Another Premillennial absurdity

[WPM]

1,000 years of a perfect earth with a perfect population, minus a few people who listen to Satan at the end, will be presented at the end of current creation.

3 different presentations are mentioned. Jesus Christ reigned from Adam to the Cross, no? Why not? You think He only reigned after the Cross? Are you not limiting Christ as King in your narrow view of eschatology? Jesus will have reigned for 8,000 years, but to you only about 2,000 years.

Really? Where in Revelation 20 does it say it will be "a perfect earth with a perfect population"?
Where in Revelation 20 does it say only "a few people who listen to Satan at the end"?

This is a total misrepresentation of Revelation 20!

 

[Truth7t7]

Do you not think that it has been 1992 years between the Cross and the Second Coming? Why did Paul not claim 2,000 years in the verse? Paul does not have to say 1,000 years between the Second Coming and the end. John told us that amount of time.

Paul thought he would still be alive at the Second Coming. Obviously that did not happen. There is a gap between the Cross and the Second Coming. There is a gap between the Second Coming and the end.

You don't even accept that the OT redeemed were presented at the Cross to God.

The whole church is presented at the Second Coming.

1,000 years of a perfect earth with a perfect population, minus a few people who listen to Satan at the end, will be presented at the end of current creation.

3 different presentations are mentioned. Jesus Christ reigned from Adam to the Cross, no? Why not? You think He only reigned after the Cross? Are you not limiting Christ as King in your narrow view of eschatology? Jesus will have reigned for 8,000 years, but to you only about 2,000 years.

Your in Timtofly dream time again

 

[rwb]

Do you not think that it has been 1992 years between the Cross and the Second Coming? Why did Paul not claim 2,000 years in the verse? Paul does not have to say 1,000 years between the Second Coming and the end. John told us that amount of time.

Paul thought he would still be alive at the Second Coming. Obviously that did not happen. There is a gap between the Cross and the Second Coming. There is a gap between the Second Coming and the end.

You don't even accept that the OT redeemed were presented at the Cross to God.

The whole church is presented at the Second Coming.

1,000 years of a perfect earth with a perfect population, minus a few people who listen to Satan at the end, will be presented at the end of current creation.

3 different presentations are mentioned. Jesus Christ reigned from Adam to the Cross, no? Why not? You think He only reigned after the Cross? Are you not limiting Christ as King in your narrow view of eschatology? Jesus will have reigned for 8,000 years, but to you only about 2,000 years.

More opinion, with no supporting Scripture! So typical of all Premillennialists! Answering your unbiblical opinions would be an exercise in futility! If you wish to discuss biblical truths, you have to actually use the Scriptures to prove what you allege to be truth.

 

[WPM]

More opinion, with no supporting Scripture! So typical of all Premillennialists! Answering your unbiblical opinions would be an exercise in futility! If you wish to discuss biblical truths, you have to actually use the Scriptures to prove what you allege to be truth.

This is a pattern!

 

[Timtofly]

Really? Where in Revelation 20 does it say it will be "a perfect earth with a perfect population"?
Where in Revelation 20 does it say only "a few people who listen to Satan at the end"?

This is a total misrepresentation of Revelation 20!

Where in Revelation 20 does it say the earth is full of sin and wickedness?

All of Adam's flesh was just killed at Armageddon. No one is left.

Certainly a few dead people don't reign with a dead Christ for 1,000 years on a dead earth.

 

[Timtofly]

More opinion, with no supporting Scripture! So typical of all Premillennialists! Answering your unbiblical opinions would be an exercise in futility! If you wish to discuss biblical truths, you have to actually use the Scriptures to prove what you allege to be truth.

I have and you know all the scripture defining the 1,000 year reign of Christ. You choose to misappropriate those Scriptures.

You cherry pick OT verses out of context to describe Revelation 20. All those cherry picked verses with the word 1,000 in them. Talk about cobbling Scripture together.

If I posted verses from the OT, you would just call it cobbling together Scripture, or you entirely interpret them your way. So you can bully all you like, or declare sin keeps going on into eternity yourself. You claim sacrifices keep going on into eternity as well. All those OT text you claim define eternity. Look them up and explain how the OT economy keeps going after the Second Coming.

You conflate the first and second comings without a distinction. Because you claim a perfect sin free time period between the 2, yourself. You just call it spiritually being sin free on earth. Those who claim to have no sin, deceive themselves and the truth is not in them. 1 John 1:8-10

 

[rwb]

I have and you know all the scripture defining the 1,000 year reign of Christ. You choose to misappropriate those Scriptures.

I find only one place in Rev 20 where a/the thousand years equates to TIME. There is NOWHERE in Scripture that proves there will be ONE thousand more years of TIME after Christ comes again. You have nothing but Rev 20 which shows a thousand years equate to time when living saints both lived and reigned and also shall live with Christ. You ignore the tenses to promote your unbiblical doctrine. The martyred souls in heaven lived and reigned in TIME, symbolized a thousand years. Other saints who are not part of the martyred souls in heaven shall also reign with Christ in TIME, symbolized a thousand years.

Revelation 20:4 (KJV) ... they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Revelation 20:6 (KJV) Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

This past tense living and reigning, and future tense reign with Christ speak of TIME, which is what a thousand years equate. TIME is given this earth, because there is no time in heaven. Heaven is the eternal dwelling place of God. When we read John's vision with common sense, instead of trying to promote an unbiblical doctrine we find John uses a/the thousand years to equate to time for building the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven as the Gospel is proclaimed throughout the earth. It stands to reason why John is told to write TIME as a/the thousand years and not literal/physical time on this earth, because if John gave the exact amount of time on this earth for Satan's binding, as the Gospel is proclaimed then we could determine what God tells us no man shall know.

 

[Timtofly]

I find only one place in Rev 20 where a/the thousand years equates to TIME. There is NOWHERE in Scripture that proves there will be ONE thousand more years of TIME after Christ comes again. You have nothing but Rev 20 which shows a thousand years equate to time when living saints both lived and reigned and also shall live with Christ. You ignore the tenses to promote your unbiblical doctrine. The martyred souls in heaven lived and reigned in TIME, symbolized a thousand years. Other saints who are not part of the martyred souls in heaven shall also reign with Christ in TIME, symbolized a thousand years.

Revelation 20:4 (KJV) ... they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Revelation 20:6 (KJV) Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

This past tense living and reigning, and future tense reign with Christ speak of TIME, which is what a thousand years equate. TIME is given this earth, because there is no time in heaven. Heaven is the eternal dwelling place of God. When we read John's vision with common sense, instead of trying to promote an unbiblical doctrine we find John uses a/the thousand years to equate to time for building the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven as the Gospel is proclaimed throughout the earth. It stands to reason why John is told to write TIME as a/the thousand years and not literal/physical time on this earth, because if John gave the exact amount of time on this earth for Satan's binding, as the Gospel is proclaimed then we could determine what God tells us no man shall know.

Every time the Day of the Lord is mentioned, that is 1,000 years on earth.

Peter told you to not ignore that point.

 

[WPM]

Every time the Day of the Lord is mentioned, that is 1,000 years on earth.

Peter told you to not ignore that point.

Where did Peter say that the "thousand years" is "the day of the Lord"?

 

[WPM]

Where in Revelation 20 does it say the earth is full of sin and wickedness?

All of Adam's flesh was just killed at Armageddon. No one is left.

Certainly a few dead people don't reign with a dead Christ for 1,000 years on a dead earth.

Who are Gog and Magog that rebel against God and arise up to overrun your supposed future millennial earth? Do they sin?

Do you consider billions of wicked who rise up as "the sand of the sea" to be "a few"?

 

[Timtofly]

Where did Peter say that the "thousand years" is "the day of the Lord"?

Read 2 Peter 3 again.

 

[Timtofly]

Who are Gog and Magog that rebel against God and arise up to overrun your supposed future millennial earth? Do they sin?

Do you consider billions of wicked who rise up as "the sand of the sea" to be "a few"?

Revelation 20 says Gog and Magog are the 4 corners of the earth. Those people living as far from the camp of the saints as possible. They have to cross the breadth of the earth to arrive at their protest rally.

Read Revelation 20 again.

 

[WPM]

Revelation 20 says Gog and Magog are the 4 corners of the earth. Those people living as far from the camp of the saints as possible. They have to cross the breadth of the earth to arrive at their protest rally.

Read Revelation 20 again.

This is pure fiction. They are gathered from throughout the earth. Your fight is with Scripture. It exposes your teaching.

Is it a sin to reject Christ, rebel against Him and follow Satan?

 

[WPM]

Read 2 Peter 3 again.

It does not say that "the day of the Lord" is a "thousand years." That is another addition you make to Scripture to support your faulty beliefs.

 

[Timtofly]

Is it a sin to reject Christ, rebel against Him and follow Satan?

Where is this found in Revelation 20?

"And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth,"

They had to cross the earth, no?

Your imagination states that a few from every where made a huge crowd. The crowd was huge that had to travel a great distance, ie across the breadth of the earth.

 

[Timtofly]

It does not say that "the day of the Lord" is a "thousand years." That is another addition you make to Scripture to support your faulty beliefs.

More like your faulty reading comprehension.

 

[WPM]

More like your faulty reading comprehension.

Ok then. Quote it and see who is telling the truth.

 

[WPM]

Where is this found in Revelation 20?

"And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth,"

They had to cross the earth, no?

Your imagination states that a few from every where made a huge crowd. The crowd was huge that had to travel a great distance, ie across the breadth of the earth.

I obviously have you cornered. Where does it say billions "as the sand of the sea" are "few"?

Why can Premils not answer simple questions?

Is it a sin to reject Christ, rebel against Him and follow Satan?

 

[Timtofly]

Ok then. Quote it and see who is telling the truth.

Since you did not quote the verses, why should I? I know who is telling the Truth. I already quoted them. You could have quoted them several replies ago, or addressed them instead of my posting style.

 

[Timtofly]

I obviously have you cornered. Where does it say billions "as the sand of the sea" are "few"?

Why can Premils not answer simple questions?

Is it a sin to reject Christ, rebel against Him and follow Satan?

A couple of billion out of 90 billion is a few.

How do you know the sand of the sea equals a couple of billion? You are the one that keeps saying billions. I assume that is plural for 1 billion, thus 2 billion.

Sin is disobedience to God. Death is rejecting Christ. Is it a sin to follow your pastor? Is it a sin to follow any one?

Is it a sin to think about sin?