A few shall be left

[Timtofly]

I didn’t care before because I knew it was false doctrine when you Amils first explained it. I was just curious as to who started this false doctrine so I searched it online. And several sources says it was that Augustine of Hippo. If you think anyone is lying about that take it up with internet sources who posted it.

I really don’t care about who you think started it because I know it is not of the Truth. No lie is of the Truth.

It was put forth by heretical teachers such as Marcion. It seems some here think that by the time of Justin Martyr, it was acceptable by those not thought of as heretical.

Most of those who rejected a millennium, did so for carnal reasons. Not sure why Jesus physically on the earth reigning as King in Jerusalem is viewed as carnal?

Augustine of hippo just formed the doctrinal statement that the Catholic church accepted as not heretical. Augustine was a Premillennial most of his life, but was finally convinced by others who were Amillennials to change his stance.

I don't agree with you that "mortals" do live on the earth during the Millennium.

The firstfruits of the final harvest are the 144k. The Sheep of Matthew 25, and the Wheat (Gentile Nations) of Matthew 13 are the final harvest, during the Trumpets and Thunders. These people are who subdue the earth per Genesis 1:28-29, during the Day of the Lord. The church was placed in Paradise and told to wait. The church comes down as the New Jerusalem after the Day of the Lord.

This final harvest will have had 25 to 30 generations of offspring over the span of a thousand years. It will be the last generations who will number as the sand of the sea and will have settled the four corners of the earth, the furthest away from Jerusalem. These are whom Satan will target to decieve.

The promises in Daniel 9:24 will mean no sin, and no natural born sinners. Those who disobey will be more prone to do so before they reach 100 years after birth, still considered a child or immature, and considered cursed, ie abnormal. They will suffer the death penalty as disobedient to the Law. One time and it is over. No one will naturally die, as all alive at the end will transfer to the New Earth, and live outside of the New Jerusalem.

"And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it."

Amil do not accept a pre-trib Second Coming that allows Jesus to pick and choose who will inherit the earth and who will be cast into the LOF. Yet Scripture is clear that Jesus and the angels are on the earth while the sheep and wheat are being judged and translated out of death into life. They will physically be removed from Adam's dead corruptible flesh, and receive the first resurrection into a permanent incorruptible physical body. They will procreate and fill the earth.

It will be their great great..... grandchildren over 25 generations later, who will be deceived, and number as the sand of the sea. That first generation will never be able to disobey, as that would mean tossed into the LOF as the second death.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

It was put forth by heretical teachers such as Marcion. It seems some here think that by the time of Justin Martyr, it was acceptable by those not thought of as heretical.

It didn’t really matter to me who started it, because I know that it is of men and it is not of God.

I don't agree with you that "mortals" do live on the earth during the Millennium.

Those who are of the first resurrection are made equal to the angels in heaven, and they neither marry nor are given in marriage as Jesus said. That is why I do not believe it is the immortals that repopulate the earth because sexual relations outside of marriage is still considered sinful. So those who are repopulating the earth during the thousand years are the remnant of the mortals who were left after the cleansing by fire.

The firstfruits of the final harvest are the 144k.

The 144,000 “firstfruits” of Israel were redeemed when Jesus was resurrected. But I do believe there is to be a “double portion” of Israel to be redeemed at the second coming.

The promises in Daniel 9:24 will mean no sin, and no natural born sinners.

That prophecy is about Christs first coming.

Those who disobey will be more prone to do so before they reach 100 years after birth, still considered a child or immature, and considered cursed, ie abnormal.

Those who cannot cease from sin are called “cursed children“in scripture. So those who are sinning and dying during the millennium are mortals who can still sin and die.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It was put forth by heretical teachers such as Marcion. It seems some here think that by the time of Justin Martyr, it was acceptable by those not thought of as heretical.

You never have any idea of what you're talking about. And I mean literally never. It was taught from the beginning because it is taught in scripture.

In relation to his belief in premillennnialism, Justin Martyr wrote this in about 155 AD in his "Dialogue with Trypho":

"I and many others are of this opinion, and believe that such will take place ... but, on the other hand, many who belong to the pure and pious faith, and are true Christians, think otherwise.”.

So, it was not put forth by heretical teachers as you falsely claim.

 

[Timtofly]

Amils view the day of the Lord as the time when the Lord Jesus returns and gathers His people to Himself and renews the heavens and earth by fire which results in the eternal new heavens and new earth. That's what Peter said we are looking forward to in accordance with the promise of the Lord's second coming (2 Peter 3:13).

Except Jesus does not need time to do as you say. The Day of the Lord is not a process with an end result of all things new.

The Flood was not making a new earth. The Flood was cleansing away the wicked. The baptism of fire does not destroy the wicked, but does burn up all their works.

You keep avoiding the point Jesus does sit in judgment after the Second Coming, to judge living human beings, not that He kills them all first, and judges them as dead souls.

The fire does not renew. The fire cleanses away the works of man. The act of renewing is not until the end of the sounding of the 7th Trumpet. The baptism of fire is in the 5th and 6th Seal time frame. Jesus is on earth when the 144k are sealed to go through the Trumpets.

God is still judging those on earth while the 144k are sealed to not be affected by that judgment. Jesus is sitting in Jerusalem choosing who receives eternal life and tossing many alive, prior to physical death directly into the LOF. You seem to agree that as souls, they go into the LOF, but miss the point that Jesus is tossing them body and soul into the LOF.

The church cannot toss humans alive into the LOF. Only Jesus on the earth can do that. Matthew 13 does not say the church is sowing the seed. Verse 37 says Jesus is sowing the seed.

"He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;"

Jesus is on the earth with His angels after the Second Coming, not prior to the Second Coming. Matthew 25 does not say Jesus has been sitting on His glorious throne.

"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations:"

This judgment has not been ongoing since the Cross. This happens after the Second Coming. So people are still alive from all nations on the earth after the baptism of fire that happened when Jesus comes unexpectedly as a thief in the night. The Day of the Lord comes at the Second Coming. The Day of the Lord is complete, a thousand years later.

The Day of the Lord is not placing a limit on Jesus having authority as King of Kings. Jesus has always had that authority as King of Kings, having created everything in Genesis 1. The Day of the Lord is for humans to enjoy that authority on earth without sin and death. This Day of the Lord's rest is for humans, not God.

1 Corinthians 15:25 from Paul; points out Jesus must reign; not from my opinion.

"For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet."

John just points out that reign will continue another thousand years after the Second Coming. That is not limiting the reign of Christ, but telling us the reign will continue, after the Second Coming.

Paul never says the Second Coming is the end. Paul says "then cometh the end". The order of being made alive is at the Cross, at the Second Coming, and at the end. 3 different times.

"But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God"

The last thing Paul writes; is Jesus handing back the kingdom, made alive, after the Day of the Lord. Not handing back a burnt offering with creation destroyed. Made alive is hardly the same thing as everything destroyed by fire. You think the fire is the creation process, yet the earth cannot be made new, until the 70th week of Daniel is completed at the end of the days of the 7th Trumpet. That is clear in Revelation 10:6-7.

"And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets."

The 70th week is not over during the Seals, nor the first 6 Trumpets, nor the 7 Thunders. The restoration of Daniel 9:24 can only happen at the end of the 7th Trumpet. The 7th Trumpet does not announce a Second Coming, nor a baptism of fire. The 7th Trumpet declares the work of Jesus and His angels called the final harvest is over, and they have been on the earth during the final harvest. That harvest is complete, and now all nations have been brought under the authority of Jesus as King. All subjects have been redeemed and removed from Adam's dead corruptible flesh. Now those promises in Daniel 9:24 can be realized as pertaining to all creation, and that makes creation new and restored. That is the purpose of Jesus as the Prince to come to restore all things, while physically on earth, just as Jesus was physically on the earth as Messiah. The 7th Trumpet is declaring that work complete. The 7th Trumpet is declaring the 70th week has been finalized, as time no more.

"the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets"


Jesus does not hand creation back to God empty and void of humanity. Isaiah 65 describes a time of rebuilding and subduing the earth generation after generation. Where Adam failed in filling the Garden of Eden, Jesus will reign until Paradise is filled, and then reign on earth until a thousand years has passed as earth itself is filled again.

There is no logical human understanding why that "needs to be done". Scripture just points out it will happen.

Amil contradict their own position that there is no procreation in the NHNE, "the age to come", yet apply Isaiah 65 which is building and planting new houses and vineyards generation after generation, to that "age to come".

 

[Timtofly]

It didn’t really matter to me who started it, because I know that it is of men and it is not of God.

Those who are of the first resurrection are made equal to the angels in heaven, and they neither marry nor are given in marriage as Jesus said. That is why I do not believe it is the immortals that repopulate the earth because sexual relations outside of marriage is still considered sinful. So those who are repopulating the earth during the thousand years are the remnant of the mortals who were left after the cleansing by fire.

The 144,000 “firstfruits” of Israel were redeemed when Jesus was resurrected. But I do believe there is to be a “double portion” of Israel to be redeemed at the second coming.

That prophecy is about Christs first coming.

Those who cannot cease from sin are called “cursed children“in scripture. So those who are sinning and dying during the millennium are mortals who can still sin and die.

So you lean toward the preterist view of premillennialism like many amil are preterist as well?

No one "lives in sin" during the millennium. That is the whole point of Daniel 9:24. Daniel is not told there will be a partial "halfway" fulfillment of the 70 weeks. Only when the 70 weeks are accomplished with Israel, not the church, will those promises be a reality.

Jesus is both Messiah and Prince, not just Messiah.

There were only 12 disciples in the first century, not 144k. The 12 disciples were the firstfruits of the NT church. The 144k are the firstfruits of the Millennium Kingdom on the earth. The 144k are not the church, nor ever will be in this creation. The only sinners in the Day of the Lord will be dead ones. Once a person disobeys they are removed from life and placed into death. That is what happened to Adam. The difference was that Adam was allowed to keep living and spreading sin and death throughout creation. That will not happen in the Millennium Kingdom. No one will spread sin and death like Adam and Eve were allowed to do.

The Day of the Lord is not a process of rehabilitation. That has been the last 2 millennia, and look how well that has turned out. Those amil idealist of the second and third centuries thought the church would completely eradicate sin by the time the second coming happened. They thought that a future Day of Lord was unnecessary as being only carnal, and the Second Coming would just destroy those not of the church.

Pre-mill was never about giving sinners a second chance in a carnel setting that was perfect. That was never the point. The Second Coming was not about returning to the Law, nor animal sacrifices.

If one thinks the Day of the Lord is just more of the same sin infested creation we live in now, what is the point of Jesus reigning with an iron rod? Just to kill people for a thousand years?

Isaiah 65 is not inferring that babies are given a hundred year probation period to work out their disobedient nature.

Most pre-mill argue there are sinners, because who else could possibly be deceived at the end. But sinners cannot be deceived, as they are already in the state of deception that leads to rebellion. Being a sinner is being permanently dead and in rebellion to God. The only people at the end of the thousand years are perfect people without sin, who do listen to Satan and are deceived.

Eve was not deceived because she was already a sinner living in death. Eve was decieved because Satan convinced her she was missing out on life, by not being a sinner in a state of death. Satan was not all knowing when he deceived Eve. He literally did not know what would happen to Adam and Eve. That is the issue with the timing of when the angels themselves rebelled and disobeyed God. If that had not happened, then Satan had literally nothing to base Eve, nor Adam's result on, if they disobeyed God. And when the Angels rebelled, they did not die, but were locked away in chains of darkness with no chance of getting out. Satan just wanted the same disruption between Adam and God.

There does not have to be unsaved sinners living in the millennium to explain what happens at the end. That is carnal understanding. I think that there will only be a few out of 8 billion people who make it into the Day of the Lord. But they will be redeemed and changed from death to life. They will not remember sin and death, as all that are former conditions not remembered during the thousand years after the Second Coming.

 

[Timtofly]

You never have any idea of what you're talking about. And I mean literally never. It was taught from the beginning because it is taught in scripture.

In relation to his belief in premillennnialism, Justin Martyr wrote this in about 155 AD in his "Dialogue with Trypho":

"I and many others are of this opinion, and believe that such will take place ... but, on the other hand, many who belong to the pure and pious faith, and are true Christians, think otherwise.”.

So, it was not put forth by heretical teachers as you falsely claim.

Amil was taught in the beginning by heretics. Are you saying that every one else thought they were heretics except Justin Martyr? Why don't you post that Amil was taught by Marcion, who was a recognized heretic, instead of pretending that it came from Scripture?

Marcion was teaching Amil during the first half of the 2nd century. He rejected the future millennium as being a Jewish carnal dream.

He may not have had the exact same view as you, but he pointed out the spiritual aspect of the church, and rejected the restoration of Israel on earth just as you do.

I am not calling you a heretic. That is what people called Marcion who taught Amil.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

So you lean toward the preterist view of premillennialism like many amil are preterist as well?

I don’t follow the doctrines of men.

No one "lives in sin" during the millennium.

Isaiah 65:20 says people are still sinning and dying, so I believe the words of God…..
20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

That is the whole point of Daniel 9:24. Daniel is not told there will be a partial "halfway" fulfillment of the 70 weeks.

That 70 week prophecy is fulfilled.

There were only 12 disciples in the first century, not 144k.

The 144,000 that are already redeemed from the earth rose from their graves right after Jesus was resurrected, hence the title “firstfruits” of Israel being they were the “first” to be physically resurrected with Jesus.

Revelation 14

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14 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.”

 

[TribulationSigns]

LOL. I was just saying that the rest of the dead do not refer to those who have part in the first resurrection. The ones who have part in the first resurrection are specifically referred to in verse 4. So, "this is the first resurrection" refers back to those John described in verse 4 and not "the rest of the dead" he referenced in verse 5. That's all I was saying.

AGREED!

 

[Timtofly]

I don’t follow the doctrines of men.

Isaiah 65:20 says people are still sinning and dying, so I believe the words of God…..
20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

That 70 week prophecy is fulfilled.

The 144,000 that are already redeemed from the earth rose from their graves right after Jesus was resurrected, hence the title “firstfruits” of Israel being they were the “first” to be physically resurrected with Jesus.

Revelation 14​

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14 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.”

They will be dead. Do you consider dead people to still be sinning in death, or is sin only in this physical body?

God told Adam in the day he ate he would die. Death has always been the result of disobedience. That is Scripture from Genesis 2 and 3.

There is no sin, nor transgression in the Day of the Lord the complete fulfillment of Daniel 9:24. That is Scripture.

Isaiah 65 says:

"For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind."

No one will remember Adam's transgression nor the sin of the former heavens and earth. The only sinners in the Day of the Lord will be dead ones. One offence and it is instant death, just like God told Adam. No one will continue to live in death and keep sinning.

The 144k are Second Coming firstfruits, not first coming firstfruits. The 12 disciples were the firstfruits of the NT Covenant.

The 144k are firstfruits of the Millennium Kingdom, at the Second Coming.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

They will be dead. Do you consider dead people to still be sinning in death, or is sin only in this physical body?

There is a spiritual death and there is a physical death.

There is no sin,

Then why does the words of God say there are people still sinning and dying during the millennium?

No one will continue to live in death and keep sinning.

The last enemy to be destroyed is Death, and that does not happen until after the thousand years are completed.

The 144k are Second Coming firstfruits, not first coming firstfruits.

Do you know anything about harvesting crops? The first thing harvested is called the first fruits, not the last thing harvested.

The feast of the first fruits has been fulfilled already.

Romans 2:10
But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

 

[Timtofly]

There is a spiritual death and there is a physical death.

Then why does the words of God say there are people still sinning and dying during the millennium?

The last enemy to be destroyed is Death, and that does not happen until after the thousand years are completed.

Do you know anything about harvesting crops? The first thing harvested is called the first fruits, not the last thing harvested.

The feast of the first fruits has been fulfilled already.

Romans 2:10
But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

Do you know the difference between disobedience and the curse of sin, when it came to Adam?

Was Adam a sinner and constantly sinning prior to eating from the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil?

If you understand that point, you will understand the Millennial Kingdom.

 

[Timtofly]

Do you know anything about harvesting crops? The first thing harvested is called the first fruits, not the last thing harvested.

Do you know the difference between the heavenly kingdom of God, and the earthly kingdom of Christ the King after the Second Coming?

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Was Adam a sinner and constantly sinning prior to eating from the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil?

Was Adam naked before he ate from the tree of knowledge to know good from evil?

 

[Timtofly]

Was Adam naked before he ate from the tree of knowledge to know good from evil?

His physical body was covered by his spirit. They did not wear clothes, but as for being naked, they were clothed by their spirit.

The verse said:

"And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed."

Yes, they were naked, except for that spirit covering them. It was not like they could take off their spirit, and put it in a closet.

So when Adam disobeyed, what was different?

"And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked... And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself."

How were they naked other than the fact they no longer had the spirit covering their physical body? They did not want God to see them in their new condition of death without a spirit. Thus they tried to substitute that spirit with leaves sown together.

Even today, being naked and married is not a problem, so why did they "think" their nakedness would be an issue with God? Do you think they suddenly gained some spiritual insite that would contradict what was true even today, knowledge wise? That is being naked and married without shame. They did not get a divorce when Adam disobeyed God. If as it states their eyes were opened, they no longer could see they had a spirit covering their body. That would be physical and why they tried to cover up with physical leaves. They could now see their physical body, without the covering of the spirit. I don't think they could tell they had different bodies, but they did. They no longer had a permanent incorruptible physical body, but a temporal corruptible physical body of death.

That would be explained to them by God, when He pointed out the punishment each would receive.

But you avoided the whole question I asked. Was Adam created a sinner and constantly sinning other than that one command not to eat? When did sin enter creation and when will it leave? Sin did not enter until punishment was administered.

"cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return."

That is the punishment of sin and death.

The millennium has Adam's transgression removed. There is no sin, nor death, nor even decay. There will be no thorns and thistles, and it will be like the First Day of the Lord prior to Adam's disobedience. There were no sinners then, and there will be no sinners during the Last Day of the Lord.

That is the promise of Daniel 9:24:

"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy."

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Yes, they were naked, except for that spirit covering them. It was not like they could take off their spirit, and put it in a closet.

When they ate from the Tree of knowledge to know good from evil, only then could they SEE their nakedness. They were naked prior to eating from it, just as sinners cannot SEE their sin until the law came and exposed their nakedness.

 

[Timtofly]

When they ate from the Tree of knowledge to know good from evil, only then could they SEE their nakedness. They were naked prior to eating from it, just as sinners cannot SEE their sin until the law came and exposed their nakedness.

They did not see their nakedness when Eve ate, so that logic is pointless. They only saw their nakedness when Adam disobeyed God, and they physically and spiritually died.

Don't you think Adam would have noticed Eve differently after she ate? Would Eve had seen Adam differently before he ate? Obviously nothing happened when Eve touched the fruit. And nothing happened when Eve ate the fruit. Something happened because Adam disobeyed God - death happened.

"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men."

"For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners,"

Eve died because Adam disobeyed God, and the punishment was death. And that death was passed on to Eve when Adam ate. The command was not given to Eve. The command was given to Adam. Adam may have told Eve not to touch it, but there was no penalty involved from Adam if Eve would ever touch it. Adam would not kill Eve for touching it.

The popular claim is that they would gain knowledge. And that claim comes straight from Satan. Why would you go with the lies of Satan? This is the knowledge they gained:

"And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil."

They now knew about evil as they were placed into death. They were dead spiritually and lost all that was perfect. They lost the permanent incorruptible physical body. So the only thing they gained from eating was the knowledge of death, along with a few good things about creation, as even creation was placed under the bondage of death and constant sin.

This is Satan's deception:

"Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil."

Satan pointed out that "opened eyes" is the same as an experience. They did physically die, as they went from having life, to a physical body without life, only death.

Why would Eve not understand they were already sons of God, and there were no gods? Eve was deceived because she thought she was missing out on something that God was withholding. They were already as gods. The only thing they lacked was death. They lacked the knowledge of evil. I think that even Satan lacked the knowledge of what death was. Satan was never placed in death, or under death. If the angels had already rebelled, a big if, all they got was being placed in the pit, in chains of darkness. They were not placed in death. They were literally confined in darkness in the heart of the earth unable to do anything for the last almost 6,000 years.

Eve was deceived that the tree would make her wise. Eve did not die, when she touched the fruit, nor when she ate the fruit, and she certainly did not suddenly realize that she was naked. They already knew that before:

"And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed."

They knew they were naked and were not ashamed. Obviously when they lost their spirit, they hid, because they did not want God to see them in their new condition without a spirit and with a body that was now of death and corruptible (evil).

They were ashamed after being placed into death, because now they knew good from evil. Not that the tree gave them that knowledge. The physical change from life to death as the result of Adam's disobedience, gave them immediate shame and guilt for Adam's disobedience. The experience of death opened their eyes. The loss of their spirit left their nakedness exposed. It was a physical knowing from experience, not a mental "gift" in their minds.

Had there been no change, why would they hide? Having knowledge in their head would not cause them to hide their unchanged physical look. Leaves would not cover up their thoughts in their heads. It was not knowledge that changed their perspective. It was being placed in physical and spiritual death, that literally changed their physical appearance, and that caused them to know what they could not know before, shame.

They knew evil because they now had a corruptible physical body, wanting more than just wisdom, but now every sin known to mankind. The lust of the flesh was not part of their former physical body. That all came with their new body of corruption. Death and disobedience caused them to not want to be in God's presence.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

They did not see their nakedness when Eve ate, so that logic is pointless.

They both saw their nakedness…
Genesis 3:7
And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

The command was not given to Eve. The command was given to Adam.

It was given to both…

Genesis 3:2-3

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2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

The popular claim is that they would gain knowledge.

They did gain knowledge, they gained the knowledge of sin. That is why they could now see the shame of their nakedness. Just as by the law we see the shame of sin.

This is Satan's deception:

"Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil."

That is the lie that is still being preached today by the serpents seed. That you can sin against Gods commands and not die.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

I believe the Tree of knowledge to know good from evil, was given to us as a sign of the natural law of God.

Romans 3:20
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. (like the tree of knowledge to know good from evil)

When we ate from the tree of the law (knowledge to know good from evil) we then were madeaware of our sins, and then our eyes were opened to sin, and we then saw our own nakedness; just like Adam and Eve.

That knowledge of what we once thought was good for us became death to usbecause of sin, just as the Lord said; the day you eat of it, surely you shall die.(being dead in our trespasses)

Romans 6:23;"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

It was not the fruit of the tree of knowledge that was death to us, just as the law of God is not sin or death. But rather it was the sinful nature that workedin our members by the desires of the flesh, motivated by the spirit of this world; which spirit also worked in our old fleshyminded man.

Just as by the first Adam sin entered into the world and death by sin, we also are all firstborn fleshand under the law of sin and death. (for all have sinned)

Romans 7:5;"For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work inour members to bring forth fruit unto death."

So even though we once thought the natural law of God was life to us, we being evil by nature were deceived, and the natural law (the knowledge to know good from evil) became death to us by reason of our own sins. For without the law sin was dead.

And the serpent knew this, so the serpent used the command of God against Adam and Eve to bring forth death. For sin is transgressing the law of God. God said thou shalt not, or you will die....the Serpent said you shall, and not die; thereby deceiving man.

Romans 7:11;"For sin taking occassion by the commandment, decieved me, and by itslew me."

Just as the serpent by the lie (sin) took occasionby God's commandment, and deceived woman and man, and therefore the sin of disobeying the commandmentbrought forth the wage of sin, which isdeath.

But thank God for the mercy He showed us in the spiritual Tree of Life, which is offered to all of us who believe in the remission of our sins through the offering of Jesus Christ our Lord, the very Word of Life made flesh.

Genesis 3:22 “And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:
and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, andlive for ever:

Amen