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  1. Runningman

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    It would have been incredibly easy to just stick with what the Bible already says and not add anything to it. However, I think there were ulterior motives, at least to some extent, among people. The reasons for converting Jesus into God are multifaceted and diverse. First of all, there were...
  2. Runningman

    Absolute truth - Do we know what it is?

    God exists independently of the Bible and isn't limited by it. Yes I believe it's possible to trust in God apart from Christian doctrine. Ever ask a Calvinist how people got saved before TULIP was invented? The answer may surprise you.
  3. Runningman

    Absolute truth - Do we know what it is?

    Even though I am a Christian, I accept that most of what the Bible says relies on its own internal witness. Much of its content is not falsifiable, so there is no way to truly debunk it or prove that something it says is wrong. That's actually a big part of why we can debate the Bible without...
  4. Runningman

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Unfortunately, the Athanasian Creed didn't work that out completely. The error in this work is that, in the doctrine of the Trinity, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three distinct persons but one God. On the other hand, the Son is said to be both human and divine, yet is a singular person...
  5. Runningman

    Who are : "Vessels fitted for Destruction"?

    Right. The "vessels of destruction" doctrine in Reformed theology isn't actually about people being predestined to go to hell in the New Testament. They have misunderstood that, I believe. Everyone vessels gets destroyed sooner or later regardless of their salvation status.
  6. Runningman

    Who are : "Vessels fitted for Destruction"?

    Everyones' vessel gets destroyed sooner or later, but it's just a matter of when. The vessel in this context is where the Spirit of God would be, the temple, but I don't believe Paul was saying some people are going to be predestined to be destroyed in hell for example. I think all Paul meant is...
  7. Runningman

    The Best Revenge?

    What I have experienced is that even when someone deserves to be disrespected, it's better not to do it. It won't teach them anything good, and it will likely escalate the situation. Even when it would have been classier and more mature for them to show some humility, most people aren’t thinking...
  8. Runningman

    Reader Poll - Bible Reading - BEFORE or AFTER you became a Christian?

    Before I was a Christian, I did read the Bible on my own a bit here and there. I think Chick-fil-A used to stamp John 3:16 on their bags and cups back in the day, so I at least knew that verse. It wasn't until after I became a Christian that I actually began taking a serious look at the Bible...
  9. Runningman

    Is the claim of only one God false? - How many gods are there?

    Most likely, there are different uses of the word for "God" in Hebrew culture, but as far as I can tell, the Greek isn't nuanced enough to capture that. Every now and then, someone writes something with the word for "God" in it that is quoted from the Old Testament, where there are many...
  10. Runningman

    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    I hate to break it to you, but in context of Colossians 1:15-20 Jesus is a human who was crucified. Blessed be his holy name. However, you are wrong on the concept of Juesus as a man who is God. That's wrong. Humans aren't God. So I will end my final comment in this thread with respect to @Hepzibah
  11. Runningman

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Curiously, the Word is spoke of as God in the past tense in most translations of John 1:1 I have seen.
  12. Runningman

    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    Oneness with God and each other isn't something that is unique to Jesus. Jesus didn't say he was God nor did anyone say you must believe Jesus is God as part of the gospel. It's looking like you're the cursed one, since you bring the subject up. John 17 20Neither pray I for these alone, but for...
  13. Runningman

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Yet the Holy Spirit is not the Father or the Son in Trinitarianism. The Father is said to be a Spirit, and He’s holy. Jesus is also said to have become a life-giving Spirit, and He’s holy. So the Father and Son are both holy and both a Spirit, yet they are not the same as the Holy Spirit. What I...
  14. Runningman

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    That's certainly plausible and more along the lines of what I believe too.
  15. Runningman

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Yes, exactly. That's philosophy in my opinion, since the literal definition of logos would be about words, spoken words, speaking—like that idea. Yet words and spoken words aren't a person, yet the logos is assigned a masculine pronoun. This could be seen as personification, since non-person...
  16. Runningman

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Question... how many Holy Spirits are there in the Bible?
  17. Runningman

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    I don't know. The elohim who are the "us" in Genesis could just as easily be seen as the congregation of elohim with God in Psalm 82:1. John chapter 1 is about as clear as mud for Trinitarianism. Since God is defined as a Trinity of three persons in Trinitarianism then John 1:1 reads like "the...
  18. Runningman

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    It seems to have started as a sectarian movement at some point. There were clearly those who believed that because Jesus had powers, it meant that he was God, because he did the things God can do, like resurrect people, heal them, and perform various other miracles. Normal people can't do that...
  19. Runningman

    unofficial gods:

    Perhaps, but in any case there are certainly more beings, persons, entities, spirits, ghosts, gods or whatever you want to call them out there than God Almighty. People can get drawn away in any number of directions by real beings. Some of them agree with Christianity, some of them don't. Some...