Limited atonement !

Runningman · Wednesday at 7:51 AM

brightfame52 said:
The answer is NO He would never ever say that to anyone He Loved and gave Himself for, that He never knew them. They could not have been a Sheep of His because this He says about them Jn 10:14

I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

He could have never been their Shepherd and disown them like that.

According to the good shepherd, sheep can can astray and possibly not be found again. The Father doesn't want this, but Jesus teaches it's possible to still perish by committing apostasy. That's what happened to Judas.

Matthew 18
12What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep and one of them goes astray, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go out to search for the one that is lost? 13And if he finds it, truly I tell you, he rejoices more over that one sheep than over the ninety-nine that did not go astray. 14In the same way, your Father in heaven is not willing that any of these little ones should perish.

Runningman · Wednesday at 7:53 AM

brightfame52 said:
You haven't disproved limited atonement.

Limited atonement is in tatters at this point. I think we are just trying to figure out where to sweep the pieces to.

BreadOfLife · Wednesday at 9:39 AM

brightfame52 said:
You haven't disproved limited atonement.

YOU haven't proven it . . .

Behold · Wednesday at 9:42 AM

brightfame52 said:
What you call Calvinism is the Gospel, its been around since the foundation of the world

"Calvinism" is originally desiged as a theology, by John Calvin.

= DUH

John Calvinism has not "been around since the foundation of the world".

So Remember....

God is not a Calvinist
Jesus is not a Calvinist
Paul is not a Calvinist
The NT does not teach Calvinism..

Calvinism is a Grace Denying Heresy that is taught by deceived : CALVINISTS / Hyper-Calvinists

God hates Calvinism, because it denies that Jesus came for "sinners"... "ALL have sinned" ....the "world"... ... John 3:16

Calvinism, at its most demonic evolved state of theology is "Hyper-Calvinism".

brightfame52 · Wednesday at 9:43 AM

Runningman said:
According to the good shepherd, sheep can can astray and possibly not be found again. The Father doesn't want this, but Jesus teaches it's possible to still perish by committing apostasy. That's what happened to Judas.

Matthew 18
12What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep and one of them goes astray, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go out to search for the one that is lost? 13And if he finds it, truly I tell you, he rejoices more over that one sheep than over the ninety-nine that did not go astray. 14In the same way, your Father in heaven is not willing that any of these little ones should perish.

Dont matter if a Sheep of Christ strays away, He still knows His Sheep, and will go find it Lk 15:4-6

4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?

5 And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing.

6 And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.

He knew and knows His Sheep even in a lost condition, and will successfully find it. Again, He would not ever Tell one of His Sheep Matt 7:23

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

brightfame52 · Wednesday at 9:44 AM

Runningman said:
Limited atonement is in tatters at this point. I think we are just trying to figure out where to sweep the pieces to.

You havent proved it

brightfame52 · Wednesday at 9:45 AM

BreadOfLife said:
YOU haven't proven it . . .

You havent proved that !

brightfame52 · Wednesday at 9:46 AM

Behold said:
"Calvinism" is originally desiged as a theology, by John Calvin.

= DUH

John Calvinism has not "been around since the foundation of the world".

So Remember....

God is not a Calvinist
Jesus is not a Calvinist
Paul is not a Calvinist
The NT does not teach Calvinism..

Calvinism is a Grace Denying Heresy that is taught by deceived : CALVINISTS / Hyper-Calvinists

God hates Calvinism, because it denies that Jesus came for "sinners"... "ALL have sinned" ....the "world"... ... John 3:16

Calvinism, at its most demonic evolved state of theology is "Hyper-Calvinism".

Calvinism, Tulip is the Gospel, Jesus taught all five points !

Dash RipRock · Wednesday at 10:32 AM

brightfame52 said:
You havent proved it

Some are so blinded by the false doctrine of calvinism and sadly they won't understand they have been deceived until the die someday and are taken down into the pits of hell in to eternal torment and then finally they will realize they have been deceived at which point it'll be too late for them as they will be tormented in hell for all eternity

Too bad for them.

Rockerduck · Wednesday at 12:22 PM

Dash RipRock said:
Some are so blinded by the false doctrine of calvinism and sadly they won't understand they have been deceived until the die someday and are taken down into the pits of hell in to eternal torment and then finally they will realize they have been deceived at which point it'll be too late for them as they will be tormented in hell for all eternity

Too bad for them.

Who are you to Judge?

brightfame52 · Wednesday at 12:25 PM

Dash RipRock said:
Some are so blinded by the false doctrine of calvinism and sadly they won't understand they have been deceived until the die someday and are taken down into the pits of hell in to eternal torment and then finally they will realize they have been deceived at which point it'll be too late for them as they will be tormented in hell for all eternity

Too bad for them.

Prove it

Runningman · Wednesday at 9:51 PM

brightfame52 said:
Dont matter if a Sheep of Christ strays away, He still knows His Sheep, and will go find it Lk 15:4-6

4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?

5 And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing.

6 And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.

He knew and knows His Sheep even in a lost condition, and will successfully find it. Again, He would not ever Tell one of His Sheep Matt 7:23

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

He said "if he finds it" meaning this is a conditional statement. Therefore it's possible that sheep who go astray may not be found.

Runningman · Wednesday at 9:57 PM

brightfame52 said:
You havent proved it

You haven't proved limited atonement. Nothing in the Bible talks about what your claims are. The Bible is explicit about what I have said.

Rockerduck · 2025-04-24T04:55:00-0500

Runningman said:
He said "if he finds it" meaning this is a conditional statement. Therefore it's possible that sheep who go astray may not be found.

Mark 9:23 - Jesus said to him, “If" you can believe, all things are possible to him who believes.”

brightfame52 · 2025-04-24T06:32:42-0500

Christ didnt die for all mankind, but He died for them that had their names written in the Lambs Book of Life from the foundation of the World Rev 13:8

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Lk 10:20

Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven. 16

brightfame52 · 2025-04-24T06:36:22-0500

Runningman said:
He said "if he finds it" meaning this is a conditional statement. Therefore it's possible that sheep who go astray may not be found.

Aint no if as in there is a possibility He wont find it, that's blasphemous to even to suggest. Do you think God didn't know where Adam was when He asked him Gen 3:9

9 And the Lord God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?

brightfame52 · 2025-04-24T06:37:41-0500

Runningman said:
You haven't proved limited atonement. Nothing in the Bible talks about what your claims are. The Bible is explicit about what I have said.

Limited atonement cant be proven to you right now because you are blinded to the truth

brightfame52 · 2025-04-24T06:43:19-0500

@Runningman

He said "if he finds it"

Are you sure you not misquoting that verse ? Where does it say "if He finds it ?" Lk 15:4

4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?

David Lamb · 2025-04-24T07:49:19-0500

Runningman said:
He said "if he finds it" meaning this is a conditional statement. Therefore it's possible that sheep who go astray may not be found.

No, those verses do say, "f he loses one of them," but they do not say, "if he finds it." Here are those verses:

"What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? "And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. "And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’” (Lu 15:4-6 NKJV)

Rockerduck · 2025-04-24T09:16:17-0500

The Book of Life was written before the foundation of the world; therefore, God foreknew whose names would be written in it.

Revations 13:8 - All who dwell on the earth will worship him (the dragon), whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

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