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lol wow you brought that debate here too lol. I won't say anything since that topic is actually banned on this board. I'm on a lot of boards. See you around! ;)

Under the premise of Calvin's TULIP it wouldn't matter if someone lives like the devil or not because they are elected and are predestined to eventually persevere because the P doesn't stand alone in Calvinism. It takes the whole point out of doing anything if God is pulling all of the strings...

It's probably a bit of a mixed bag. God spoke directly to the prophets. They transcribed the things God told them and the events that surrounded those revelations. Other times, the authors recorded some personal commentary that weren't necessarily things God had said, but was good spiritual...

I am aware of the symbolism in Revelation and there is actually a lot more than what you provided. If something is demonstrably not symbolic elsewhere in Scripture then it follows it's not symbolic if it's mentioned in Revelation 12. That's why I am talking about the specific falling of Satan as...

Ditto.

You're suggesting a completely symbolic meaning to interpret the plain text reading of what Jesus said and what John wrote in Revelation. For starters, the plain text reading is the easier, more common sense, reading of Satan falling "like lightning" from heaven. When the word "like" is used...

No issues here. I disagree with you and have all of the Biblical evidence I need for Satan not falling until a future time. Jesus was speaking prophetically. Yes, it means the war in heaven is a future event. Luke 10 18And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven...

You seem like you haven't studied it. Please only serious discussion about this. If you don't know anything about the Council of Nicea then don't just go around saying things are wrong. People who have studied this will know it's correct which is why I am under the impression your statement must...

That's where they invented the Trinity. The Christians there rejected the Trinity, but with Athanasius being lucky enough to be the archbishop of Alexrandria at the time, he just kept on overturning the decisions of the council. Constantine eventually offered a tie-breaker in the form of Jesus...

You aren't God though. Maybe since you're the one smirking it's for you not me. I don't see how your question is related to "Satan falling like lighting" as they were doing miracles before and after Jesus' statement.

Something tells me your arrogant smirk doesn't have my best interest in mind. So I will have to politely decline any assistance even if it benefited me. See, people have things called dignity. Better keep doing what I am doing on my terms, in my way, because no one loves me more than I do and I...

Ah, so you did misunderstand me. You don't believe Satan is the name of an actual angel, but rather an adversary in the general sense of the literal definition of the word. Is that it?

Okay I think I understand what you're saying now. I, too, see Jesus' vision as prophetic and not something that had literally happened in real time at the moment he said it. So in what ways are humans demonstrably different in the present after the "entire Satanic realm was shaken, destroyed...

No, that was your commentary about things you said I did and then you assigned them to me. I believe you have misunderstood what I have originally wrote if you feel that what you have assigned to me is "truth." You didn't actually address the topic either. So let's start again. Jesus said Satan...

I understand, but let's call it preterism just so we're all on the same page about what we are talking about. I will note that there are indeed different flavors of preterism, but the fall of Satan "like lightning" ,at or before the crucifixion, at least necessitates a partial adherence to...

So you believe in Preterism?

Thanks for sharing your opinion. So what verses demonstrate that Satan has fell like lightning already as opposed to what I have provided that demonstrates he hasn't fell like lightning yet?

So let's assume people are born with a sin nature. They don't start sinning until when?

I disagree because for what you're saying to be true would require an adherence to full or partial preterism to be accurate. I personally am a futurist. The falling of Satan like lightning doesn't happen until a future time. Revelation 12 places this before the great tribulation. This is what...

Do you think Jesus could have been speaking of a vision with his words in Luke 10:18. Because it seems he is speaking in the present tense, but Revelation 12 says the war in heaven and the casting of the devil down to earth doesn't happen until before the beginning of the great tribulation. So...