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  1. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    That's Jesus' teaching. I am not shocked you would call his teachings blasphemy. I am simply repeating what he said. Are you sure you are on the right side?
  2. Runningman

    Limited atonement is a false gospel

    Yes, but also elected to salvation. Jesus said he gives eternal life to those God gives him. John 6 70Jesus answered them, “Have I not chosen you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil!” John 17 2For You granted Him authority over all people, so that He may give eternal life to all those You...
  3. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    It's right here: Matthew 18 12What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep and one of them goes astray, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go out to search for the one that is lost? 13And if he finds it, truly I tell you, he rejoices more over that one sheep than over the...
  4. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    Matthew 18 12What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep and one of them goes astray, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go out to search for the one that is lost? 13And if he finds it, truly I tell you, he rejoices more over that one sheep than over the ninety-nine that did...
  5. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    No you're blinded to the truth. You couldn't quote a single verse or passage about limited atonement if your life depended on it.
  6. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    You accuse Jesus of blasphemy because his teachings are not compatible with your religion?
  7. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    Yes, but Jesus' power is conditional on belief. So it's still possible a sheep can be lost and never recovered due to a lack of belief (apostasy) Matthew 13 58And He did not do many miracles there, because of their unbelief.
  8. Runningman

    Limited atonement is a false gospel

    "Born again" necessitates a first death. When did one die and can they die more than once? Can they be born again a second, third, fourth time, etc, if the first birth wasn't sufficient?
  9. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    You haven't proved limited atonement. Nothing in the Bible talks about what your claims are. The Bible is explicit about what I have said.
  10. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    He said "if he finds it" meaning this is a conditional statement. Therefore it's possible that sheep who go astray may not be found.
  11. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    Limited atonement is in tatters at this point. I think we are just trying to figure out where to sweep the pieces to.
  12. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    According to the good shepherd, sheep can can astray and possibly not be found again. The Father doesn't want this, but Jesus teaches it's possible to still perish by committing apostasy. That's what happened to Judas. Matthew 18 12What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep and one of them...
  13. Runningman

    Limited atonement is a false gospel

    Good points, but I think of it like this. The 12 apostles were those who were initially chosen, hand selected, and given to Jesus by the Father. After that, it became more general as the message went to the world. I believe God is calling everyone because he wants literally all people to be...
  14. Runningman

    Limited atonement is a false gospel

    I agree with what you're saying here and view this the same way.
  15. Runningman

    Limited atonement is a false gospel

    Yes, I strongly encourage you to not go around in circles about it if you believe God does not want you to. I personally believe God wants me to go around in circles about this, if necessary, but probably leans more toward me allocating my time and energy effectively on people who are open to...
  16. Runningman

    Limited atonement is a false gospel

    Provided that Judas was given the authority to do what only a believer has the authority to do means he was given a spiritual gift regardless of whether or not he exercised it. Since Judas was actually a believer like the other apostles, it's strong evidence that they all did what Jesus...
  17. Runningman

    Limited atonement is a false gospel

    Paul wasn't the 12th apostle, but rather the 13th, according to Acts 1:26, because that was Matthias. 26Then they cast lots, and the lot fell to Matthias. So he was added to the eleven apostles. Paul wasn't even born yet by the time Jesus was telling the 12 they would receive eternal life...
  18. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    It's all over the gospels. In Matthew 7:21-23 Jesus taught that those who do not do the Father's will, regardless of their performance of miracles, something only a true believer can do (Mark 16:17) that they will be rejected. Genuine obedience is required for salvation. This does not...
  19. Runningman

    Limited atonement is a false gospel

    Who was Jesus speaking to when he answered Peter, saying they would sit on 12 thrones, judge the tribes of Israel, and inherit eternal life? "The 12" are always the 12 disciples in the synoptic gospels. That would include Judas being told he would receive eternal life, but he didn't receive it...
  20. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    Do you believe all of the verses in the Bible about people falling from grace, losing their sin sacrifice, or losing their salvation? A yes or no is fine. They exist. I won't debate that specific point with you in his limited atonement thread.