Another Premillennial absurdity

[WPM]

I didn’t twist anything. I responded to your claims.

No. You avoided his simple requests. That is your MO.

 

[WPM]

Will answer your first question.
A thousand YEARS and A thousand GENERATIONS, are not compatible of the same things.

Your first comment is so ridiculous, I have no intent to further consider your folly.

Do you accept that the figure “a thousand” (including a thousand years) and ten thousand are repeatedly used in Scripture to denote a vast indeterminate amount or period of time?

Moses employs `a thousand' in Deuteronomy 7:9 saying, "Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations."

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

1 Chronicles 16:13-17 also states, "O ye seed of Israel his servant, ye children of Jacob, his chosen ones. He is the LORD our God; his judgments are in all the earth. Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations; Even of the covenant which he made with Abraham, and of his oath unto Isaac; And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant."

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

A thousand and ten thousand are used together in Psalm 91, saying, "Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day; Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday. A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee" (vv 5-7).

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

A similar contrast between these two numbers or ideas is seen in Deuteronomy 32:30, where a rhetorical question is asked, "How should one chase a thousand, and two put ten thousand to flight, except their Rock had sold them, and the Lord had shut them up?"

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

Joshua affirms, on the same vein, in chapter 23, "One man of you shall chase a thousand: for the LORD your God, he it is that fighteth for you, as he hath promised you" (v 10).

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

Isaiah the prophet similarly declares in Isaiah 30:17, "one thousand shall flee at the rebuke of one."

This incidentally is the only passage in Scripture that makes mention of the actual number "one thousand," albeit, the term is used to impress a spiritual truth.

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

Psalm 84:9-10 says, "Behold, O God our shield, and look upon the face of thine anointed. For a day in thy courts is better than a thousand. I had rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God, than to dwell in the tents of wickedness."

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

The figure a thousand is also employed in Psalm 50:10-11 saying, "For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills. I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine."

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

Ecclesiastes 7:27-28 succinctly says, "one man among a thousand have I found."

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

In the same vein, Job 33:23 declares, "If there be a messenger with him, an interpreter, one among a thousand, to shew unto man his uprightness."

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

The distinct contrast between one and a thousand is again found in Job 9:2-3, where Job declares, "I know it is so of a truth: but how should man be just with God? If he will contend with him, he cannot answer him one of a thousand."

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

 

[WPM]

Will answer your first question.
A thousand YEARS and A thousand GENERATIONS, are not compatible of the same things.

Your first comment is so ridiculous, I have no intent to further consider your folly.

Re the “one hour” that the beast reigns with the “ten kings” in Revelation 17:12, is that sixty minutes?

 

[WPM]

Acts 1:
[9] And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
[10] And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
[11] Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

1 Thes 4:
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


Matt 24:
[30] And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Rev 1:
[7] Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Rev 14:
[14] And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

1 Thes 3:
[13] To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

Where is your rapture here showing a 7 years trib or any trib duration after?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No.
You attempting to apply your lack of knowledge and understanding to me, is a fail.

Evil spirits ARE Present ON EARTH in THIS Present AGE!
Evil spirits WILL NOT BE Present ON EARTH During Christ Jesus’ millennial reign.

Where is this taught in scripture?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

There is a difference between;
Those who sleep “IN” Jesus and those who are alive or asleep “IN” Christ.

You can't be expected to be taken seriously when you say such baseless nonsense. What a joke. You can make scripture say anything you want when you do ridiculous things like make a distinction between Jesus and Christ like this.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Gibberish is meaningless speech.
If you consider discussing the Word of God meaningless speech, that is to your own detriment.

You don't discuss the Word of God at all. You never back up your opinions with scripture from the Word of God. Your posts are just full of your opinions and nothing else.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Sci-Fi Earthly Kingdom, full of death, decay, depravity, and degenerates ... is only in your imagination....no where in Scripture. rolleyes

Didn't you acknowledge before that there would be death occurring during the supposed future earthly millennial kingdom that you believe in? There could only be death if there is also sin. So, why are you denying that it would be "full of death, decay, depravity, and degenerates"?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No mortals remain at His coming? BUMMER....
Gee....WHO are the kings and lords, he rules OVER as KING of kings and Lord of lords...?

That He rules over? Is that what you see described here:

Revelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords. 17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; 18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

Can you see that this describes Him as DESTROYING these "kings and lords" that you think He will instead rule over for a thousand years? Do you just completely ignore passages like this?

 

[WPM]

You can't be expected to be taken seriously when you say such baseless nonsense. What a joke. You can make scripture say anything you want when you do ridiculous things like make a distinction between Jesus and Christ like this.

Exactly bro. This epitomizes Pretrib Premil. It is fake news.

 

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Your living in a fairy tale dream not found in scripture, you have nobody fooled but yourself

A 1,000 year Kingdom on earth, as Jesus sits on a throne in Jerusalem, as human mortals are dying physical death around him "Morbid"!

Jesus Christ overcame death in the resurrection, and you now want to take him from the right hand of the Father, and make him chief funeral director in your millennial kingdom "Sick"!

Jesus Is The Lord

Yes the 1,000 year resign of Christ Jesus is in Scripture. You have been shown, yet deny it. That’s on you.

Humans dying is not “morbid”. Humans are Mortal.
Mortal man IS REQUIRED and PURPOSED TO DIE!

All things were Created for Gods Pleasure.
Rev. 4:
[11] Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Angels were created WITH eternal HOLY (spirit) Life, with Freewill to Remain holy, or Reject their holiness. They can fall from holiness, (SIN) but never die.

Animal-KIND were created WITH BLOOD life, Given a SOUL (Gods Breath of Life), a MIND, instincts, Freewill to roam, WITHOUT a heartful spirit of Truth.
They CAN NOT SIN. (Believe or Not Believe IN God).

Man-KIND were created WITH BLOOD life, Given a SOUL (Gods Breath of Life), a MIND, instincts, Freewill, WITH a natural spirit of Heartful Truth Life.
They CAN SIN (ie cognitively/MINDFULLY, Not Believe IN God....spiritually HEARTFULLY, Not Believe IN God).

See the difference regarding Man-KIND?
BLOOD Life...SOUL Life...heartful SPIRIT Life.

Blood Life, is in regard to the mans Bodily Systems, Blood, Organs, Mind, tissue, bones, etc

Soul Life, is in regard to the mans senses, eyes; seeing, / ears; hearing / tongue; tasting / nose; smelling / flesh; touch feeling

Spirit Life, is in regard to the mans Natural TRUTH in his Heart.
(Which means a man CAN BELIEVE one thing in his CARNAL MIND and BELIEVE another thing in his HEART’S Spirit.)

BLOOD LIFE and NATURAL spirit (heartful truth) of a MORTAL MAN....
MUST DIE....God REQUIRES IT!!! (Doesn’t matter how or when, ALL mortal Blood and Natural spirit LIFE of man SHALL DIE.)

Gen 9:
[5] And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.

WHY?

Because...God IS Spirit.
Because...Gods DESIRE is for Man-KIND to forever BE WITH Him.
Because...Man-KIND forever WITH God, IS God inheritance.
Because...A natural man CAN NOT SEE GOD, but a “man IN a spiritual body”, CAN SEE God “as He IS”.

God DOES NOT CHANGE....
However God OFFERS ALL of mankind a FREEWILL CHOICE, that “THEY CAN BE “MADE” Changed.

REMEMBER....God is the CREATOR...and MAKER.
REMEMBER....God CREATES, without man-asking.
REMEMBER....God MAKES, according to a mans desire and asking.

That OFFERING...
Applies TO the whole of the man: BODY, SOUL, SPIRIT.
* dead body, raised in a new spiritual body, unseen by human eyes.
* soul restored, to Good as it was when God Gave it to him, ie called Sav-ed
* spirit quickened, having received the SEED of God, which births a man a new heartful spirit, ie Gods TRUTH, ie called Born Again, ie called having been Baptized with the Holy Spirit of God.

That OFFERING...
Is Expressly According TO: Gods Terms (so to speak). Gods ORDER and WAY.
Man-KIND has the freewill...TO: Accept Gods ORDER and WAY, or Reject it.

DEATH of a mans BODY....MUST Proceed the ACT of God TO RAISE up that mans BODY....(MADE CHANGED).....
DEATH of a mans BODY....CAN ALSO be DEAD, raised up IN it same Blood Life BODY...(UNCHANGED)
Mystery...
DEATH of a mans BODY....CAN ALSO be DEAD, raised up IF the Living soul (ie Gods BREATH) is RETURNED to the Body.

WHEN...a mans BODY (mortally DIES),
* the mans LIVING SOUL, Departs that DEAD BODY.
~ Saved, that soul goes to Heaven, to wait to return to its Glorified Body to be risen and Judgement.
~ UnSaved, that soul goes to Hell to wait for the day it is returned to its dead (unchanged) risen body, and Judgement.

WHEN...a mans BODY (mortally DIES0,
* IF the mans natural spirit in his Heart, HAS BEEN changed....his new spiritual spirit DEPARTS his Dead body and Rises to Heaven, to ALSO WAIT for his BODY to be risen in Glory.
* IF the mans natural spirit in his Heart, HAS NOT BEEN changed...his natural spirit (natural truth in his heart), DIES along with his natural BODILY BLOOD LIFE.

Mortal men HAVE a freewill OPTION, to BE “MADE” changed
TO: WHOLLY, WHOLE and HOLY. (Body, soul, spirit)
BY: THROUGH: OF; the offering of God, BE; THROUGH, OF: Christ the Power of God.
ACCORDING TO: Gods ORDER and WAY.

 

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@Truth7t7

Regarding...Gods’ ORDER...
(first are first ...last are last....first shall be last...last shall be first)...which applies in circumstances throughout all of the history of man, from the beginning.

Anciently OT Israel was First...Gentiles Last
Historically NT Jews were First...then All Tribesmen...then Gentiles.
Modernly Forward after NT...Gentiles First...the Jews...the All Tribesmen.

Gods FIRST Great Tribulation...(sent down from heaven, was expressly to FALL up the Earth and ANY man who Rejected God and His Word.)
(The WHY is expressly revealed IN Scripture).

Gods Word had Revealed a SECOND and LAST Great Tribulation ...(to be sent down from heaven....SAME thing...SAME why )

IF you Study the Scriptures...you should recognize the SAME thing foretold to YET to come to pass and the SAME why.
Have you NOTICED....”Israel”...Gods People broadly have REJECTED Christ Jesus, the Christ Messiah, GOD SENT TO THEM?

Have you NOTICED...”Gentiles”....ARE the primary people who have ACCEPTED Christ Jesus, the Christ Messiah, God SENT TO the Whole World?

Have you NOTICED...”ALL men”...have an OFFERED...”Learning Curve”, (so to speak)....Between HEARING ABOUT the Lord God, Believing, Following......
AND ........GODS WAY.....of men CONFESSING their HEARTFUL (natural spirit) BELIEF IN the Lord God.

Have you noticed.....A majority of Gentiles....BELIEVE, FOLLOW the TEACHINGS of Christ Jesus LONG BEFORE they are PREPARED TO:
MAKE a true ONE TIME heartful CONFESSION of BELIEF? (The learning curve, to be sure, KNOW what are ARE “making a ONE TIME COMMITMENT TO.”

Have YOU Studied Revelations?
* WHO is Gods People? ISRAEL (1 Sam 9:16)
* WHO was FIRST given Christ Jesus? Jews
* WHO once given Christ Jesus was the First to REJECT Him? Jews
* WHO is First to Send Down His Wrath from Heaven? Lamb of God (rev 6:16)
* Punishment upon the Jews for Rejecting Christ.
* WHO SENDS two of Gods People to Witness Gods TRUTH TO Jerusalem, Jews Holy City...? God
* WHO SENDS A LAMB and 144,000 of ISRAEL’S Tribesmen to ALL of ISRAEL’S to a holy mountain, to Witness and Preach Gods TRUTH TO all the Tribes of Israel...? God

WHY? If you study Gods ORDER and WAY....God People were FIRST, and tasked to FIRST teach “their own” Gods WAY...and THEN “teach the world” ... ie Gentiles. (The Disciples began, the Apostles continued....and oops...it fizzled. )

YET....despite....Israels/Jews/Tribesmen REJECTION of CHRIST...THEY, not teaching the world...THEY, not relenting to the Gentiles teaching THEM......
THEY HAVE....anciently, historically, modernly.....SUFFERED persecutions, horrendous persecutions, at the hands of men....and God ALLOWING.

BUT DO NOT FORGET...Gods PROMISE TO “HIS PEOPLE ISRAEL”....
WITH the CAVEAT....
Gods People ISRAEL, is a broad term of a mans blood-line descent.
Gods People ISRAEL, is specific to ISRAELITES, WHO have KEPT their BELIEF IN the Heavenly GOD Almighty...NOT rejected Him.

The LAST GREAT Tribulation IS: PRIMARILY about God Fuflilling HIS PROMISE TO “His Faithful People”.
God is ALLOWING the Lamb of God’s Wrath to be effected, for HIS Rejection.
God is ALLOWING the Devils Wrath, upon all who have Rejected. (Rev 12:12)
God is OFFERING Jews in Jerusalem to HEAR from their own kin.
God is OFFERING All Tribesmen on Mt Zion to HEAR from their own kin.
God HAS Promised to PUNISH ALL who advocated others to BE Against God and His Word and ultimately DESTROY ALL of mankind that IS Against Him and His Word.

BELIEF and CONFESSING True Heartful BELIEF....ARE two DIFFERENT things.
Men can believe, wonder, deny, believe, be unsure....WAVER
Men WHO Confess True Heartful BELIEF...ARE COMMITTING, once and forever.

The whole world of MAN-KIND...IS DIVIDED...
Some HAVE...become “MADE” WHOLE, body, soul, spirit....BY, through, Of the Power of God...(with the caveat...Knowing but NOT SEEING...”yet”)
The ARE “IN” Christ, (the Power of God) and the Power of God (Christ) “IN” them. The Lord shall raise them up...Before the Tribulation begins. Before the Wrath of the Lamb comes down from Heaven, Before the Wrath of the Devil is allowed over the earth, Before the Wrath of God is sent down from Heaven.
THEY ARE ALREADY “MADE” wholly, whole, holy.
(1 Thes

Some HAVE...become Following “BELIEVERS”, but NOT “COMMITTED”.
(Should they bodily Die IN BELIEF, they will BE SAVED, and GOD WILL BRING WITH Him...(1 God will raise THEM UP in a glorious body.)
(1 Thes 4:14)

Some HAVE...become “COMMITTED”, are already MADE wholly, whole, holy, by the Power of God (ie Christ), “IN” them and they “IN” Him. (Their mortal eyes, can not SEE “yet” what God has MADE them.)
The Lord shall BRING...raise them UP in glorified body’s to meet Him, SEE Him, and Forever BE WITH Him. BEFORE the Lamb’s WRATH, BEFORE the Devils WRATH, BEFORE Gods WRATH...is sent DOWN upon the Earth and it’s inhabitants. The CONVERTED are NOT appointed to suffer Wrath.
(1 Thes 4: 16, 17) (1 Thes 5:9)

Some HAVE... become “committed” to REJECTING the Lord God. They have “forfeited” their Offering TO BE “MADE” changed and Forever BE with God.

 

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@Truth7t7 CONTINUED

NOTHING NEW under the sun...what was shall be Again.
(Ecc 1:9)

Gods FIRST man was WITH God, VOID of Evil.
Gods FIRST man was WITH God, VOID of Wickedness.
Gods divided men, and CALLED Believing men, His People.
God PROMISED, Believing men, God would BE WITH THEM.
Nothing NEW...
God Destroyed the EARTH...and raised UP Believing men from the face of the earth, BEFORE the EARTH was Destroyed.
Nothing NEW...
The Lord SHALL raise UP...Committed men IN Christ from the face of the earth, BEFORE the Earth is Destroye.
Nothing New...
God SHALL raise UP....Believing men IN Jesus AFTER their BODY dies.
Nothing New..
The Lord God SHALL...be Present ON Earth, WITH living moral Believing men.
(VOID of Evil and Wickedness). Ie 1,000 year reign.
Nothing New.
Committed men, already MADE WHOLE...body, soul, spirit...SHALL BE WITH the Lord FOREVER, wherever He is so all shall they BE. (1 Thes 4: 17-18)
Nothing New.
Same as in the Garden...God Taught man, Evil and Wickedness was SENT to the face of the Earth...NATURAL man was FOOLED.
AT the END of the 1,000 years...EVIL and WICKEDNESS shall AGAIN...be sent to the face of the Earth...TO TRY and TEST men’s BELIEF....
Nothing New.
Men WEAK in BELIEF...Men becoming wealthy, comfortable in “things”, arrogant in Power positions, Greedy, eyeing what others have, wanting what other have, Having TRUST in their own abilities ABOVE Gods teaching He provides ALL things..........AND THEN....
Nothing New.
The Devil and his minions RETURN to the Face of the Earth....
Nothing New.
They ADVOCATE, encourage, WEAK men, THEY ARE RIGHT, they are entitled, to wealth, comfort, power, by all means.......EXCEPT God.
They advocate, encourage, WEAK men....their struggles, sorrows, suffering, IS ALL GODS FAULT, Blame Him, Reject Him......
Nothing New.
The Devil has greater power, knowledge, than men.

* It matters NOT, if you know, believe or understand Gods PURPOSE for Gods Creation AND Making of Mankind-KIND.
* It matters NOT, if you know, believe or understand God FIRST teaching the FIRST man Gods TRUTH, and then ALLOWING EVIL and WICKEDNESS presence, to ALLOW the FIRST man freewill to “lend his ears, pay attention, give consideration TO Freely Choosing to follow, EVIL, rather than God.
* It matters NOT, if you know, believe or understand God fulfilling His Promise TO HIS PEOPLE, OR HOW....being, Believers, ONLY Hearing Gods Word, (Christ’s 1,000 yr reign) BEFORE God ALLOWS, EVIL to return to the face of the Earth...

* Gods Order and Way, SHALL prevail “according to Gods Order and Way”, regardless IF you believe it, know it, or understand it.

* Gods next and LAST Tribulation....and Gods Millennial Reign of Christ Jesus, IS NOT ABOUT YOU. It is ABOUT God fulfilling His Promise....
TO: His People....the first, who are last, who shall be First...

* Christ Jesus’ Kingdom on earth, IS “temporary”, with Mortals, and “permanent” with the Wholly, Whole, and Holy.

* Once the Kingdom of God, is revealed....the Earth is Renewed, the new City of Jerusalem is Revealed...Mortals no longer exist...Evil is forever removed from the face of the earth.......As it is IN Heaven so shall it BE on earth....wholly, whole, holy.

* AND WHOSE NAMES....are HAVE the HONOR of being engraved on the GATES of Gods Kingdom??? The first, who are last, who shall be First.

Learning, knowing, believing, trusting, wisdom, understanding, committing....is WAY more than pointing to A Single or Few Scriptures....and thinking you have an AH HA “gotcha” basis for debate with other men.

Every man is an Individual. Not every Scripture applies to Every individual.
What applies to me, IS I believe, trust, know, Understand the purpose of Gods next and last Great Tribulation, WHO it does and does not APPLY to, and Gods Purpose for His 1,000 year reign of Christ Jesus, (Spiritual) KING of (Mortal) kings...upon the face fo the earth.

What applies to you, IS you not ONLY reject that belief....but dangerously “PROMOTE” for others to reject that belief.

YOU give your rejection reasoning ... claiming the 1,000 year reign of Christ is not in Scripture ... Yet is IS plainly written in Scripture...Rev 20.

YOU “promote” for other to reject that belief, (according to your belief)...
And the Warning of Danger, is also in Scripture...in several texts..
For example:
(Rom 1:32)
(Prov 2:14)

No one disparages your right to REJECT Gods Word, or promote REJECTION of Gods Word. We shall all be rightly judged according to what we each individually freely choose.


Glory to God,
Taken

 

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Stop avoiding. Where is your rapture passage showing a 7 years trib or any trib duration after?

As for Rev 20, we all accept that. Amils and Postmils just believe it is ongoing since the first resurrection.

No, all do not accept the Rapture, as you forementioned.
No, all do not accept Rev 20...see @Truth7t7 .

No, this thread is not about the Length of time regarding the Future Tribulation.

No, I do not find you prepared in knowledge to hold a worthy discussion with you ABOUT the length of time regarding the Future Tribulation.

 

[Taken]

Your living in a fairy tale dream not found in scripture, you have nobody fooled but yourself

A 1,000 year Kingdom on earth, as Jesus sits on a throne in Jerusalem, as human mortals are dying physical death around him "Morbid"!

Jesus Christ overcame death in the resurrection, and you now want to take him from the right hand of the Father, and make him chief funeral director in your millennial kingdom "Sick"!

Jesus Is The Lord

YAWN.

 

[Taken]

Where is your rapture here showing a 7 years trib or any trib duration after?

Rapture and Tribulation are TWO very different things.
Show yourself approved by in-depth studying each independently.

Rapture IS Raising up OFF the face of the Earth.
Tribulation IS Experiencing chaos, troubles ON the face of the Earth.

You are of the.....GIMMY the Understanding (crowd)...BEFORE you exert energy to hear, learn, study the Truth.

Did you UNDERSTAND to ADD numbers BEFORE you Learned what numbers ARE?

Understanding Always comes AFTER Learning.

 

[WPM]

Rapture and Tribulation are TWO very different things.
Show yourself approved by in-depth studying each independently.

Rapture IS Raising up OFF the face of the Earth.
Tribulation IS Experiencing chaos, troubles ON the face of the Earth.

You are of the.....GIMMY the Understanding (crowd)...BEFORE you exert energy to hear, learn, study the Truth.

Did you UNDERSTAND to ADD numbers BEFORE you Learned what numbers ARE?

Understanding Always comes AFTER Learning.

You clearly have nothing. We all know that. I am simply exposing the folly of your position to you. It is a man-made Jesuit doctrine. It has no basis in Scripture, as your avoidance proves.

 

[WPM]

No, all do not accept the Rapture, as you forementioned.
No, all do not accept Rev 20...see @Truth7t7 .

No, this thread is not about the Length of time regarding the Future Tribulation.

No, I do not find you prepared in knowledge to hold a worthy discussion with you ABOUT the length of time regarding the Future Tribulation.

LOL. You are providing nothing apart from personal opinion. That is the basis of your posts. You like to talk gibberish. You have nothing in the sacred text. Your avoidance proves that.

 

[WPM]

@Truth7t7

Regarding...Gods’ ORDER...
(first are first ...last are last....first shall be last...last shall be first)...which applies in circumstances throughout all of the history of man, from the beginning.

Anciently OT Israel was First...Gentiles Last
Historically NT Jews were First...then All Tribesmen...then Gentiles.
Modernly Forward after NT...Gentiles First...the Jews...the All Tribesmen.

Gods FIRST Great Tribulation...(sent down from heaven, was expressly to FALL up the Earth and ANY man who Rejected God and His Word.)
(The WHY is expressly revealed IN Scripture).

Gods Word had Revealed a SECOND and LAST Great Tribulation ...(to be sent down from heaven....SAME thing...SAME why )

IF you Study the Scriptures...you should recognize the SAME thing foretold to YET to come to pass and the SAME why.
Have you NOTICED....”Israel”...Gods People broadly have REJECTED Christ Jesus, the Christ Messiah, GOD SENT TO THEM?

Have you NOTICED...”Gentiles”....ARE the primary people who have ACCEPTED Christ Jesus, the Christ Messiah, God SENT TO the Whole World?

Have you NOTICED...”ALL men”...have an OFFERED...”Learning Curve”, (so to speak)....Between HEARING ABOUT the Lord God, Believing, Following......
AND ........GODS WAY.....of men CONFESSING their HEARTFUL (natural spirit) BELIEF IN the Lord God.

Have you noticed.....A majority of Gentiles....BELIEVE, FOLLOW the TEACHINGS of Christ Jesus LONG BEFORE they are PREPARED TO:
MAKE a true ONE TIME heartful CONFESSION of BELIEF? (The learning curve, to be sure, KNOW what are ARE “making a ONE TIME COMMITMENT TO.”

Have YOU Studied Revelations?
* WHO is Gods People? ISRAEL (1 Sam 9:16)
* WHO was FIRST given Christ Jesus? Jews
* WHO once given Christ Jesus was the First to REJECT Him? Jews
* WHO is First to Send Down His Wrath from Heaven? Lamb of God (rev 6:16)
* Punishment upon the Jews for Rejecting Christ.
* WHO SENDS two of Gods People to Witness Gods TRUTH TO Jerusalem, Jews Holy City...? God
* WHO SENDS A LAMB and 144,000 of ISRAEL’S Tribesmen to ALL of ISRAEL’S to a holy mountain, to Witness and Preach Gods TRUTH TO all the Tribes of Israel...? God

WHY? If you study Gods ORDER and WAY....God People were FIRST, and tasked to FIRST teach “their own” Gods WAY...and THEN “teach the world” ... ie Gentiles. (The Disciples began, the Apostles continued....and oops...it fizzled. )

YET....despite....Israels/Jews/Tribesmen REJECTION of CHRIST...THEY, not teaching the world...THEY, not relenting to the Gentiles teaching THEM......
THEY HAVE....anciently, historically, modernly.....SUFFERED persecutions, horrendous persecutions, at the hands of men....and God ALLOWING.

BUT DO NOT FORGET...Gods PROMISE TO “HIS PEOPLE ISRAEL”....
WITH the CAVEAT....
Gods People ISRAEL, is a broad term of a mans blood-line descent.
Gods People ISRAEL, is specific to ISRAELITES, WHO have KEPT their BELIEF IN the Heavenly GOD Almighty...NOT rejected Him.

The LAST GREAT Tribulation IS: PRIMARILY about God Fuflilling HIS PROMISE TO “His Faithful People”.
God is ALLOWING the Lamb of God’s Wrath to be effected, for HIS Rejection.
God is ALLOWING the Devils Wrath, upon all who have Rejected. (Rev 12:12)
God is OFFERING Jews in Jerusalem to HEAR from their own kin.
God is OFFERING All Tribesmen on Mt Zion to HEAR from their own kin.
God HAS Promised to PUNISH ALL who advocated others to BE Against God and His Word and ultimately DESTROY ALL of mankind that IS Against Him and His Word.

BELIEF and CONFESSING True Heartful BELIEF....ARE two DIFFERENT things.
Men can believe, wonder, deny, believe, be unsure....WAVER
Men WHO Confess True Heartful BELIEF...ARE COMMITTING, once and forever.

The whole world of MAN-KIND...IS DIVIDED...
Some HAVE...become “MADE” WHOLE, body, soul, spirit....BY, through, Of the Power of God...(with the caveat...Knowing but NOT SEEING...”yet”)
The ARE “IN” Christ, (the Power of God) and the Power of God (Christ) “IN” them. The Lord shall raise them up...Before the Tribulation begins. Before the Wrath of the Lamb comes down from Heaven, Before the Wrath of the Devil is allowed over the earth, Before the Wrath of God is sent down from Heaven.
THEY ARE ALREADY “MADE” wholly, whole, holy.
(1 Thes

Some HAVE...become Following “BELIEVERS”, but NOT “COMMITTED”.
(Should they bodily Die IN BELIEF, they will BE SAVED, and GOD WILL BRING WITH Him...(1 God will raise THEM UP in a glorious body.)
(1 Thes 4:14)

Some HAVE...become “COMMITTED”, are already MADE wholly, whole, holy, by the Power of God (ie Christ), “IN” them and they “IN” Him. (Their mortal eyes, can not SEE “yet” what God has MADE them.)
The Lord shall BRING...raise them UP in glorified body’s to meet Him, SEE Him, and Forever BE WITH Him. BEFORE the Lamb’s WRATH, BEFORE the Devils WRATH, BEFORE Gods WRATH...is sent DOWN upon the Earth and it’s inhabitants. The CONVERTED are NOT appointed to suffer Wrath.
(1 Thes 4: 16, 17) (1 Thes 5:9)

Some HAVE... become “committed” to REJECTING the Lord God. They have “forfeited” their Offering TO BE “MADE” changed and Forever BE with God.

Where teaches a rapture of the Church, followed by seven-year tribulation, followed by a third coming of the Lord in Scripture?

 

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Where is this taught in scripture?

Really?
Sounds as if a “student Bible” would be useful to you, to learn the BEGINNING basics.

This Thread is a conversation WAY beyond Beginner Basics.