A heretical teaching dismantled with the help of Paul the Evangelist.

[David in NJ]

(The Encounter Team will be mainly focused in the area of fellowship. Our desire is to raise the level of fellowship within the community and fostering an environment that will bring a much needed boost to Christianity Board and a friendlier face to our Christian community.)

Marymog, and I suspect @BreadOfLife @Illuminator @Philip James, ain't feeling that friendlier face of fellowship from Taken when he compares the Catholic rosery to the devil's deception.

What say you BOL, Illuminator and Philip?

the LORD JESUS CHRIST denounced the rosary beads as from the devil's deception - Matthew 6:5-7

And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward. But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly.
And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words.

 

[Taken]

Hey Jim C,

I have heard many different takes from Protestants like you on when the Catholic Church "started". Some of your fellow Protestants say it started in the 1st century but was corrupted by the 3rd century. Some say it got started by Constantine.

What say you?

Mary

First century.
Christ’s Church Began with the Jews.

Jewish Apostles spreading out teaching, Jewish disciples following along also spreading out….Preaching to Jews, Preaching in Synagogs..

Gentiles were hearing about this “happening”, some were interested, some were not.

Ignatius is not mentioned in Scripture. Likely he was a Gentile, among other Gentiles who were curious what Jewish men were teaching.
Some Gentiles dismissed the teaching, some followed along listening, some returned to their domicile repeating what they are heard.

Antioch was a “hot-bed” village/town, of Jewish Apostles preaching, disciples gathering, Jews for the preaching, Jews against the preaching, Gentiles listening, Gentiles believing, Gentiles not believing….

Needless to say, A CLASH of beliefs and A CLASH of some Jews Disturbed by what JEWS and GENTILES were saying about THEIR GOD!

Ignatius is never mentioned in Scripture As any important figure in Antioch.

One LOCAL building in Antioch…called a CHURCH?
Likely NOT.

Little groups of men, gathered here, gathered there….Most Likely.

Would it be BELIEVABLE for ONE or TWO to be speaking to small gatherings? Sure.

Could Gentile Ignatius have preached (spoken) to any groups of men IN Antioch?
Sure.

Was Rome STILL the governing Empire? Yes.
Did Roman soldiers scout the lands and try to oppress OUTSPOKEN men regarding the Jewish man called Christ Jesus? Yes.

Does Catholics claim to have LETTERS written BY Ignatius speaking of his desire to spread the teaching of Christ Jesus?

Appears so.
Does it appear, Ignatius was accosted in Antioch (likely by Roman soldiers) and taken to Rome to face consequence for Preaching Christ Jesus?
According to Catholics.

Do Catholics believe Ignatius was sentenced to death, and that sentence carried out in Rome? Appears so.

Do Catholics believe Ignatius died about 110AD? Appears so.

Did Ignatius (in his letters mention the term CATHOLIC?) Appears so.

Did Ignatius (in his letter CALL HIMSELF:
A Bishop…or The First Bishop of Antioch?
No clue, Catholics don’t say.

What Catholics DO SAY, IS: Ignatius WAS the first Bishop of Antioch?

I highly DOUBT an “image of a Church Building, and one Gentile man named Ignatius was the Bishop of THAT Church.”

And I highly DOUBT the supposed letters Ignatius wrote while being escorted FROM Antioch TO Rome….(as a prisoner)….
were happily received by the Roman guards and sent out FOR Ignatius.

Common sense….Ignatius was supposedly being taken to Rome for execution for speaking Favoring Christ Jesus….and then the Romans are going to send out his letters…..speaking in Favor of Christ Jesus?

Doubt it.

And also believe it more likely, Catholic men decided AFTER the fact…
To bestow the title of FIRST BISHOP of ANTIOCH upon Ignatius.
(Same as they DID with Simon Peter, after the fact bestow the title of FIRST BISHOP of. Rome, FIRST POPE.)

So who established Christ’s Church? Christ.
Who were the First members of Christ’s Church…the Apostles…and then the Jewish Disciples…and thereafter some Gentiles were Joining and some Jews were deflecting.

And when did a group of Gentiles decide “their” Church should be called “Catholic”, some where about after the death of Ignatius ….about 110 AD, or otherwise the beginning of the 2nd Century…

And thus for 1st Century, the Jewish Apostles, the Jewish Disciples, were the First teachers of Christ’s church.

 

[amigo de christo]

Says the member who never posts scripture

I know you dont , but why on earth are you saying this about you for all to see . Lambs will know
and lambs will know NEVER SIT UNDER A HARLOT . rather they will expose the doctrine of the harlot .
I have watched YOU , TWIST SCRIPS to JUISTFY THE HARLOTS teachings .
Its quite depressing to watch it . I have watched others bring scrips to you as well
Only to watch you TWIST IT TOO . PRETZEL DOCTRINES save none .

 

[amigo de christo]

Then give them ...........

HE has , just as i did too , just as have others , ONLY YE OMIT THEM and try to explain away
the scrips in order to justify the HARLOT .
WE showed and told you , more than once , only you keep on twisting stuff to fit the teachings of the harlot .
THINK not that i accuse you , nor that i think the prostestant realm is okay either .
MANY DECIEVERS ABOUND NOW . who have infected The realm of what men consider christendom .
BIBLE TIME . let all FLEE the voice of the harlot .

 

[amigo de christo]

Christ’s church is with-IN me.
Christ IS His Church.
Christ’s Church is without observation.
You can NOT SEE Christ’s Church.
Correct, where ever I am, so also is Christ’s Church.
Any time, of Any day or night, I CAN Praise, Worship, Pray to, Ask, Bless, Hear from, the Lord God Almighty.


Your Church is the Catholic Church.
Your Church is man-made.
Your Church a person CAN SEE.


1 Cor 3:
[16] Know ye not that ye (CONVERTED, SANCTIFIED, SAVED, BORN AGAIN Men) are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

And how is what marymog believes any different than many in the prostestant realm . like jw , and others .
THE HARLOT has not rested . SHE has infected many a church .
YES you are correct my friend . THE CHURCH is the people . Of course we know we can gather at a building , or a hill
a cave or wherever . but as you said , THE CHURCH ITSELF , the BODY , THE TEMPLE
are the peoples . where GOD and the LAMB ARE THE TEMPLE .
the problem is marymog gonna eat your lunch , cause on some things you are saying in other places
Just aint quite adding up to SCRIPTURE . i have watched folks debate the HARLOT for years
and yet if our doctrine is off , and not completely biblical , IT JUST wont do a lick of good .
SO the call now is , WE GOTTA GET IN THE BIBLE FOR OURSELVES . THEN we can see clearly to expose the HARLOT
and to help any and all who has even a speck of the harlot in their eye . ITS TIME we BIBLED UP for ourselves .
Now on this statement you just made , YOU ARE CORRECT . REMEMBER the ENTIRE BIBLE Is for our good .

 

[Taken]

And how is what marymog believes any different than many in the prostestant realm . like jw , and others .
REMEMBER the ENTIRE BIBLE Is for our good .

Basic…brief

What marymog believes is according to her own will to choose, same as others, who pronounce their following after whatever men they choose.

Christ started the Church. Jews and other (tribesmen) were the first members.

It is nothing new from the beginning. Hebrews / Israel were the first God divided, to hear God, believe God, and teach the world. Hebrews /Israel FIRST, then the Gentiles whom God divided.

That FAILED. Jesus came to do the same thing, and did. He taught Jews First and sent them to teach the tribes of Israel….

And divided again, when pressures from the “LONG ROBED JEWS”….again felt their position, power, would be diminished, the synagogues quit fellowshipping with Gentiles, and went back to the OT Laws.

Gentiles began building churches, and worshiping, men, women, children.

Rome was still an Empire but the Empire had its problems too…power struggles…nothing new….a split east and west…still individuals deciding their beliefs. Many Gentiles favoring Christ Jesus’ teaching, others favoring men their god, idols their god, moon, stars, whatever.

Roman Emperor Constantine favored Christianity.
A group of Christians hierarchy had chosen to Call themselves Catholics and their church buildings Catholic. Others just called themselves Christians.
And considering, Scrolls, scarce, Bibles non-existant, and illiteracy. The Bigger the Church, the more that went to Hear….very influential…they must be right!
Remembering their members could not read, nor verify. Just listen, believe, and do whatever ritual the Catholics dreamed up.
….Constantine commissioned building the First church called St. Peter’s. Construction from about 1500 to abt 1625.
….The clerics, Popes, wielded much influence over the Emperor, (sort of like the wealthy barrons having great influence with kings). (Sort of like today, Lobbyists openly (yet corruptly) influencing Law makers)….Money had/has clout.

Every time a governing power….Churches, kings, Governments can be bought with money…that institution is at its beginning of falling.

The Catholic Church split….the Emperors fade away….the Empire falls….

Every Catholic has their allegiance to “their revolving leader” the pope, the bishop of Rome, the Roman Catholic Church….
With clauses…they are not ALL Roman Catholics, some are Orthodox, some other “churches” called by other names are also by “writs rites” included.
A fancy way of saying “we are spit, but all one”…. (Oxymoron like much they teach imo).
“And it’s you PROTESTANTS that are splintered”…LOL

I was never a member of the Catholic Church, then decided to Protest the Catholic Church’s Teachings or Doings.
I disagree with a whole lot of key points that they teach and do….the Church itself and some of its individual members.

And as well, other Christian church’s disagree split off and go start another Church and decide a name for their Church….so what? Nothing new.

Just like the Catholic Gentiles, split off from Christ’s Jewish Church, split from Roman Catholic to Orthodox, the Jews split from Christ’s Jewish Church back Mosaic Laws, worshiping in Synagogue's, taking their sin offerings of prayer on paper and putting them at the wailing wall, because they have no Temple.
Doesn’t really matter if at a building, a house, a park, wherever, IF a person is in Belief of the Lord God Almighty, Heartfully Confessed His Belief, worshiping Him, Praising Him…
He is saved, quickened, IN Christ and my brother IN Christ.

( and did not Mention…the People regarding Paul who was expressly sent to teach the Jews, the kings and the Gentiles.)

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[amigo de christo]

Basic…brief

What marymog believes is according to her own will to choose, same as others, who pronounce their following after whatever men they choose.

Christ started the Church. Jews and other (tribesmen) were the first members.

It is nothing new from the beginning. Hebrews / Israel were the first God divided, to hear God, believe God, and teach the world. Hebrews /Israel FIRST, then the Gentiles whom God divided.

That FAILED. Jesus came to do the same thing, and did. He taught Jews First and sent them to teach the tribes of Israel….

And divided again, when pressures from the “LONG ROBED JEWS”….again felt their position, power, would be diminished, the synagogues quit fellowshipping with Gentiles, and went back to the OT Laws.

Gentiles began building churches, and worshiping, men, women, children.

Rome was still an Empire but the Empire had its problems too…power struggles…nothing new….a split east and west…still individuals deciding their beliefs. Many Gentiles favoring Christ Jesus’ teaching, others favoring men their god, idols their god, moon, stars, whatever.

Roman Emperor Constantine favored Christianity.
A group of Christians hierarchy had chosen to Call themselves Catholics and their church buildings Catholic. Others just called themselves Christians.
And considering, Scrolls, scarce, Bibles non-existant, and illiteracy. The Bigger the Church, the more that went to Hear….very influential…they must be right!
Remembering their members could not read, nor verify. Just listen, believe, and do whatever ritual the Catholics dreamed up.
….Constantine commissioned building the First church called St. Peter’s. Construction from about 1500 to abt 1625.
….The clerics, Popes, wielded much influence over the Emperor, (sort of like the wealthy barrons having great influence with kings). (Sort of like today, Lobbyists openly (yet corruptly) influencing Law makers)….Money had/has clout.

Every time a governing power….Churches, kings, Governments can be bought with money…that institution is at its beginning of falling.

The Catholic Church split….the Emperors fade away….the Empire falls….

Every Catholic has their allegiance to “their revolving leader” the pope, the bishop of Rome, the Roman Catholic Church….
With clauses…they are not ALL Roman Catholics, some are Orthodox, some other “churches” called by other names are also by “writs rites” included.
A fancy way of saying “we are spit, but all one”…. (Oxymoron like much they teach imo).
“And it’s you PROTESTANTS that are splintered”…LOL

I was never a member of the Catholic Church, then decided to Protest the Catholic Church’s Teachings or Doings.
I disagree with a whole lot of key points that they teach and do….the Church itself and some of its individual members.

And as well, other Christian church’s disagree split off and go start another Church and decide a name for their Church….so what? Nothing new.

Just like the Catholic Gentiles, split off from Christ’s Jewish Church, split from Roman Catholic to Orthodox, the Jews split from Christ’s Jewish Church back Mosaic Laws, worshiping in Synagogue's, taking their sin offerings of prayer on paper and putting them at the wailing wall, because they have no Temple.
Doesn’t really matter if at a building, a house, a park, wherever, IF a person is in Belief of the Lord God Almighty, Heartfully Confessed His Belief, worshiping Him, Praising Him…
He is saved, quickened, IN Christ and my brother IN Christ.

( and did not Mention…the People regarding Paul who was expressly sent to teach the Jews, the kings and the Gentiles.)

Glory to God,
Taken

Hands up and let the glorious LORD be praised . The lambs shall point to CHRIST JESUS .

 

[BreadOfLife]

(The Encounter Team will be mainly focused in the area of fellowship. Our desire is to raise the level of fellowship within the community and fostering an environment that will bring a much needed boost to Christianity Board and a friendlier face to our Christian community.)

Marymog, and I suspect @BreadOfLife @Illuminator @Philip James, ain't feeling that friendlier face of fellowship from Taken when he compares the Catholic rosery to the devil's deception.

What say you BOL, Illuminator and Philip?

@Taken is just another anti-Catholic troll who vomits out the same nonsense - even after being repeatedly corrected.

 

[Taken]

Beware of Imposters…

Quite positive Jesus is not posting on this forum.

John 6:
[35] And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life:

 

[BreadOfLife]

Whatever the RCC may have been when it started, it has long since been thoroughly corrupted by Satan.
It is a dog and pony show set up to appeal to the masses -- making them feel that they're "being religious" through the use of pomp, pageantry, ritual and idolatry; none of which have any support in scripture.

You sound EXACTLY like Judas, who whined and complained that Lazarus’s sister Mary “wasted” an expensive jar if perfumed oil on Jesus (John 12:1-8).

Does Jesus agree with him that this was too much “pomp and pageantry”??
NO – He defended the woman and rebuked Judas for NOT understanding that we must give our BEST to God. Glorifying God isn’t about “idolatry” or “pomp” as YOU falsely and ignorantly assert.

This is why Catholic churches are so beautiful and ornate compared to Protestant meeting halls.

 

[Illuminator]

You sound EXACTLY like Judas, who whined and complained that Lazarus’s sister Mary “wasted” an expensive jar if perfumed oil on Jesus (John 12:1-8).

Does Jesus agree with him that this was too much “pomp and pageantry”??
NO – He defended the woman and rebuked Judas for NOT understanding that we must give our BEST to God. Glorifying God isn’t about “idolatry” or “pomp” as YOU falsely and ignorantly assert.

This is why Catholic churches are so beautiful and ornate compared to Protestant meeting halls.

Whatever the RCC may have been when it started, it has long since been thoroughly corrupted by Satan.
Yes, we've heard that before. The Bible says that is impossible. A kingdom divided against itself cannot stand. "long since been thoroughly corrupted by Satan" is similar rhetoric from Lenin, Marx, the SDA, JW"S, and a long list of bizarre "Bible Christian" cults that have popped up recently.

BEWARE OF ALEXANDER HISLOP AND HISLOPITES ON THE FORUM​

further reading: The Two Babylons: A Case Study in Poor Methodology​

 

[Marymog]

@Taken is just another anti-Catholic troll who vomits out the same nonsense - even after being repeatedly corrected.

I have come to realize that @Taken is one of those anti-Catholic crusaders. My main concern is that he/she is a member of the encounter team who is supposed to foster fellowship. The opposite is happening with him/her.

 

[Marymog]

First century.
Christ’s Church Began with the Jews.

Jewish Apostles spreading out teaching, Jewish disciples following along also spreading out….Preaching to Jews, Preaching in Synagogs..

Gentiles were hearing about this “happening”, some were interested, some were not.

Ignatius is not mentioned in Scripture. Likely he was a Gentile, among other Gentiles who were curious what Jewish men were teaching.
Some Gentiles dismissed the teaching, some followed along listening, some returned to their domicile repeating what they are heard.

Antioch was a “hot-bed” village/town, of Jewish Apostles preaching, disciples gathering, Jews for the preaching, Jews against the preaching, Gentiles listening, Gentiles believing, Gentiles not believing….

Needless to say, A CLASH of beliefs and A CLASH of some Jews Disturbed by what JEWS and GENTILES were saying about THEIR GOD!

Ignatius is never mentioned in Scripture As any important figure in Antioch.

One LOCAL building in Antioch…called a CHURCH?
Likely NOT.

Little groups of men, gathered here, gathered there….Most Likely.

Would it be BELIEVABLE for ONE or TWO to be speaking to small gatherings? Sure.

Could Gentile Ignatius have preached (spoken) to any groups of men IN Antioch?
Sure.

Was Rome STILL the governing Empire? Yes.
Did Roman soldiers scout the lands and try to oppress OUTSPOKEN men regarding the Jewish man called Christ Jesus? Yes.

Does Catholics claim to have LETTERS written BY Ignatius speaking of his desire to spread the teaching of Christ Jesus?

Appears so.
Does it appear, Ignatius was accosted in Antioch (likely by Roman soldiers) and taken to Rome to face consequence for Preaching Christ Jesus?
According to Catholics.

Do Catholics believe Ignatius was sentenced to death, and that sentence carried out in Rome? Appears so.

Do Catholics believe Ignatius died about 110AD? Appears so.

Did Ignatius (in his letters mention the term CATHOLIC?) Appears so.

Did Ignatius (in his letter CALL HIMSELF:
A Bishop…or The First Bishop of Antioch?
No clue, Catholics don’t say.

What Catholics DO SAY, IS: Ignatius WAS the first Bishop of Antioch?

I highly DOUBT an “image of a Church Building, and one Gentile man named Ignatius was the Bishop of THAT Church.”

And I highly DOUBT the supposed letters Ignatius wrote while being escorted FROM Antioch TO Rome….(as a prisoner)….
were happily received by the Roman guards and sent out FOR Ignatius.

Common sense….Ignatius was supposedly being taken to Rome for execution for speaking Favoring Christ Jesus….and then the Romans are going to send out his letters…..speaking in Favor of Christ Jesus?

Doubt it.

And also believe it more likely, Catholic men decided AFTER the fact…
To bestow the title of FIRST BISHOP of ANTIOCH upon Ignatius.
(Same as they DID with Simon Peter, after the fact bestow the title of FIRST BISHOP of. Rome, FIRST POPE.)

So who established Christ’s Church? Christ.
Who were the First members of Christ’s Church…the Apostles…and then the Jewish Disciples…and thereafter some Gentiles were Joining and some Jews were deflecting.

And when did a group of Gentiles decide “their” Church should be called “Catholic”, some where about after the death of Ignatius ….about 110 AD, or otherwise the beginning of the 2nd Century…

And thus for 1st Century, the Jewish Apostles, the Jewish Disciples, were the First teachers of Christ’s church.

Oh goodness....there is A LOT to unpack, debunk and question in your post. I sincerely hope we can find some fellowship and common ground here.

Question: Christian history (you falsely say Catholic history) teaches that Ignatius was a student of the Apostle John. If your interpretation of Scripture is OPPOSITE of Ignatius interpretation, whom should I believe: Your or him?

Debunk: History and historical scholars teach us that Ignatius letters were distributed to the faithful. You give your opinion and say "common sense" sense that the Romans would not allow that to happen and that you "doubt it". History debunks you, that is unless you have evidence to back up your 'common sense' OPINION?

You say that, 'the Jewish Apostles, the Jewish Disciples, were the First teachers of Christ’s church.' but you also reject one of those "First teachers of Christ's church; Ignatius! How do you justify that?

Mary

 

[Marymog]

Mary, the ENTIRE BIBLE does not apply to me. When you ask me, how I would respond to something that does not apply to me…
There is nothing applicable to respond to.

Matthew 18:15-16 applies to you but Matthew 18:17 doesn't apply to you?

 

[Marymog]

My soul was SAVED ONCE, and will never again require saving.

My spirit was QUICKENED ONCE, and will never again require Quickening.

My SIN against God was FORGIVEN ONCE, and will never again require repeating.

Hmmmmm.....So Paul said there is reserved for him the crown of righteousness AFTER he fought the good fight, finished the race and kept the faith. He seems to be saying it was a fight and that he had to keep the faith till the end. You seem to be saying (not putting words in your mouth) opposite of that. The way I understand your interpretation of Scripture is that once you are saved and forgiven you never need to be saved or forgiven again.

How does your OSAS interpretation of Scripture line up with Paul's fighting for, racing for and keeping the faith to obtain salvation?

Curious Mary

 

[Marymog]

I fellowship with brothers IN Christ.
I do not have a common ground with BOL or YOU, who both excessively SPEAK FOR OTHERS (what they have NOT themselves SAID, nor BELIEVE)….then AFTER SPEAKING FOR THEM….you/BOL….then give your DISAPPROVAL (AS IF THE OTHER HAD SAID WHAT YOU SAID FOR THEM)….

THAT IS GASLIGHTING….

And begins with a making up a LIE and trying to make another BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE LIE.

STOP speaking for others!!

Illuminator and I differences, so what?
He is not rude, crude, nor speaks FOR others.

Philip is a dear friend. His is Catholic, and we differences, but we also have common ground.

So when I ask you to use Scripture to back up what you believe that is gaslighting?

Curious Mary

 

[Marymog]

It appears you must repeatedly ask for Forgiveness…and about your soul….some people believe they have to KEEP doing “something/ works”, to KEEP their soul saved.

Forgiveness is not a one-time deal Taken. If you read Scripture, you would know that.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If/When we forgive others their trespasses, our heavenly Father will also forgive us. And whenever we stand praying, forgive, if you have anything against anyone, so that your Father also who is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. No matter how often my brother sins against me I must forgive him seventy-seven times.

Notice how I use Scripture to back up what I believe, and you don't?

 

[Marymog]

Beware of Imposters…

Quite positive Jesus is not posting on this forum.

John 6:
[35] And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life:

Hey taken,

What else did Jesus say in John 6 about being the bread of life?

unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.

How do YOU eat His flesh and drink His blood?

Or does that passage, as you previously said, not apply to you?

Curious Mary

 

[Marymog]

And Does the tv / movies portray the Catholic Church rightly… “catholic” men who plot against others, steal, covet, rape, whatever, can simply run to a Priest, tell him his dirty deeds, and the priest assures that man is forgiven….but NOT once asks or is forgiven by the one he Trespassed Against?

I get it Taken.....You are a vile anti-Catholic. You have made that point very clear. You don't need to keep repeating it and degrading us to make your point. It doesn't help in fellowship....of which you are to be a leader in.

Since you don't know Catholic teaching or Scripture, I will teach you both.

Scripture teaches that we can forgive the sins of those that trespass against us. If the person that forgives me is a thief, coverts, rapist etc., does that mean that their forgiveness of me is not valid?

Scripture also teaches that a man can, thru the power of the Holy Spirit, forgive us our sins (John 20:23). Jesus sent men out to do just that (vs 21). The Church does not teach that the priest has the POWER to forgive the sin, just the authority thru Christ to forgive them. Only God can forgive a sin. Those men that have that authority (given to them by Christ) are the elders OR priest OR leaders in our Church. And us Christians that follow Scripture believe we are to obey our church leaders since thy watch out for our souls (Hebrews 13:17). Who are your church leaders that look out for your soul Taken? Or does that passage not apply to you?

Hope that helps end your confusion.....Mary

PS: I know you do not believe there is a visible church therefor you have no elder that you can see OR obey OR go to so that you can fulfill Matthew 18:17 or bring oil to you if you are sick (James 5:14).

 

[Illuminator]

And Does the tv / movies portray the Catholic Church rightly… “catholic” men who plot against others, steal, covet, rape, whatever, can simply run to a Priest, tell him his dirty deeds, and the priest assures that man is forgiven….but NOT once asks or is forgiven by the one he Trespassed Against?

This is a sick diabolical view of the Sacrament of Reconciliation. Taken believes Hollywood but refuses to accept any explanations from Catholics. It makes any discussion pointless.