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Your are Amil and therefore do not acknowledge the literal 1000 years reign of Jesus from this earth. Jesus's return to this earth is in Psalms 2, which begins with the kings of the earth gathering their armies to stop Jesus from returning with His army.

But in spite of their efforts, God will set Jesus as king on Mt. Zion the temple mount in Jerusalem, and from there Jesus will rule with a rod of iron. That begins the 1000 years reign of Jesus from this earth.

Psalms 2:1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,

3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
Psalm 2:1-12 tells us: Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure. Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel. Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.”

The first thing we note here is that the “King” is none other than the Lord Jesus Christ. Verse 7 declares, “the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.”

In verse 4 we see the habitation of the King; how He “sitteth in the heavens.” In fact, verse 6 goes on to figuratively explain, “Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.”

This interpretation is unequivocally confirmed in Acts 4:24-28, in the disciples prayer to God, where it records, “they (the disciples) lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is: Who by the mouth of thy servant David hast said [in Psalm 2], Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things? The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ. For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together, For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.”

The New Testament writers have already located the fulfillment of it. They relate it to the current age. Your conflict is with the Book, again. Here this seemingly global prophecy is directly applied to Christ and to His first Advent, and to the different leaders of His day that opposed Him.

Paul speaking to the religious Jews in Antioch in Acts 13:22-23 says, concerning the promise of the Messiah and His rise to the throne of David, which was made unto their forefathers, he (God) raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will. Of this man’s seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a saviour, Jesus.”

Manifestly, these misguided Jews still foolishly yearned for a coming Messiah who would reign upon a physical temporal earthly throne in Jerusalem, when He had in fact already come and rose to the heavenly eternal throne. These earthly minded theologians had totally misunderstood the hour of their visitation and the actual form that Messiah’s reign would assume. In fact, Paul stated, in Acts 13:27-30, “For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him. And though they found no cause of death in him, yet desired they Pilate that he should be slain. And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre. But God raised him from the dead.”

Paul enlarges and explains, “And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers, God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm [yes, Psalm 2], Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. And as concerning that [in Psalm 2] he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise [His glorious rise to the throne], I will give you the sure mercies of David” (vv 32-34).

The promised Messiah has already come and taken the throne of David, although, evidently, not in the person or in the manner that the unbelieving Jews had carnally imagined. Paul here applies the Old Testament promises in Psalm 2 and Isaiah 55 to Christ’s death, burial and resurrection to the throne; and explains how such a prophecy has already been gloriously fulfilled.

This is irrefutable evidence that Psalm 2 relates to the intra-Advent period.
 
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This absolutely is not right.

Salvation comes immediately but you’re not born again until Christ is formed in you from reading incorruptible word of God.

1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
When does this happen?

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! By his great mercy he gave us new birth (anagennáō) into a living (záō) hope THROUGH the resurrection (anástasis) of Jesus Christ from the dead".
 

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Psalm 2:1-12 tells us: Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure. Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel. Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.”
Go back, redo your post. You are presenting Psalms 2:1-12 in a form that does not identify the verses. Thus, making your post hard to understand and un-readable.

You can go here to copy and paste from the kjv.

 

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You refer to verse 4 and verse 7 in Pslams 2, but don't idenify what the verse numbers are in the text you presented in red.

Where did you copy and paste the text in red from ?
 

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You refer to verse 4 and verse 7 in Pslams 2, but don't idenify what the verse numbers are in the text you presented in red.

Where did you copy and paste the text in red from ?

Open your Bible or open the Bible online. It is not hard to do.
 
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Douggg

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Open your Bible or open the Bible online. It is not hard to do.
What online bible did you copy and paste from ? Provide a link.

Are you copy and pasting from some Amil site instead ?
 

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What online bible did you copy and paste from ? Provide a link.

Are you copy and pasting from some Amil site instead ?

I am using my own KJV Bible program.
 
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I didn’t address anything you said because everything you said is YOUR version of being born again.

Just like your using Romans 10:17 to prove your point. Faith is not the second birth.

I’m done, I’m not going to debate your beliefs.
I didn't say faith is the second birth. Good grief. Faith in what people hear (the word of God) results in being born again. You are not able to debate my beliefs because your own beliefs are from your imagination and not from scripture.

Ephesians 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
 

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Go back, redo your post. You are presenting Psalms 2:1-12 in a form that does not identify the verses. Thus, making your post hard to understand and un-readable.

You can go here to copy and paste from the kjv.

LOL. He identified the passage as Psalm 2:1-12. Are you too lazy to bring it up yourself if you need to see which verses are which? It's not as if he quoted the verses out of order. Are you aware that there were no chapters and verses in the original manuscripts? Would you have just not bothered reading the Bible if you had to read it without chapters and verses?
 
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Go back, redo your post. You are presenting Psalms 2:1-12 in a form that does not identify the verses. Thus, making your post hard to understand and un-readable.

You can go here to copy and paste from the kjv.

LOL. You always imagine yourself as having authority here when you have none. Thanks for the laughs and entertainment that you provide, Douggg.
 

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LOL. He identified the passage as Psalm 2:1-12. Are you too lazy to bring it up yourself if you need to see which verses are which? It's not as if he quoted the verses out of order. Are you aware that there were no chapters and verses in the original manuscripts? Would you have just not bothered reading the Bible if you had to read it without chapters and verses?
Why not just copy and paste from the kjv link I gave ?