Born again believers are NOT appointed to God's wrath ( the great tribulation )

[grafted branch]

That's what you would say, but it's not what scripture says. The new, heavenly Jerusalem is not a place in the NHNE, it's a symbolic description of the church. It is described as "the bride, the Lamb's wife" (Rev 21:9). Yes, we are part of it even now, but we're still waiting for the time when Jesus comes from heaven and eliminates death, crying, sorrow and pain from the earth forever.


Yet, the new heavens and new earth are not ushered in until the old heaven and earth are passed away (Rev 21:1), so you can't call the heavenly Jerusalem that we come to spiritually now the new heavens and new earth or say that it's in the NHNE since the old heaven and earth are still here and have not yet passed away.

Well we are going to be in disagreement on this, I see myself currently in the NHNE, spiritually that is.

Let me ask you this, in the Amil millennium those that live and reign with Christ, do they experience crying, sorrow, and pain? Obviously we all physically experience these things but those that live and reign with Christ aren’t doing so in a physical manner, they aren’t physically in heaven at the right hand of God. I know the second death is eliminated for them but spiritually speaking, do they experience crying, sorrow, and pain?

 

[Scott Downey]

Well we are going to be in disagreement on this, I see myself currently in the NHNE, spiritually that is.

Let me ask you this, in the Amil millennium those that live and reign with Christ, do they experience crying, sorrow, and pain? Obviously we all physically experience these things but those that live and reign with Christ aren’t doing so in a physical manner, they aren’t physically in heaven at the right hand of God. I know the second death is eliminated for them but spiritually speaking, do they experience crying, sorrow, and pain?

Since the 'millennial reign' is in heaven not on earth, I don't see they could experience the sorrows and lie of the world.
They are removed from that, unless maybe they feel for the people on the earth in some fashion. Maybe their friends and relatives?
Such is pure speculation, can people in heaven see what is going on down on the earth?

Revelation 19 implies they will know something

Heaven Exults over Babylon​

1 After these things I [a]heard a loud voice of a great multitude in heaven, saying, “Alleluia! Salvation and glory and honor and power belong to [b]the Lord our God! 2 For true and righteous are His judgments, because He has judged the great harlot who corrupted the earth with her fornication; and He has avenged on her the blood of His servants shed by her.” 3 Again they said, “Alleluia! Her smoke rises up forever and ever!” 4 And the twenty-four elders and the four living creatures fell down and worshiped God who sat on the throne, saying, “Amen! Alleluia!” 5 Then a voice came from the throne, saying, “Praise our God, all you His servants and those who fear Him, both[c] small and great!”

6 And I heard, as it were, the voice of a great multitude, as the sound of many waters and as the sound of mighty thunderings, saying, “Alleluia! For the[d] Lord God Omnipotent reigns! 7 Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.” 8 And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.

 

[grafted branch]

Since the 'millennial reign' is in heaven not on earth, I don't see they could experience the sorrows and lie of the world.
They are removed from that, unless maybe they feel for the people on the earth in some fashion. Maybe their friends and relatives?
Such is pure speculation, can people in heaven see what is going on down on the earth?

Revelation 19 implies they will know something

Heaven Exults over Babylon​

1 After these things I [a]heard a loud voice of a great multitude in heaven, saying, “Alleluia! Salvation and glory and honor and power belong to [b]the Lord our God! 2 For true and righteous are His judgments, because He has judged the great harlot who corrupted the earth with her fornication; and He has avenged on her the blood of His servants shed by her.” 3 Again they said, “Alleluia! Her smoke rises up forever and ever!” 4 And the twenty-four elders and the four living creatures fell down and worshiped God who sat on the throne, saying, “Amen! Alleluia!” 5 Then a voice came from the throne, saying, “Praise our God, all you His servants and those who fear Him, both[c] small and great!”

6 And I heard, as it were, the voice of a great multitude, as the sound of many waters and as the sound of mighty thunderings, saying, “Alleluia! For the[d] Lord God Omnipotent reigns! 7 Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.” 8 And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.

I would tend to agree that no sorrow or pain would occur in heaven, I think all the same attributes of NHNE are currently occurring spiritually but I’m not sure all those who hold an Amil view would agree.

I’m curious as to what verses would be used to argue for sorrow and pain currently occurring for those who live and reign with Christ.

 

[Scott Downey]

I would tend to agree that no sorrow or pain would occur in heaven, I think all the same attributes of NHNE are currently occurring spiritually but I’m not sure all those who hold an Amil view would agree.

I’m curious as to what verses would be used to argue for sorrow and pain currently occurring for those who live and reign with Christ.

Rev 6​

Fifth Seal: The Cry of the Martyrs​

9 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” 11 Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed

 

[grafted branch]

Rev 6​

Fifth Seal: The Cry of the Martyrs​

9 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” 11 Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed

That could be used as an example but I would say the fifth seal martyrs was a one time event that occurred when the Old Testament believers left Sheol.

Currently no one who gets martyred needs to ask the question of how long. We all have already read Revelation 6 and we all already know the answer to that question, it is given in verse 11. In fact, if a person who currently is martyred would ask that question it would be like asking Jesus where He was born or who His mother was. It would almost be an insult or similar to some of the questions the scribes and Pharisees asked.

 

[MA2444]

John 16:33
These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

Matthew 24:21-22
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened..../KJV

I guess what you are not seeing is that everyone has tribulations in the world such as is common to man. You made that pont very well.

Is this the worst you think that it gets? In Matthew 24 it talks about great tribulation, such as whas not since the beginning of the world. This is clearly different than those tribulations that are common to all men. That is what we are promised to not go through. So he raptures us out before it begins.

Keep studying though!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Well we are going to be in disagreement on this, I see myself currently in the NHNE, spiritually that is.

There is no scripture which states that we are currently in the NHNE spiritually. We will not be in the NHNE in any way, shape or form until the first (current) heaven and earth have passed away.

Revelation 21:1 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.

Let me ask you this, in the Amil millennium those that live and reign with Christ, do they experience crying, sorrow, and pain?

No, but they are in heaven, not the new heaven and new earth. Revelation 21:4 is talking about there literally being no death, crying, sorrow or pain...anywhere. That verse references this passage:

Isaiah 25:8 On this mountain he will destroy the shroud that enfolds all peoples, the sheet that covers all nations; 8 he will swallow up death forever. The Sovereign Lord will wipe away the tears from all faces; he will remove his people’s disgrace from all the earth.
The Lord has spoken.

Revelation 21:4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’ or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

Paul also referenced Isaiah 25:8.

1 Corinthians 15:50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”

Do you think the last trumpet has already sounded and that death has already been swallowed up in victory? If not, then you should not think that Revelation 21:4 (and the prophecy it references, Isaiah 25:8) has been fulfilled (or is being fulfilled) yet.

Obviously we all physically experience these things but those that live and reign with Christ aren’t doing so in a physical manner, they aren’t physically in heaven at the right hand of God. I know the second death is eliminated for them but spiritually speaking, do they experience crying, sorrow, and pain?

I can't pretend to know what it is like for them exactly, but Revelation 21:4 is not referring to how things are in heaven, it's referring to how things will be in the new heaven and new earth after this current heaven and earth pass away.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Matthew 24:21-22
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened..../KJV

I guess what you are not seeing is that everyone has tribulations in the world such as is common to man. You made that pont very well.

Is this the worst you think that it gets? In Matthew 24 it talks about great tribulation, such as whas not since the beginning of the world. This is clearly different than those tribulations that are common to all men. That is what we are promised to not go through. So he raptures us out before it begins.

Keep studying though!

What is your understanding of what exactly "we are promised to not go through"? Would you agree that what we will "not go through" (escape) is what unbelievers will not escape? How do you interpret this passage:

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

Would you agree that this passage talks about what we will not go through and will instead escape? Those in spiritual darkness "shall not escape" the "sudden destruction" that will occur on the day when the Lord comes as a thief in the night. But, we will escape it if we are found worthy, right (Luke 21:34-36)? So, what is your understanding of what the "sudden destruction" that believers will escape and unbelievers will not escape entails?

My understanding comes from what Peter wrote about the same event.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

So, what is it that will cause the "sudden destruction" from which those in spiritual darkness "shall not escape" on the day when the Lord comes as a thief in the night? According to Peter, it will be fire that comes down on the entire earth.

 

[Scott Downey]

That could be used as an example but I would say the fifth seal martyrs was a one time event that occurred when the Old Testament believers left Sheol.

Currently no one who gets martyred needs to ask the question of how long. We all have already read Revelation 6 and we all already know the answer to that question, it is given in verse 11. In fact, if a person who currently is martyred would ask that question it would be like asking Jesus where He was born or who His mother was. It would almost be an insult or similar to some of the questions the scribes and Pharisees asked.

It just shows you people in heaven who are experiencing trauma from being martyred whom God comforts telling them to be patient.
And that the end is not yet, more martyrs are on the way.

That they are with Him under the throne means absolutely no one can get to them they are like the story Christ says of the chicks, totally immune to attack.

Matthew 23:27
"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!

 

[covenantee]

Matthew 24:21-22
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened..../KJV

I guess what you are not seeing is that everyone has tribulations in the world such as is common to man. You made that pont very well.

Is this the worst you think that it gets? In Matthew 24 it talks about great tribulation, such as whas not since the beginning of the world. This is clearly different than those tribulations that are common to all men. That is what we are promised to not go through. So he raptures us out before it begins.

Keep studying though!

Matthew 24
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

When was then?

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Prior to 70 AD, the Judaean Christians remembered Jesus' warning, recognized that when was then, fled into the mountains when they saw the holy city Jerusalem being encircled by the abomination of desolation (the Roman armies (Luke 21:20)), and escaped the great tribulation which then ensued in 70 AD.

Don't flunk your Bible history course.

 

[ewq1938]

What is the overall order? Is it the tares getting gathered first or is it the dead in Christ that rise first? It doesn’t seem like they can both be about the same event if we have two different things happening first, but I suppose they could happen simultaneously.

Ok, so what is the overall order of things when you include both the saved and unsaved? Keeping in mind Matthew 13:30 where the tares are gathered first.

At the second coming the saved are gathered first, and the unsaved are left to suffer God's wrath.

On Judgment day, which is later, the order is reverse where the unsaved/tares are gathered first for judgment and punishment, and the saved then enter into the eternal age and NHNE.

 

[ewq1938]

Well there would be a need for healing “in” (I really should’ve said during instead of in) the NHNE if it is a place that is accessible to believers while the old heaven old earth still exist.

Could it be something like this: In the mortal flesh we get sick and we eventually heal. Let's pretend 1-10 where 1 is very sick and 10 is healthy. You go from sick to well, so at a 10 but what if you could take the leaves of the tree of life and go from 10 to 11? It's a type of healing but different than we understand now. And, what if we heal up a level every month in the eternity? So, we could heal up a level for ever. Either that, or there is sickness and injury in the eternity for immortal beings who would need to be healed but that doesn't make much sense.

 

[Brakelite]

Tribulation is not the wrath of God... final plagues. We are all appointed to go through tribulation, and many will suffer and even die at the hands of Christ's enemies. But immediately before the second coming, the final plagues will come to destroy the wicked. Those of the children of God who remain will be as Israel during the plagues of Egypt, protected and untouched until taken to the promised land. We will all be witnesses to the justice and mercy of God. Justice to those who refused to accept Christ and repent, mercy to those who did.

 

[ewq1938]

Since the 'millennial reign' is in heaven not on earth

That reign is on the Earth because it is a reign/rule over mortal nations after Armageddon is over.

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite (Aorist tense verb with PRESENT tense meaning) the nations: and he shall rule (FUTURE tense verb) them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth (PRESENT tense verb) the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

https://www.blueletterbible .org/kjv/rev/19/15/t_conc_1186015

https://biblehub .com/interlinear/revelation/19-15.htm

(remove the spaces before .com and .org in the two links)


Here rule/poimaino is in the FUTURE tense meaning it will happen at some point AFTER the second coming and battle of Armageddon while treadeth/pateo is written in the PRESENT tense meaning it is happening during this second coming. The treading and smiting are happening at Armageddon but not the ruling which proves some mortals will be alive after Armageddon is over. This proves the Premill position because indeed there is a future rule of people who were not slain during the second coming that Christ and his saints will rule over.

A second witness to this:

Rev 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

That is the second coming. Everything we read of next comes after the second coming:

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

After "the end" comes, there is given power over the nations to those that are overcomers. They will be given power over the mortal unsaved nations after Christ has returned not before it.

 

[CTK]

Could it be something like this: In the mortal flesh we get sick and we eventually heal. Let's pretend 1-10 where 1 is very sick and 10 is healthy. You go from sick to well, so at a 10 but what if you could take the leaves of the tree of life and go from 10 to 11? It's a type of healing but different than we understand now. And, what if we heal up a level every month in the eternity? So, we could heal up a level for ever. Either that, or there is sickness and injury in the eternity for immortal beings who would need to be healed but that doesn't make much sense.

For what it is worth:

Event	Scripture	Timing
Jesus returns to gather the elect and destroy the wicked	Rev. 1:7, Rev. 14:14-16, Rev. 19:11-21	Second Coming
The Millennium (1,000 years) begins	Rev. 20:1-6	After Christ's Return
Satan is bound; the righteous reign with Christ	Rev. 20:1-3	During the Millennium
The wicked remain dead until after the Millennium	Rev. 20:5	During the Millennium
Satan is released; final rebellion occurs	Rev. 20:7-10	End of the Millennium
Satan and the wicked are destroyed by fire from God	Rev. 20:9-10	Final Judgment Begins
The Great White Throne Judgment – The wicked are resurrected & judged	Rev. 20:11-15	After the Millennium
Death and Hades cast into the lake of fire (Second Death)	Rev. 20:14	Final Destruction

 

[ewq1938]

For what it is worth:

Event	Scripture	Timing
Jesus returns to gather the elect and destroy the wicked	Rev. 1:7, Rev. 14:14-16, Rev. 19:11-21	Second Coming
The Millennium (1,000 years) begins	Rev. 20:1-6	After Christ's Return
Satan is bound; the righteous reign with Christ	Rev. 20:1-3	During the Millennium
The wicked remain dead until after the Millennium	Rev. 20:5	During the Millennium
Satan is released; final rebellion occurs	Rev. 20:7-10	End of the Millennium
Satan and the wicked are destroyed by fire from God	Rev. 20:9-10	Final Judgment Begins
The Great White Throne Judgment – The wicked are resurrected & judged	Rev. 20:11-15	After the Millennium
Death and Hades cast into the lake of fire (Second Death)	Rev. 20:14	Final Destruction

It's partially wrong because it results in the wicked dying 3 times when there are only two deaths. Christ kills some of the wicked at his return, mainly the armies but does not target the civilians. The Mill is about reigning over the living unsaved. Some unsaved will be dead in hades, while some will be mortally alive in the MIll. The resurrection of the unsaved does not happen in satan's little season. The people he deceives to join his army are alive, not yet having died or having a resurrection.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

That reign is on the Earth because it is a reign/rule over mortal nations after Armageddon is over.

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite (Aorist tense verb with PRESENT tense meaning) the nations: and he shall rule (FUTURE tense verb) them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth (PRESENT tense verb) the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Are you trying to claim that He is currently smiting the nations and treading the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God? I doubt that. I'm sure you understand that will happen in the future, so I'm not seeing your point here with this present tense stuff. Also, it says in Psalm 2:7-9 that He will break (destroy) them with a rod if iron which goes along with the idea of Him smiting them and treading them in the winepress of the wrath of God.

Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. 8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. 9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

This doesn't look like a description of Jesus ruling over anyone for a thousand years. It refers to Him breaking/destroying them with a rod of iron. Again, that goes along with the descriptions of Him smiting them and treading them in the winepress of the wrath of God that we see in Revelation 19:15. He is going to take vengeance on His enemies and destroy them when He returns (2 Thess 1:7-10), not rule over them for a thousand years.

 

[Davy]

Let me ask you this then, what are you doing with a verse such as Ezekiel 37:26? What sanctuary is set in the midst of them forevermore?

Ezekiel 37:26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.

What does Revelation 21:22 show is the "temple" thereafter?

Rev 21:22
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
KJV

There's that "sanctuary" that will be in the midst for evermore, represented by The Father and The Son.

It must be remembered when studying the Old Testament prophets, that they were not privy to all things given in The New Covenant which the New Testament Books reveal. And likewise, there are details first given in the Old Testament Books that are only hinted at in the New Testament Books. I'm thinking our Heavenly Father did this on purpose, to see who would stay in His Word and study, like Paul said to Timothy to become a workman in God's Word so as to be approved of God, and not be found in shame.

Matt 13:51-52
51 Jesus saith unto them, "Have ye understood all these things?" They say unto Him, "Yea, Lord."
52 Then said He unto them, "Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old."
KJV


For example, Ezekiel 44 mentions the idea of animal sacrifices for the future Millennium, but Jesus Christ became the one Perfect Sacrifice for all time (Hebrews 10:12). Yet Ezekiel lived in a time under the old covenant when animal sacrifices were still required. So what do we do with that, since it's obvious those Ezekiel 40 thru 48 chapters are pointing to future prophetic events? We must weigh them under the New Covenant Scriptures. Thus Scripture like Hebrews 10:12 updates the meaning of that idea of animal sacrifices Ezekiel spoke of in Ezekiel 44. According to Hebrews 13:15-16, our sacrifices of praise to God replaced those old animal sacrifices (and of course by Christ's Sacrifice on His cross as the source of the update.)

Yet I know some brethren that simply pass off those Ezekiel 40 thru 48 chapters as past history, wrongly assuming that was about one of the earlier existing Israelite temples in Jerusalem, when none of the past Israelite temples even fit that Ezekiel 40 - 47 layout. Those brethren obviously failed to pass God's test in the Book of Ezekiel about those Millennial chapters of an existing literal "sanctuary" on earth that Jesus will build when He comes.

And didn't you also forget the Zechariah 6 prophecy about Jesus as that "BRANCH" which says He will build the temple when He comes to sit upon His throne of inheritance, i.e., David's throne? That's about that literal Millennial "sanctuary" of Ezekiel 40 - 47.

Then there is the direct parallel in Ezekiel 47 about the return of God's River of Genesis 2 that was once upon this earth, and the many trees on either side of it as the Tree of Life, which is linked to the River of the Waters of Life and Tree of Life of Revelation 22. In Ezekiel 47, with that River upon this earth flows out from the Millennial "sanctuary" as written there. Revelation 22 does not reveal that part, so what are we to do, just scrap... that Ezek.47 chapter as if it never existed?

 

[TribulationSigns]

Corrections by TribulationSigns:

Event	Scripture	Timing
Jesus returns to gather the elect and destroy the wicked	Rev. 1:7, Rev. 14:14-16, Rev. 19:11-21	Second Coming
The Millennium (1,000 years) begins	Rev. 20:1-6	At the Cross
Satan is bound; the righteous reign with Christ	Rev. 20:1-3	At the Cross until all Elect are secured through the witnessing of Two Witnesses
The wicked remain dead until after the Millennium	Rev. 20:5	During the Millennium until the Second Coming when all the wicked will hear the shout of the lamb for second resurrection and judgment.
Satan is released; final rebellion occurs	Rev. 20:7-10	After the building of the church is finished, Satan will be loosened for a short season at the end of millennial kingdom. It will be a great tribulation "FOR" the Saints during that time then the judgment (wrath of God) upon His unfaithful church before the Second Coming.
Satan and the wicked are destroyed by fire from God	Rev. 20:9-10	At the Second Coming when the White Throne Judgment actually begins
The Great White Throne Judgment – The wicked are resurrected & judged	Rev. 20:11-15	At the Second Coming
Death and Hades cast into the lake of fire (Second Death)	Rev. 20:14	At the Second Coming

There won't be a time for so-called 7 years of great tribulation or a literal 1,000-year millennial kingdom after the Second Coming.

 

[Davy]

There won't be a time for so-called 7 years of great tribulation or a literal 1,000-year millennial kingdom after the Second Coming.

Yes there will... be a "thousand years" reign over the nations by Christ Jesus and His faithful elect starting on the day of His future coming. The thousand years of Rev.20 is meant literally.