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On the Day of Pentecost when the Church was born with the conversion of 3,000 Jews and Gentiles,
who experienced the New Covenant?
I just reread Acts 2 to make sure there was nothing there about a New Covenant. I still didn't see it. So taking the text for what it says, nobody experienced a New Covenant.

Read all of Jeremiah 31 where it talks about the New Covenant with Israel and with Judah. It's pretty obvious none of that came to pass on the day of Pentecost nor has come to pass as of the moment I'm writing. It's still future.
 

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I just reread Acts 2 to make sure there was nothing there about a New Covenant. I still didn't see it. So taking the text for what it says, nobody experienced a New Covenant.

Read all of Jeremiah 31 where it talks about the New Covenant with Israel and with Judah. It's pretty obvious none of that came to pass on the day of Pentecost nor has come to pass as of the moment I'm writing. It's still future.
Paul was a Jew, do you think Paul was under the old covenant or the new covenant?
 
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I just reread Acts 2 to make sure there was nothing there about a New Covenant. I still didn't see it. So taking the text for what it says, nobody experienced a New Covenant.

Read all of Jeremiah 31 where it talks about the New Covenant with Israel and with Judah. It's pretty obvious none of that came to pass on the day of Pentecost nor has come to pass as of the moment I'm writing. It's still future.

What is this new covenant you believe will be in the future for Israel and Judah that the Covenant through the blood of Christ apparently lacks for them?
 
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Paul was a Jew, do you think Paul was under the old covenant or the new covenant?
Paul, though born a Jew, became a Christian.

Gal 3:27-28,

27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.​
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.​

Paul was no longer under the old covenant. Read all of Jeremiah 31 which is where it first mentions a new covenant. It is obvious that none of that has come to pass, so nobody, including Paul is under the new covenant. The new covenant with Israel and Judah has yet to occur. God never made a covenant with the church.
 
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The one in Jeremiah 31.

That doesn't explain what you think that Covenant means? The one and only Covenant that will cleanse unbelievers when they believe is found through the blood of Christ. Do you believe Christ will come again to give His blood to save them? Or do you believe there will be profit for them returning to the Laws of Old?
 
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The one thousand years of Revelation 20 is after Jesus returns, and begins His reign here on earth over the nations. Jesus will rule with a rod of iron during that time, that there will be no rebellion by the kings of the earth.

Psalms 2 is about Jesus's Second Coming. Psalms 2:6 is the fulfillment of Daniel 9:24, "to anointed the most Holy", i.e. Jesus as King of Israel (God's holy hill of Zion being the temple mount in Jerusalem) and of the world. Psalms 2:7, God the Father begets Jesus as King that day of His return. Psalms 2:8 is the expanse of His rule here on earth over the nations.

Psalms 2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

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Ezekiel 39:17-20 is also about Armageddon that Psalms 2:1-3 the kings of the earth take council together to make war on Jesus and His armies of heaven. Revelation 19:17-18, at Jesus's Second Coming, corresponds to Ezekiel 39:17-20.

Ezekiel 39:21 is Jesus setting His glory among the heathen - at His Second Coming, which in verse 21 it says He has just executed judgment on the kings of the earth and their armies gathered to make war on Him and His armies in Revelation 19:19-21.

Ezekiel 39:21 21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.

Revelation 19:
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

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The thousand year reign of Jesus here, present on the earth, ruling from Jerusalem, is literal. And will begin following His Second Coming.
I already showed you that Psalm 2 relates to the intra-Advent period. As usual you reject it. The NT writers forbid your claims.

Ezekiel 39 is an ancient battle. So what is Gog/Magog? When does that happen? Where in Ezekiel 39 does it even mention a rapture of the church before a tribulation period? Where does it mention the Church? Where does it mentioned a rapture? Where does it mention a tribulation period, and where does it mention a 3rd coming?

Revelation 19 is a picture of the end. It support Amil. Revelation 20 starts a new recap. Revelation 19:11-21 outlines: And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. And the remnant [Gr. loipoy or remaining ones or those left behind] were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.”

Please see that the wicked are destroyed by the sword of His voice. This is complete wholesale total destruction - for those left behind. There are no survivors!

This passage powerfully and solemnly reveals the full extent of the devastation that is to be focused upon the wicked on the day of God’s wrath. In perfect keeping with the rest of Scripture, this narrative graphically shows us that the destruction that occurs will be immediate, absolute and total and that, at this stage – after “the marriage of the Lamb” (Rev 19:7) – everyone left behind will be completely consumed; the birds of heaven filling themselves with “the flesh of all men.” Significantly, the suffix “both free and bond, both small and great” is added in order to fully impress the enormity and all-inclusive nature of this feast.
 
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Paul, though born a Jew, became a Christian.

Gal 3:27-28,

27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.​
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.​

Paul was no longer under the old covenant. Read all of Jeremiah 31 which is where it first mentions a new covenant. It is obvious that none of that has come to pass, so nobody, including Paul is under the new covenant. The new covenant with Israel and Judah has yet to occur. God never made a covenant with the church.

???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? When this new covenant for Israel and Judah comes will Paul have to revert back to the Old Law that is done away in Christ to be saved?
 
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Paul, though born a Jew, became a Christian.

Gal 3:27-28,

27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.​
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.​

Paul was no longer under the old covenant. Read all of Jeremiah 31 which is where it first mentions a new covenant. It is obvious that none of that has come to pass, so nobody, including Paul is under the new covenant. The new covenant with Israel and Judah has yet to occur. God never made a covenant with the church.
Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Doesn’t that verse say specifically that Jesus died to redeem those under the old covenant and put them under the new covenant?
 
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I already showed you that Psalm 2 relates to the intra-Advent period. As usual you reject it. The NT writers forbid your claims.

Ezekiel 39 is an ancient battle. So what is Gog/Magog? When does that happen? Where in Ezekiel 39 does it even mention a rapture of the church before a tribulation period? Where does it mention the Church? Where does it mentioned a rapture? Where does it mention a tribulation period, and where does it mention a 3rd coming?

Revelation 19 is a picture of the end. It support Amil. Revelation 20 starts a new recap. Revelation 19:11-21 outlines: And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. And the remnant [Gr. loipoy or remaining ones or those left behind] were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.”

Please see that the wicked are destroyed by the sword of His voice. This is complete wholesale total destruction - for those left behind. There are no survivors!

This passage powerfully and solemnly reveals the full extent of the devastation that is to be focused upon the wicked on the day of God’s wrath. In perfect keeping with the rest of Scripture, this narrative graphically shows us that the destruction that occurs will be immediate, absolute and total and that, at this stage – after “the marriage of the Lamb” (Rev 19:7) – everyone left behind will be completely consumed; the birds of heaven filling themselves with “the flesh of all men.” Significantly, the suffix “both free and bond, both small and great” is added in order to fully impress the enormity and all-inclusive nature of this feast.
You did not give any explanation of Psalms 2:1-3. Where did you obtain a program of the bible that does not have the verse numbers ?
 
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Ezekiel 39 is an ancient battle.
In the Ezekiel 39, Israel buries the dead of Gog's armies for 7 months and the mass burial site becomes known as the valley of Hamongog. Ezekiel 39:11-12

There is no such burial site in Israel full of the bones of Gog's army - so it has not happened yet.
 

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You did not give any explanation of Psalms 2:1-3. Where did you obtain a program of the bible that does not have the verse numbers ?
I quoted the text. Study it for yourself and you will see the error of your position.
 

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I quoted the text. Study it for yourself and you will see the error of your position.
You quoted the verses of Psalms 2:1-3. But did not explain what the verses mean.
 

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In the Ezekiel 39, Israel buries the dead of Gog's armies for 7 months and the mass burial site becomes known as the valley of Hamongog. Ezekiel 39:11-12

There is no such burial site in Israel full of the bones of Gog's army - so it has not happened yet.
Many ancient burials are long gone. That is why we have many unexpected finds in modern times. Ancient scholars and historians (who are objective) disagree with your claims.

You make it up as you go. You constantly manipulate Scripture to support your error.

Where in Ezekiel 39 does it mention a rapture of the church before a tribulation period?
Where does it mention the Church?
Where does it mentioned a rapture?
Where does it mention a tribulation period

Where does it mention a 3rd coming?
 

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Many ancient burials are long gone. That is why we have many unexpected finds in modern times. Ancient scholars and historians (who are objective) disagree with your claims.
No-one in Israel claims that Ezekiel 38-39, Gog/Magog has taken place yet.

Ezekiel 38:8 - in the latter years
Ezekiel 38:16 - in the latter days
 

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I told you: the NT writers did it for me.
None of the passages you took from the NT explained....who the bands are in verse 3.

Psalm 2:1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,

3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
 

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No-one in Israel claims that Ezekiel 38-39, Gog/Magog has taken place yet.

Ezekiel 38:8 - in the latter years
Ezekiel 38:16 - in the latter days
Have you asked them all?
 

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No-one in Israel claims that Ezekiel 38-39, Gog/Magog has taken place yet.

Ezekiel 38:8 - in the latter years
Ezekiel 38:16 - in the latter days
Where in Ezekiel 39 does it mention a rapture of the church before a tribulation period?
Where does it mention the Church?
Where does it mentioned a rapture?
Where does it mention a tribulation period

Where does it mention a 3rd coming?