The final sign of defeat is petty name-calling. That is all you have. You have zero Scripture to bring to the table. You have no corroboration for your error.Nice video of your Bible teacher................lolx100
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The final sign of defeat is petty name-calling. That is all you have. You have zero Scripture to bring to the table. You have no corroboration for your error.Nice video of your Bible teacher................lolx100
You ignore the context, genre and setting. You have to. You are happy to spiritualize "one hour" as a short period of time but are adamantly against spiritualizing "a thousand years" as a long period of time. Hmmmm!Amil's only foundation on a spiritual 1,000 years is pure 'eisegesis' = same as pre-fib rapture
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@WPM is correct. in that there is no corroborative evidence within scripture of the 1,000 years being other then clearly stated by God Himself as literal.
Well now, we who know God know that 1+1+1 = Echad
If you have nothing to bring to the table then please remove yourself from this thread. You're derailing it.Well now, we who know God know that 1+1+1 = Echad
Well then, you and @Spiritual Israelite admitted to defeat a long time ago..........and you keep on that path.The final sign of defeat is petty name-calling. That is all you have. You have zero Scripture to bring to the table. You have no corroboration for your error.
Amil's 1,000 years has been derailed from it's very inception.If you have nothing to bring to the table then please remove yourself from this thread. You're derailing it.
LOL. This all you have. Pettiness. Address the Op, if you can.Well then, you and @Spiritual Israelite admitted to defeat a long time ago..........and you keep on that path.
So much for us not talking about this topic anymore! Haha. But we can do so respectfully and maybe just one last time.He is talking about 2 types of spiritual animal in the overall nation of Israel. He is teaching that the blinding of the majority was not wholesale and did not prevent future Jews coming through. There was/is a remnant that have eyes to see and ears to hear.
Ok, easy!LOL. This all you have. Pettiness. Address the Op, if you can.
John 18:36
Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.”
Logically a king and His servants fight for His kingdom.
No Jesus will not be reigning as a king on this earth, not then, not now or in the future.
Jesus will not be reigning as a king on this earth, not then, not now or in the future.
LOL. You call that addressing the OP? You're all talk. You are unable to form any coherent arguments to back up your false doctrine.Ok, easy!
@Scott Downey, i was asked to address your OP.
Scott used 'eisegesis' in his conclusion of:
LOL. Why are you lying? Repent of your lies. We never admitted to defeat ever and we never will. Amillennialism is true. Period.Well then, you and @Spiritual Israelite admitted to defeat a long time ago..........and you keep on that path.
Please address my post directly. We are confronting a preconceived notion that you may not have examined yourself. My posts are not meant to explain what Paul said, but rather to correct the common misinterpretation. Disabusing someone of a commonly held mistaken interpretation takes much more effort and time.Nice job of twisting his words. I can't take you seriously.
I respectfully disagree. A cursory examination of the passage will reveal that Paul encourages believers to focus on eternal hope rather than temporary struggles. The passage does not address what occurs immediately after death. Instead, starting in 2 Corinthians 3:16, Paul encourages his readers not to lose hope and provides reasons to remain positive and optimistic. He contrasts temporal matters with eternal ones.Paul was speaking in the context of what would happen immediately upon departing his body.
He is talking generally about a nation, particularly 2 camps within the nation. Not so much individuals. Granted blindness generally does not require reprobation. But when God does it, it is over. Paul saw the blindness of the Christ-rejecting camp has not wholesale or final. He saw the opportunities for future Jews to be provoked through Gentille favor.So much for us not talking about this topic anymore! Haha. But we can do so respectfully and maybe just one last time.
I believe that you're missing the context. Let's take a closer look at the text.
Romans 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day. 9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them: 10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway. I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. 12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? 13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: 14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
So, in verse 7, Paul initially points out that the election (remnant) "hath obtained" that "which he seeketh for", and the rest were blinded. After that his focus remains on "the rest that were blinded" in verses 8-10 since they are the ones with "the spirit of slumber" and darkened spiritual eyes. Agree?
Well, in my view, Paul continued to talk specifically about the rest who were blinded in verse 11 and he asked if thy stumbled to the point that they would fall and he said "God forbid". Surely, he wasn't asking if the remnant had stumbled. He was asking that about the ones whose table was made "a stumblingblock", which were those who were blinded. So, those who were blinded and whose table was made a stumblingblock did not stumble to the point of falling. Calvinism says they fell and were made reprobate, but Paul says they stumbled and did not fall.
So, in my view, Paul was saying God forbid that they had fallen and were reprobate. No, they were blinded only temporarily for the purpose of bringing the gospel to the Gentiles to make them jealous. Paul wished to take advantage of their jealously to make them too want to be saved like the Gentiles were, and that's what he was saying in verses 13 and 14.
Later Paul said this about those Israelites who were blinded and cut off in his day.
Romans 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
Paul did not give up on those who were blinded and cut off because of their unbelief. He hoped to lead some of them to "abide not still in unbelief" so that they could be saved.
Edit: My letter "e" key on my keyboard is not working well, so if I have any typos missing the letter "e", that's why.
The grain represents the sons and daughters of Israel, regardless of their spiritual status. God waits until AFTER he has brought them back to the land to circumcise their hearts.Of course. The righteous remnant of grain will not fall. Amos 9:9
So, will you show us in Revelation 20 where Jesus is reigning on earth?Ok, easy!
@Scott Downey, i was asked to address your OP.
Scott used 'eisegesis' in his conclusion of:
No, I will not. I know it's a waste of time. I already gave my understanding of this and you disagreed. I have nothing to add to what I've already said. Don't just look at 2 Corinthians 5:6-8, but also look at Philippians 1:20-24 for a better understanding of what Paul taught that happens to people immediately upon their bodily deaths.Please address my post directly.
He is talking about salvation, which is obviously an individual thing, so I have to disagree.He is talking generally about a nation, particularly 2 camps within the nation. Not so much individuals. Granted blindness generally does not require reprobation. But when God does it, it is over. Paul saw the blindness of the Christ-rejecting camp has not wholesale or final. He saw the opportunities for future Jews to be provoked through Gentille favor.
No it doesn't. It represents the righteous, who do not fall, in contrast to the sinners, who die by the sword in verse 10.The grain represents the sons and daughters of Israel, regardless of their spiritual status.