Biblical Mary

[Mungo]

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Transliteration
dāḡôn
Pronunciation
daw-gohn'

Part of Speech
proper masculine noun
Root Word (Etymology)
From דָּג (H1709)
KJV Translation Count — Total: 13x
The KJV translates Strong's H1712 in the following manner: Dagon (13x).
Outline of Biblical Usage H1709; the fish-god; Dagon, a Philistine deity:—Dagon.
Brown-Driver-Briggs Lexicon 1 Samuel 5:4 god & idol of Philistines (compare Assyrian Dagan, Dakan(nu), name perhaps non-Shemitic COT Judges 16:23 DlPa 139 SayceRel. Babylonian 188 f. but see Jen below) **oldest tradition (Jerome) seems to waver between דָּג fish and דָּגָן grain, as explanation of דָּגוֺן, see בית. — god of Ashdod, except Judges 16:23 (Gaza) & 1 Chronicles 10:10 (but compare below); — דגון אֱלֹהֵיהֶם Judges 16:23 compare דגון אֱלֹהֵינוּ 1 Samuel 5:7, בֵּית ד׳ 1 Samuel 5:2, 5; 1 Chronicles 10:10 (here hardly original compare || 1 Samuel 31:10 & We Dr); כֹּהֲנֵי ד׳ 1 Samuel 5:5, מִפְתַּן ד׳ 1 Samuel 5:5; as name of image (אֵצֶל) ד׳ 1 Samuel 5:2; 1 Samuel 5:3; 1 Samuel 5:4, דגון נֹפֵל 1 Samuel 5:3; 1 Samuel 5:4, נִשְׁאַר עָלָיו רַק ד׳ 1 Samuel 5:4 (but sense difficult; We proposes דָּגוֺ only his fish, i.e. fishy part, was left upon him, see also Dr; — but was Dagon a fish-god ? compare works cited above & ScholzG-tzendienst 238 ff., Baud in PRE2iii. 460 ff. especially JenKosmol. 449 ff.) see בֵּית דָּגוֺן p. III.
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16:23; 16:23; 16:23

1 Samuel

5:2; 5:2; 5:3; 5:3; 5:4; 5:4; 5:4; 5:4; 5:5; 5:5; 5:5; 5:7; 31:10

1 Chronicles

10:10; 10:10

Gesenius' Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon [?]

I've shown you time and time again you are wrong.
I'm not wasting any more time on your fantasies.
I have better things to do

 

[Taken]

I've shown you time and time again you are wrong.
I'm not wasting any more time on your fantasies.
I have better things to do

prevaricating.

 

[Taken]

so you agree with mother of our salvation?

prevaricating

 

[Taken]

Prevaricating again.

When you have a straight answer come back and I will look at it.

Prevaricating.

 

[Taken]

Prevaricating again.

When you have a straight answer come back and I will look at it.

prevaricating

 

[Taken]

The woman of Revelation 12 could refer to the children of Israel.

The Woman refers to the 12 Tribes;
Israel.

 

[Taken]

So you are saying that John's vision of Mary in Rev. 12 expressed in goddess imagery is an act of idolatry.

John had a vision of Mary, and forgot to mention he had a vision of Mary?

 

[theefaith]

The reality is that seeing that the real Mary's body is in the grave and her spirit is with the departed godly in Paradise, the "Mary" that is being reverenced as the Queen of Heaven is actually an idol. Paul says in 1 Corinthians 10 that those who give reverence to idols are actually serving demons. This puts a serious light on the Mary worshipers, because if they are actually worshiping a demon, then one has to doubt whether they have any fellowship with Christ at all.

Its automatic!
A fundamentalist is blind!

mary = idol
Mother of God = worship
The saints are dead

it automatic

cant mean anything else

Mary is the true queen of heaven
In heaven body and soul
Glorious mother of God and mother of our salvation
And our mother
The devil seeks to destroy souls by destroying devotion to Mary the mother of divine grace!

 

[theefaith]

prevaricating

you said mother of Jesus?

that is mother of our salvation right?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Why, then, was it necessary to say, "But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother?" - Galatians 1:19

I don't understand what is so special about this sentence:
Gal. 1:19 (ESV)
But I saw none of the other apostles except James the Lord’s brother.

Paul is simply stating that the only Apostle he saw was James, Jesus' "brother".

We already kow that this James (James the Less) is the son of Alphaeus, also known as Clopas (Luke 6:15).
We ALSO know that his mother was the "sister" (Adelphe) of Mary, mother of Jesus (Matt. 27:56, Mark 15:40, John 19:25).
Now - she isn't the uterine sister of Mary, because her name is ALSO "Mary" (John 18:25). She was, therefore, some other relation.

So, there you have it: James the Less is the son of Mary, cousin(?) of the mother of Jesus.
That's why he is called Jesus's "Adelphos" in Gal. 1: 19 and elsewhere.

Finally - WHEN did Protestants start rejecting the idea that Mary was a perpetual virgin - because ALL of your Protestant Fathers believed that she was?

 

[BreadOfLife]

@rockytopva . . .

When did Protestantism begin to reject the truth about Mary that was held by the "Reformers"??

Martin Luther
According to His humanity, He, Christ, our Savior, was the real and natural fruit of Mary’s virginal womb . . . This was without the co-operation of a man, and she remained a virgin after that.
(Sermons on the Gospel of St. John [1537-1540]; chapter one; Luther’s Works: vol. 22, p. 23; translated by Martin H. Bertram)

Ulrich Zwingili
“I firmly believe that Mary, according to the words of the gospel as a pure Virgin brought forth for us the Son of God and in childbirth and after childbirth forever remained a pure, intact Virgin.”
(Zwingli Opera, Corpus Reformatorum, Berlin, 1905, v. 1, p. 424.)

John Calvin
Helvidius displayed excessive ignorance in concluding that Mary must have had many sons, because Christ’s “brothers” are sometimes mentioned. (Harmony of Matthew, Mark and Luke, sec. 39 [Geneva, 1562], vol. 2 / From Calvin’s Commentaries, translated by William Pringle, Grand Rapids, Michigan: Eerdmans, 1949, p.215; on Matthew 13:55)

Heinrich Bullinger:
Bullinger wrote the Second Helvetic Confession in 1562. In its Chapter XI, it refers to “the ever virgin Mary” and “the Virgin Mary.” In Chapter III it mentions “the Blessed Virgin.”

John Wesley:
. . . the blessed Virgin, who, as well after as she brought him forth, continued a pure and unspotted virgin.
(Letter to a Roman Catholic, quoted in A. C. Coulter, John Wesley, New York: Oxford University Press, 1964, 495)

 

[theefaith]

Good question but I don’t agree with them being even called reformers, the problem came in with the fundamentalist rigorists and Pentecostals puritanical blindness

 

[Taken]

Biblical Mary
^ OP

Honor unto the Lord;
Mary of Bethany used very costly oil to anoint Lord Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair.
John 12:3

 

[theefaith]

Biblical Mary
^ OP

Honor unto the Lord;
Mary of Bethany used very costly oil to anoint Lord Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair.
John 12:3

so you agree Mary is the mother of divine grace and our salvation?

 

[Mungo]

The Woman refers to the 12 Tribes;
Israel.

The Woman refers primarily to Mary.

 

[Taken]

The Woman refers primarily to Mary.

Spiritual understanding;
The woman, she, her, country, nation; Israel

Earthly Carnal mindedness;
Human woman.

 

[Mungo]

Spiritual understanding;
The woman, she, her, country, nation; Israel

Earthly Carnal mindedness;
Human woman.

Biblical understanding - the woman is primarily Mary.
Blinkered understanding -the woman just represents Israel.

 

[Mungo]

John had a vision of Mary, and forgot to mention he had a vision of Mary?

He told us she was Mary if you have a Biblical understanding.

 

[Taken]

Biblical understanding - the woman is primarily Mary.
Blinkered understanding -the woman just represents Israel.

Carnal minded response.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The reality is that seeing that the real Mary's body is in the grave and her spirit is with the departed godly in Paradise, the "Mary" that is being reverenced as the Queen of Heaven is actually an idol. Paul says in 1 Corinthians 10 that those who give reverence to idols are actually serving demons. This puts a serious light on the Mary worshipers, because if they are actually worshiping a demon, then one has to doubt whether they have any fellowship with Christ at all.

Yes the subject of Mary is thorny with strong Catholics. so much of Romanism is tied into Mary. In my region of the country, there are more catholic churches dedicated to Mary than to Jesus. Mary is a blessed woman, among not above women. Though they say they do not worship Mary, it has all the elements of worship- so what is the difference.