Can you talk to dead people?

[Mungo]

I agree with you that souls do not perish (otherwise free will to reject God does not exist). But not on soul sleep. Surely the passage you quoted 1 Pet 3:18-19 should convince you of my view :). Not a major issue though imho.

I am trying to find the verse that says demons torture those who die and go to hades. I had it a while back...pitty I can't find it. Not even with google.

Regarding 1Pet 3:18-19 - it is not clear who these were. Some think they were rebelious agels to who Jesus proclaimed himself Lord. It seems to be a reference to the book of Enoch.

Regarding Lk 23:43 is Paradise heaven? Or is it somehwere else?
If it is somewhere else then where is it and why why did Jesus go there rather than heaven? Is he still there?

 

[Dan57]

Regarding 1Pet 3:18-19 - it is not clear who these were. Some think they were rebelious agels to who Jesus proclaimed himself Lord. It seems to be a reference to the book of Enoch.

Regarding Lk 23:43 is Paradise heaven? Or is it somehwere else?
If it is somewhere else then where is it and why why did Jesus go there rather than heaven? Is he still there?

Those verses in Peter refer to Christ taking the gospel message of salvation to all who previously perished in sin from the beginning. They were offered the same opportunity as us, to repent and accept Christ.

Paradise is not heaven, its where the saved wait for judgement (reward). http://www.gotquestions.org/Old-Testament-believers.html

 

[Mungo]

Those verses in Peter refer to Christ taking the gospel message of salvation to all who previously perished in sin from the beginning. They were offered the same opportunity as us, to repent and accept Christ.

Paradise is not heaven, its where the saved wait for judgement (reward). http://www.gotquestions.org/Old-Testament-believers.html

So there is Heaven, Hell and Paradise?

And Protestants accuse Catholics of inventing places with Purgatory!!

 

[Angelina]

Hi domenic,
Your OT was "Can You Talk To Dead People?
It is obvious based on 1 Samuel 28:1-25, that it is possible to talk to the dead, however, it is a strictly forbidden practice that is detestable before the Lord. Deuteronomy 18:10-11, 12-13 and Saul paid a penalty for it. 1 Chronicles 10:13-14. These things are pagan practices which the Lord did not want Israel to adopt....

Shalom!

 

[Mungo]

Hi domenic,
Your OT was "Can You Talk To Dead People?
It is obvious based on 1 Samuel 28:1-25, that it is possible to talk to the dead, however, it is a strictly forbidden practice that is detestable before the Lord. Deuteronomy 18:10-11, 12-13 and Saul paid a penalty for it. 1 Chronicles 10:13-14. These things are pagan practices which the Lord did not want Israel to adopt....

Shalom!

Jesus talked to the dead (Moses & Elijah) on Mount Tabor. (Mt 7:1-3). Was Jesus sinning?


What you are referring to in the references you give is conjuring up the dead and in particular consulting them about the future. Such practices are forbidden to Catholics (and others) but that is not what we are doing.

We believe that those who have died in God's grace are alive with Jesus in heaven. They are all as much a part of the one body of Christ as those on earth. Moreover we do not communicate with them in the same way as is forbidden in the OT. We ask them for their intercession, not for them to talk to us. We are just asking them for their prayers and help, though Christ, our one Lord. The saints can aid us with their prayer precisely because they are deeply united to Christ in heaven.

“The prayer of the righteous is powerful and effective” (Jas 5:16). Are not those in heaven righteous & therefore their prayers powerful and effective?

Jesus said
“I am the resurrection and the life; whoever believes in me, even if he dies, will live, and everyone who lives and believes in me will never die..” (John 11: 25-26,)
"will never die." That means that everyone who "lives and believes" in Jesus from then until now is alive! For as Jesus told the Sadducees, "and he is not God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive.” (Luke 20:38).

 

[KingJ]

So there is Heaven, Hell and Paradise?

And Protestants accuse Catholics of inventing places with Purgatory!!

The way I understand it is, everywhere except for earth, hell and hades is heaven. Where God's presence is = heaven. Hence paradise falls under 'heaven' but is not literally at His throne. Only after judgement days are people assigned positions in hell and God's presence. I guess it all depends when you believe the Bema seat judgement takes place. Paradise or heaven is not a big issue though unlike Hades. The white throne judgement has not yet taken place. Nobody is in the lake of fire. There has to be a waiting place for it.

 

[domenic]

Jesus talked to the dead (Moses & Elijah) on Mount Tabor. (Mt 7:1-3). Was Jesus sinning?


What you are referring to in the references you give is conjuring up the dead and in particular consulting them about the future. Such practices are forbidden to Catholics (and others) but that is not what we are doing.

We believe that those who have died in God's grace are alive with Jesus in heaven. They are all as much a part of the one body of Christ as those on earth. Moreover we do not communicate with them in the same way as is forbidden in the OT. We ask them for their intercession, not for them to talk to us. We are just asking them for their prayers and help, though Christ, our one Lord. The saints can aid us with their prayer precisely because they are deeply united to Christ in heaven.

“The prayer of the righteous is powerful and effective” (Jas 5:16). Are not those in heaven righteous & therefore their prayers powerful and effective?

Jesus said
“I am the resurrection and the life; whoever believes in me, even if he dies, will live, and everyone who lives and believes in me will never die..” (John 11: 25-26,)
"will never die." That means that everyone who "lives and believes" in Jesus from then until now is alive! For as Jesus told the Sadducees, "and he is not God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive.” (Luke 20:38).

When Jesus said, "You will never die," He was speaking about the future, after he brings you back to life.
When Jesus was on the stake, he said to the man next to him, "I say to you this day, you will be with me in Paradise."
Jesus was not in Paradise that day…he was dead for three days. What he was saying was. “I’m telling you today…you will be with me in Paradise.”
When he said “You will never die,” He was saying, “When I bring you back from death, you will never die.”
You have to remember when there is a translation from on language to another, there is a mix up, especially into English.
I recall when I was learning French;
The French would say; “The Tower Eiffel.”
English: “The Eiffel Tower.”
English speaking people would have to turn the words around for a French person to understand the English speaking person.

afaithfulone4u Thank you.

 

[Angelina]

Hi Mungo

Jesus talked to the dead (Moses & Elijah) on Mount Tabor. (Mt 7:1-3). Was Jesus sinning?

Elijah was taken up to heaven in a chariot of fire, he actually didn't die...
2 Kings 2:11
As they were walking along and talking together, suddenly a chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind.

...and God was merciful toward Moses.
Jude 1:9
But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”

Jesus can speak to anyone he likes because he is God. He spoke to Satan didn't he? Matthew 4:4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. How many of us speak to Satan cos Jesus did huh?

When God told the Israelites not to talk to dead people because it was detestable in his sight...he wasn't joking. :huh:

Shalom!

 

[Mungo]

When Jesus said, "You will never die," He was speaking about the future, after he brings you back to life.

That's a given that you will never die again after the resurrection.

But Jesus is saying that if you believe in him you will not experience spiritual death.

We will be "in Christ" and Christ is alive.

When Jesus was on the stake, he said to the man next to him, "I say to you this day, you will be with me in Paradise."
Jesus was not in Paradise that day…he was dead for three days. What he was saying was. “I’m telling you today…you will be with me in Paradise.”
When he said “You will never die,” He was saying, “When I bring you back from death, you will never die.”
You have to remember when there is a translation from on language to another, there is a mix up, especially into English.
I recall when I was learning French;
The French would say; “The Tower Eiffel.”
English: “The Eiffel Tower.”
English speaking people would have to turn the words around for a French person to understand the English speaking person.

This is nothing to do with French and English.

Is that your corrupt NWT again?

That's not how all the other experts have translated that. Here are some starting with the KJV:

And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. (KJV)

"Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise." (RSV)

He replied, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise.” (NRSV)

Truly I tell you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise (Amplified)

I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in Paradise (NIV)

and Jesus said to him, ‘Verily I say to thee, To-day with me thou shalt be in the paradise.’ (YLT)

And Jesus said to him, Verily I say to thee, To-day shalt thou be with me in paradise. (DLT)

He said, “Don’t worry, I will. Today you will join me in paradise.” (The Message)

And Jesus replied, “I assure you, today you will be with me in paradise.” (NLT)

I could dig out some more but I'm sure they will all say the same.

Hi Mungo
Elijah was taken up to heaven in a chariot of fire, he actually didn't die...
2 Kings 2:11
As they were walking along and talking together, suddenly a chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind.

...and God was merciful toward Moses.
Jude 1:9
But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”

Jesus can speak to anyone he likes because he is God. He spoke to Satan didn't he? Matthew 4:4. How many of us speak to Satan cos Jesus did huh?

When God told the Israelites not to talk to dead people because it was detestable in his sight...he wasn't joking. :huh:

Shalom!

Heaven in 2Kg 2:11 is plural - the heavens. It means the sky just as it means that Genesis 1.

Heaven, where God dwells, was closed to makind (Gen 3:24) until Christ died and rose again.

We can rebuke Satan just as Jesus did. Perhaps we should do it more often instead of giving in to his temptations!

God didn't tell us not to talk to the dead. He told is not to consult with the dead or conjure them up.

Moreover we don't talk to the dead because we are talking to the living in heaven. Also we are not talking as in having a conversation, but asking them to pray for us.

 

[domenic]

Okay I'll play stupid. If all good people are going to heaven, who will care for the Earth? which is why Gods created man. Who are the meek that will live on the Earth, and never know death? Those of you who believe good people (the bad will be dead) will go to heaven, are in fact saying Gods plan for man to care for the Earth did not work. Everything God does works. Nothing he does fails.
If all good people are in Heaven, what is God going to do, bus people to and from heaven every day to care for the Earth?
I know those of you who believe good people are going to Heaven, will never believe you are going to be on Earth in the Flesh, as God designed us for...and nothing anybody can say will be able to reason with you...so just believe your fairy tale, and let those of us who are stupid in your eyes, stay stupid.

Have fun where ever you think you're going. When you find yourselves on Paradise Earth, we stupid people will have to listen to you Heaven people forever saying, "No this is not Paradise, it's Heaven."

 

[Angelina]

Heaven in 2Kg 2:11 is plural - the heavens. It means the sky just as it means that Genesis 1.Heaven, where God dwells, was closed to makind So the angels did not exist in heaven where God dwells. They exist in the sky we see.

...and I suppose paradise is also floating in the sky along with the angels that we can see...your beginning to sound like a JW

2 Corinthians 12
2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a man was caught up to the third heaven. 3 And I know how such a man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, God knows— 4 was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which a man is not permitted to speak.

 

[Mungo]

Okay I'll play stupid. If all good people are going to heaven, who will care for the Earth? which is why Gods created man. Who are the meek that will live on the Earth, and never know death? Those of you who believe good people (the bad will be dead) will go to heaven, are in fact saying Gods plan for man to care for the Earth did not work. Everything God does works. Nothing he does fails.
If all good people are in Heaven, what is God going to do, bus people to and from heaven every day to care for the Earth?
I know those of you who believe good people are going to Heaven, will never believe you are going to be on Earth in the Flesh, as God designed us for...and nothing anybody can say will be able to reason with you...so just believe your fairy tale, and let those of us who are stupid in your eyes, stay stupid.

Have fun where ever you think you're going. When you find yourselves on Paradise Earth, we stupid people will have to listen to you Heaven people forever saying, "No this is not Paradise, it's Heaven."

“His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence, by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, that through these you may escape from the corruption that is in the world because of passion, and become partakers of the divine nature.” (2Pet 1:3-4).

I'd rather be in heaven, partaking of the divine nature, in the very presence of God, than building barns and growing peas and beans if that's what you think eternity is about.

Then one of the elders addressed me, saying, "Who are these, clothed in white robes, and whence have they come?" I said to him, "Sir, you know." And he said to me, "These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night within his temple; and he who sits upon the throne will shelter them with his presence. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; the sun shall not strike them, nor any scorching heat. For the Lamb in the midst of the throne will be their shepherd, and he will guide them to springs of living water; and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes." (Rev 7:13-17)

But whatever floats your boat…

...and I suppose paradise is also floating in the sky along with the angels that we can see...your beginning to sound like a JW

2 Corinthians 12
2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a man was caught up to the third heaven. 3 And I know how such a man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, God knows— 4 was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which a man is not permitted to speak.

Paul was caught up to the third heaven.

The Jews thought there were three heavens, the first is the firmament of Gensis 1, the second outer space as far as it stretches, and the third Heaven where God dwells.

http://letusreason.org/Biblexp130.htm

...your beginning to sound like a JW

Arrrrrgh!

 

[Angelina]

Paul was caught up to the third heaven

I don't think he's talking about himself...I think he is talking about someone else like John....

The Jews thought there were three heavens, the first is the firmament of Gensis 1, the second outer space as far as it stretches, and the third Heaven where God dwells.

The bible clearly shows that there are more than one heaven...so why are you not believing it? and why are you arguing about Elijah floating around in the sky? Why can't you believe that he went to heaven where paradise is found?

Deuteronomy 10:14
Indeed heaven and the highest heavens belong to the Lord your God, also the earth with all that is in it.

2 Chronicles 6:18
18 “But will God indeed dwell with mankind on the earth? Behold, heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain You; how much less this house which I have built.

Ephesians 4.10
10 He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.

 

[domenic]

...and I suppose paradise is also floating in the sky along with the angels that we can see...your beginning to sound like a JW


I am not a JW, and I don't care if others don't like JW's, or that I sound like one. Paradise is were the Garden was...here on Earth. Heaven is not Paradise. Heaven is where God is, most of the time...it is where he lives.
I will say this for the JW's, they have more knowledge about the scriptures than any other religion, even though I believe they are a cult, and a false religion.
As to building Barns, and picking pee's, there is more to caring for the earth than that.
Like I said, nothing will change how most of you believe. I know you heaven going people all think you are correct, but you still have not explained how you justify saying Gods plan for man to live on the earth forever as care takers of the earth failed? And that is what you saying when you say, "All the good people are going to Heaven."
True, some people have gone to Heaven, and maybe some more will. We were designed to live on Earth. That was Gods plan, and what he does, will never fail.
Believe what you will.. So do I get banned because I don't agree with you?

 

[Angelina]

Yet the bible clearly shows that Paradise is in heaven 2 Corinthians 12:2, 3, 4 :)

 

[domenic]

Yet the bible clearly shows that Paradise is in heaven 2 Corinthians 12:2, 3, 4 :)

I agree it speaks of a third heaven. It does not say the human family is going there. Many things are called Paradise; even things here on earth this day are referred to as a place of paradise.
Jesus said, “I have many mansions.” was he speaking of Heavens, or dimensions? I don’t know.
I do know this much, God designed man to live on this Earth, and care for it for him. To say he has changed that plan, is to say God failed., and we can’t trust what he says. That is what Satan wants people to believe…that we can’t trust God…the same lie he told Eve.
Ps 37:11 says the meek will live on this Earth forever. That is the human family. Yes, some people have gone to Heaven, and yes, some others will…but that is a small number of people.
Religions that make claim the human family is going to heaven, are not telling the truth.
God has not failed, and we can trust what he says.
It’s not that hard to figure out;
Man was designed to live on earth forever; Gods plan.
The meek will live on earth forever: Those who have not died at Gods hand.
Gods works: NEVER FAIL. WE CAN TRUST HIM.
If anybody believes God had to change from man living on earth, to man having to go to Heaven, is saying, “Satan has the power to make God change his plans.
Think about it. Do you trust God, or what your religion teaches?

 

[Mungo]

I don't think he's talking about himself...I think he is talking about someone else like John....



The bible clearly shows that there are more than one heaven...so why are you not believing it? and why are you arguing about Elijah floating around in the sky? Why can't you believe that he went to heaven where paradise is found?


Deuteronomy 10:14
Indeed heaven and the highest heavens belong to the Lord your God, also the earth with all that is in it.

2 Chronicles 6:18
18 “But will God indeed dwell with mankind on the earth? Behold, heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain You; how much less this house which I have built.

Ephesians 4.10
10 He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.

I think threre may be a confusion over nomenclature here.

The Jews refer to three heavens.
1. The sky.
2. Outerspace.
3. The place where Gold dwells

When we see the word heaven in the Bible we need to discern which one is being referred to. In the case of Elijah I think it just means he disappeared out of sight, not that he went to the place where God dwells.

Christians, or at least Catholics, mean only one thing by heaven - the place where God dwells.

Yet the bible clearly shows that Paradise is in heaven 2 Corinthians 12:2, 3, 4 :)

I don't think it clealy shows that at ll. Your opinion there is highly disputable.

...and I suppose paradise is also floating in the sky along with the angels that we can see...your beginning to sound like a JW


I am not a JW, and I don't care if others don't like JW's, or that I sound like one.

So how would you describe yourself?
You seem to us the JW translation ahdn have many ideas in common with JWs

Think about it. Do you trust God, or what your religion teaches?

Same thing - or rather there is no conflict..

Well if you want to spend eternity growing and shelling peas then good luck to you.

I would rather be one of those who are
before the throne of God, and serve him day and night within his temple; and he who sits upon the throne will shelter them with his presence. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; the sun shall not strike them, nor any scorching heat. For the Lamb in the midst of the throne will be their shepherd, and he will guide them to springs of living water; and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes."
Sounds much better to me.

 

[ChurchAuthority]

Some believe, “When you die, you go to Heaven.” Others believe “if you were bad, you go to a Hell of Fire.”
Is one, or both of these two things true, or are they man made false doctrines?
Here are a few scriptures on the condition of the dead, taken from the Bible.
Ec 9:5, 10: Ps 146: 3, 4
John 11:11, 14
If your religion says you go to heaven, or hell when you die, or can talk to the dead…than either the Bible, or your religion is wrong.

St. Peter spoke of the ignorant and unstable who twist the Scriptures to their own destruction (2 Peter 3:16).

 

[domenic]

I think threre may be a confusion over nomenclature here.

The Jews refer to three heavens.
1. The sky.
2. Outerspace.
3. The place where Gold dwells

When we see the word heaven in the Bible we need to discern which one is being referred to. In the case of Elijah I think it just means he disappeared out of sight, not that he went to the place where God dwells.

Christians, or at least Catholics, mean only one thing by heaven - the place where God dwells.

Heaven to me, is where God dwells. Does that make me sound like a Catholic?I don't think it clealy shows that at ll. Your opinion there is highly disputable.

So how would you describe yourself?

A Christian. Not the best, but as good as I can do.



You seem to us the JW translation ahdn have many ideas in common with JWs

I Learned much from them...they don't have everything wrong. I even learned many good things when I was raised a Catholic.

Same thing - or rather there is no conflict..

Well if you want to spend eternity growing and shelling peas then good luck to you.

Whatever God want me to do, is what I want to do.

I would rather be one of those who are
before the throne of God, and serve him day and night within his temple; and he who sits upon the throne will shelter them with his presence. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; the sun shall not strike them, nor any scorching heat. For the Lamb in the midst of the throne will be their shepherd, and he will guide them to springs of living water; and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes."
Sounds much better to me.

St. Peter spoke of the ignorant and unstable who twist the Scriptures to their own destruction (2 Peter 3:16).

Where have I twisted scriptures? If your church says you go to Heaven, it is you who are twisting Gods word...IMO. God does not lie. When he does something, it does not fail.

 

[Angelina]

I agree it speaks of a third heaven. It does not say the human family is going there. Many things are called Paradise; even things here on earth this day are referred to as a place of paradise.

Well at least we agree on something domenic and that is a good start :)
Bless ya!

Mungo's quote

The Jews thought there were three heavens, the first is the firmament of Gensis 1, the second outer space as far as it stretches, and the third Heaven where God dwells.

1 Kings 8:27
“But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold, heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain You. How much less this temple which I have built.

1 Kings 22
19 Then Micaiah said, “Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on His throne, and all the host of heaven standing by, on His right hand and on His left. 20 And the Lord said, ‘Who will persuade Ahab to go up, that he may fall at Ramoth Gilead?’ So one spoke in this manner, and another spoke in that manner. 21 Then a spirit came forward and stood before the Lord, and said, ‘I will persuade him.’ 22 The Lord said to him, ‘In what way?’ So he said, ‘I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’ And the Lord said, ‘You shall persuade him, and also prevail. Go out and do so.’ 23 Therefore look! The Lord has put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these prophets of yours, and the Lord has declared disaster against you.”

2 Chronicles 6:18
“But will God indeed dwell with men on the earth? Behold, heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain You. How much less this temple which I have built!

2 Chronicles 18:18
Then Micaiah said, “Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on His throne, and all the host of heaven standing on His right hand and His left.

Nehemiah 9
You alone are the Lord; You have made heaven, The heaven of heavens, with all their host, The earth and everything on it,The seas and all that is in them, And You preserve them all. The host of heaven worships You.
7 “You are the Lord God, Who chose Abram, And brought him out of Ur of the Chaldeans, And gave him the name Abraham;

Job 11
“Can you search out the deep things of God? Can you find out the limits of the Almighty? 8 They are higher than heaven— what can you do?
Deeper than Sheol— what can you know? 9 Their measure is longer than the earth And broader than the sea.

Psalm 11:4
The Lord is in His holy temple, The Lord’s throne is in heaven;

Psalm 102
This will be written for the generation to come, That a people yet to be created may praise the Lord. 19 For He looked down from the height of His sanctuary; From heaven the Lord viewed the earth, 20 To hear the groaning of the prisoner, To release those appointed to death, 21 To declare the name of the Lord in Zion,And His praise in Jerusalem,

Psalm115
The heaven, even the heavens, are the Lord’s; But the earth He has given to the children of men. 17 The dead do not praise the Lord, Nor any who go down into silence. 18 But we will bless the Lord From this time forth and forevermore.

Matthew 8
11 And I say to you that many will come from east and west, and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” 13 Then Jesus said to the centurion, “Go your way; and as you have believed, so let it be done for you.” And his servant was healed that same hour.

Matthew 18:10
“Take heed that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you that in heaven their angels always see the face of My Father who is in heaven.

Matthew 22
29 Jesus answered and said to them, “You are mistaken, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven. 31 But concerning the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God, saying, 32 ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.” 33 And when the multitudes heard this, they were astonished at His teaching.

Matthew 23
21 He who swears by the temple, swears by it and by Him who dwells in it. 22 And he who swears by heaven, swears by the throne of God and by Him who sits on it.

Mark 1
9 It came to pass in those days that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized by John in the Jordan. 10 And immediately, coming up from the water, He saw the heavens parting and the Spirit descending upon Him like a dove. 11 Then a voice came from heaven, “You are My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”

Mark 16
19 So then, after the Lord had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God.

Luke 24
46 Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, 47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And you are witnesses of these things. 49 Behold, I send the Promise of My Father upon you; but tarry in the city of Jerusalem until you are endued with power from on high.”
50 And He led them out as far as Bethany, and He lifted up His hands and blessed them. 51 Now it came to pass, while He blessed them, that He was parted from them and carried up into heaven. 52 And they worshiped Him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy,

John 14
14 “Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God believe also in me. 2 My Father’s house has many rooms;[G3438] if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. 4 You know the way to the place where I am going.”

G3438 - monē rooms - mansions
From G3306; a staying, that is, residence (the act or the place): - abode, mansion.

Acts 7
54 When they heard these things they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed at him with their teeth. 55 But he, being full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God, 56 and said, “Look! I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!”

2 Corinthians 5:1
For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

Ephesians 4:10
He who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things.

Philippians 3
17 Brethren, join in following my example, and note those who so walk, as you have us for a pattern. 18 For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: 19 whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame—who set their mind on earthly things. 20 For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able even to subdue all things to Himself.

Hebrews 4
14 Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. 15 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

Hebrews 7
24 But He, because He continues forever, has an unchangeable priesthood. 25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
26 For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens; 27 who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people’s, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself.

Hebrews 9:24
For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us;

Note the verse below. These were those who lived by faith before Christ's work on the cross...

Hebrews 11:13
These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off were assured of them, embraced them and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
16But now they desire a better, that is, a heavenly country. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.
39 And all these, having obtained a good testimony through faith, did not receive the promise, 40 God having provided something better for us, that they should not be made perfect apart from us.

Revelation 13:6
Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven.

and I believe them... :) as I believe the bible, " for it is written by men, inspired by God".