Can God not save souls, before, during and after the Tribulation?

[ScottA]

Hi there!

Just a simple thought for you: can God not save souls, before, during and after the Tribulation?

My reasoning is simple, God did not create Creation, just to destroy it (but to transition it, from unbelief to faith); therefore, there will be times when Creation experiences Tribulation and times when it does not.

If God is able to allow for Tribulation, then His Spirit must also work, to deliver us from it.

God does not need to do this early or as it happens or late, He can do all of that!

The stone of Tribulation (metaphorically speaking), must be thrown down, as any other stone of the Temple (as Jesus said "not one stone shall be left that shall not be thrown down" gospels from memory).

There is no greater tribulation than that experienced in the life of every person, except One.

 

[Davy]

I just wonder if you have oil for your lamp and your lamp burning, if you think God picks and chooses when He will save (and when He will not).

I should forgive, I think, but I am interested in where this blinkered view of God comes from?

It's not that I hate separation from God, Jesus told us there would be times when we would not be able to find Him, it's just that telling people to be in terror of God's Judgment is disingenuous?

So you instead of keeping His Word, you'd rather make up your own, which is what men's doctrines do?

You should study Christ's parables in Matthew 13, especially when His disciples asked Him why He spoke to the multitudes in parables...


Matt 13:10-16
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, "Why speakest thou unto them in parables?"

11 He answered and said unto them, "Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, 'By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:'

15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
KJV


The fact... that God has closed off the Truth in His Word to some, while others He has opened up understanding with eyes to see, and ears to hear, is not a doctrine of men. It is God's Word as written. So whether or not you agree, it is not up for debate, otherwise you go against God's Will.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Yet there are no scriptures showing this taking place during the trib. The saints enter the trib as saints.

That's not scripture.

A great example would be the 144k who are sealed before the trib starts, and of course the two witnesses are Christians before the trib starts as well. The last verse of Rev 12 says the trib is a war against Christians so they are Christians prior to the start of the trib. What isn't found are any Christian converts during the trib and of course there is never a rapture of Christians before the trib starts.

 

[Lordsflower]

I disagree.

Ty, LF.

You're most welcome.

 

[BlessedPeace]

You're most welcome.

Revelation 7
13Then one of the elders addressed me: “These in white robes,” he asked, “who are they, and where have they come from?”

14“Sir,” I answered, “you know.”

So he replied, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15For this reason,

they are before the throne of God

and serve Him day and night in His temple;

and the One seated on the throne

will spread His tabernacle over them.

16‘Never again will they hunger,

and never will they thirst;

nor will the sun beat down upon them,

nor any scorching heat.’a

17For the Lamb in the center of the throne

will be their shepherd.b

‘He will lead them to springs of living water,’c

and ‘God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.’d”

 

[Lordsflower]

Revelation 7
13Then one of the elders addressed me: “These in white robes,” he asked, “who are they, and where have they come from?”

14“Sir,” I answered, “you know.”

So he replied, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15For this reason,

they are before the throne of God

and serve Him day and night in His temple;

and the One seated on the throne

will spread His tabernacle over them.

16‘Never again will they hunger,

and never will they thirst;

nor will the sun beat down upon them,

nor any scorching heat.’a

17For the Lamb in the center of the throne

will be their shepherd.b

‘He will lead them to springs of living water,’c

and ‘God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.’d”

Yes,that's it.
These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

 

[Gottservant]

I just want to add something else I learned: the earlier you are raptured, the greater your rapture.

The point is, don't wait!

 

[quietthinker]

Can God not save souls, before, during and after the Tribulation?​

Longsuffering means never giving up. It is us (humans) who give up.
God is in the saving business. If he wasn't we (humans) would have ceased to exist long ago.

As an example; Noah was clear when he told the antediluvians a flood of unprecedented proportions was coming. He invited them into a safe zone (the Ark)....that was its purpose. Even seeing the animals lining up, did not persuade them.

 

[Taken]

Can God not save souls, before, during and after the Tribulation?

Bodily deaths have occurred for centuries.

Souls Are ONLY SAVED… AFTER an “acceptable” Bodily Death has occurred.

The caveat…”acceptable”….IS: an individual freely giving his body “unto death”…
By, through, of Gods Order and way…provided for men to become…CRUCIFIED with Jesus’ Body….and occupy Jesus’ risen Body….(until their own body physically Dies)….ie…they are call “IN” Christ….because they occupy His Risen body.

God CAN and WILL save souls…Before and During the tribulations sent from Heaven.
“During”…the body’s SHALL experience physical death…called …martyrdom.

AFTER the tribulation…..the 1,000 yr reign…OVER the entire world.

Mortals still exist…Having…
* Believed….but did not DIE during the Trib.
* Believed….but did not Convert…IN Christ.

They repopulate the earth…
They begin…being believers.
As towns, cities, nations become established, AND men begin to prosper…wealth increases…needs met…wants met…the NEED…the DESIRE…the EFFORT to maintain allegiance to their Lord and King Jesus….they begin to faulter, put off, not consider, ignore…
SO…some from that early group…shall be soul saved….(resurrected in the first mass resurrection)….and some (likely most or all) nearing the 1,000 year mark Jesus’ reign…will not be soul saved..THEY will be bodily killed…the mortal men will cease to exist.

Nothing new regarding mortal man…history repeats…Mortal man…imbalance….hard life, seeks God…cushy life, rejects God.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Davy]

Yet there are no scriptures showing this taking place during the trib. The saints enter the trib as saints. A great example would be the 144k who are sealed before the trib starts, and of course the two witnesses are Christians before the trib starts as well. The last verse of Rev 12 says the trib is a war against Christians so they are Christians prior to the start of the trib. What isn't found are any Christian converts during the trib and of course there is never a rapture of Christians before the trib starts.

Very correct.

The prophecy Jesus showed about deceived Jews in Jerusalem for the end shows they won't know the Truth about Jesus until they see Him coming in the clouds. And at that time they will wish for the mountains to fall on them, and for the hills to "Cover us", pointing to their shame (Luke 23:27-30). Apostle Paul also showed in Romans 11 that his Jewish brethren that God blinded away from The Gospel will have their blindness removed with the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. That will only happen when Jesus returns.

Thus God's Word reveals that however one believes going into the "great tribulation" will be how they will remain throughout it until Jesus comes and they are shown the Truth.

The idea of 'tribulation saints', is a theory started by those on man's false pre-trib rapture theory, like John Darby in 1800's Great Britain. It's a theory that some will convert to Jesus during the great tribulation, which idea is nowhere written in God's Word, but just the opposite idea is written instead.

 

[Gottservant]

Sadly, there will be people that lose faith, when they are told "God may not care about you, as much as others"

Clearly, that's the Devil!