaven or hell yet.

And imo, you cannot talk to the dead because................well because they're dead and can't hear you anymore!
Actually, I guess you can talk to them, but don't expect an answer :)

Hehe, amen, I see I just repeated what you said.

 

[Mungo]

The dead go to either paradise (Luke 23:43) or hades (Luke 10:15). There are hence....none on earth to talk to. Just demons.

You can believe that.

I believe differently (see post#13)

 

[KingJ]

You can believe that.

I believe differently (see post#13)

I agree with you that souls do not perish (otherwise free will to reject God does not exist). But not on soul sleep. Surely the passage you quoted 1 Pet 3:18-19 should convince you of my view :). Not a major issue though imho.

I am trying to find the verse that says demons torture those who die and go to hades. I had it a while back...pitty I can't find it. Not even with google.