I never said they are thrown in the fire forever--in fact, I literally just posted contrary to that idea, so I don't know why you're objecting "they are not thrown in the lake of fire forever" as if I'd said it.
Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life
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I am not even worried about it, just tell me what you believe and that helps a lot. It seems that you said they are resurrected to be thrown into the fire. No you did not say that, but many people do believe that.
No, the payment is only "in Christ", it is not available to those outside Christ, just as the High Priest's sacrifices were applicable to the Nation of Israel, not the other nations.
I never thought or said you should "worry". That is not relevant.
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In my view, which I have not completely worked out, those who do not accept and walk by Christ will have to pay for their own sins. They owe God a debt of glory. "We have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." Jesus says "you will not get out of there until you have paid the uttermost farthing", and "it will be more tolerable for Sodom on that day"--this infers gradations of penalty based upon severity of the crime/sin. If this is true, then people will have to "glorify God" (pay their debt of glory) by revealing God's wrath, which glorifies God, by being objects of wrath, until they finish "paying" what they "owe".
Some cannot ever get out because their sins are unpardonable--there is no end to God's offense with them.
Then the scriptures are a lie about Jesus paying for everyone sins, and not just those who believe.
No, it's not a lie, it's just not as you understand!
Anyone could join Israel, but that doesn't mean that they had joined Israel.
Today, anyone can join themselves to Christ, but that doesn't mean they have.
Because of what Jesus did, he is going make everyone alive again... at the end of life. He took care of their sins whether they believe or they do not believe. You can receive deliverance by accepting, however, what he did on the cross can never be removed away. It was a payment for sin one time, for all people believer or unbeliever.
And his payment for sin still stands for them, regardless if they accept him or not.
I agree with people abiding in Christ, building up their spiritual body while they are here working out their own salvation with fear and trembeling. Living by the spirit and not so much of the flesh. However, at the end of an unbelievers life Yahava is gonna give them a spiritual body as well...
I believe that 100%.
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God's "cup of wrath" AGAINST sin.... fell on Jesus = on the Cross.
This is why Jesus asked Father God before He went to the Cross...>"Father, If possible let this CUP.... pass from me".....
It was possible. All Jesus had to do was not go to the Cross.
But Jesus, loves us so much, and wanted to do "your will father, that will do".... that He suffered and suffered and died for you and me.
The Judgement for our sin, for the entire sin of the world.. "is the CUP of God's wrath against sin, that is the torture that Jesus went through, and finally died.
Our bible says that Jesus was "marred beyond recognition".. before He even carried the Cross of our sin to Calvary.
This means the beating He took before the scourging.. = his FACE was so harmed, .. so beaten, , so swollen, brutally ruined.. .that Jesus The LORD... was un-recognizable,.... and THEN they made Him carry that Cross for a while, before He was nailed to it, for ALL our sin.
That's our SAVIOR.
Thank you Jesus.
There is noone like you, Lord. !!
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No, Jesus's life He laid down only applies to His "friends", and His "friends" are those who "do whatever He tells them to"--ie, those who abide in Christ.
So, Jesus's life He laid down, paying for others' sins, doesn't apply to those who disobey Him.
It's not difficult to understand.
John 15
13Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.
14You are My friends if you do what I command you.
No he did not take the cup of wrath. He took the cup of suffering which is different. IT doesn't make sense for the Father to pour out his wrath on his son. What was he angry about with him?
Jesus laid down his life for his Father, and the whole world, @GracePeace. I will continue to believe what I want, until proven wrong, and I might change my mind.
Well, then, Scripture is a lie.
His life He laid down saves people from God's wrath, but those who do not believe "will not see life but God's wrath abides on them."
You have your own belief, but it isn't perfectly Christian, since it rejects Scripture.
Judaism is literally a religion that teaches that tenet--that the life of an innocent takes away the sins of the guilty. That is God's idea.
You can believe any lie you want, true, and I'll believe Scripture which I have shown to you.
I just dont rely solely on sola scriptura. I am not worried about if you believe I am right or wrong. I am just stating that Jesus Christ ... laid his life down for the Father, adn the whole world. Otherwise the Gentiles would have never been brought in... So sorry if you are offended by your already held on to belief, I believe it is wrong to discredit the death of Jesus to only believers... when he did it for all.
And I am not worried that you are not worried--I believe Scripture what I showed you. You reject God's Word. That's fine. "I'm not worried" as you say.
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