This typifies how you arrive at your error. You start with a false premise. And then you force Scripture to fit into that premise.
You seem incapable of letting Scripture and truth speak for itself.
This explains a lot.
Indisputable proof that the Premillennial theory contradicts Scripture
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You seem incapable of letting Scripture and truth speak for itself.
This explains a lot.
[Luk 23:43 KJV] 43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
I think Jesus went to paradise in Abraham's bosom until he was resurrected........he went to
Jews were scattered upon persecution to Asia around 70AD
Exodus 19:5-6 says to the children of Israel........saying it doesnt say Gentiles cant be priests dosent prove they are
Ephesians 2 would only apply if you think the 7 churches were the body of Christ
Spiritual Israelite
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Abraham's bosom wasn't paradise.
Paradise is the third heaven.
2 Corinthians 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth; ) such an one caught up to the third heaven. 3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth; ) 4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
Spiritual Israelite
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Israelites, comprised of both Jews and Gentiles, were scattered.
Israel was comprised of both Jews and Gentiles throughout its history. Genesis 17:12; Exodus 12:48-49; Leviticus 19:34; Leviticus 24:22
so you dont agree that the Jews could establish churches in Asia being scattered there
God was not addressing Gentiles in Exodus 19:5-6.........you could make Gentiles receive all the covenants made to Jews just because they became proselytes
Spiritual Israelite
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Is there something about my saying that I'm done that you didn't understand? You just dismiss everything I say and I don't want to deal with that anymore. Please ask God for wisdom (James 1:5-7).
God was addressing the children of Israel, comprised of both Jews and Gentiles.
God was not and is not a racist.
He cannot be contorted into one.
fine but I dont dismiss what you say ......I offer my view based on scripture that counters what you say it if necessary
[Exo 12:48 KJV] 48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.
Treating Gentiles as one born in the land does not make them Israel
one last thing
[Rev 2:26 KJV] 26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
This was to the church in Thyatira.......so how could a Gentile church be given power over the Gentile nations in the millennium???? Only believing Israel will rule over the nations......Israel was never reckoned among the nations (Num 23:9)
Spiritual Israelite
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Okay, since you actually brought up something new instead of repeating yourself yet again, I will address this.
Where does that verse say "Gentile nations"? Nowhere. It just says "the nations".
Remember when I showed you that the Greek word "ethnos" has more than one definition? It's translated as "nations" in that verse. You decided somehow that it's talking about Gentile nations. But, the word "ethnos" does not have to refer to nations in particular. Remember when I showed you in Revelation 20:7-9 that the word "nations" there was not the best translation of the word "ethnos" because it talks about the number of nations (Greek: ethnos) as being as "the sand of the sea"? So, it's clearly talking about individual people who together number "as the sand of the sea" and not nations that number as the sand of the sea.
So, Revelation 2:26 is talking about having power and authority over people in general. It's talking about being in a position to judge the world, as Paul talked about here...
1 Corinthians 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
So, Revelation 2:26 is talking about having authority and power over the world just as Jesus does. He will judge the world when He returns and we who belong to Him will take part in that in some way. We will even take part in the judging of angels in some way.
The nations were Gentile and as I said Israel was not reckoned among them they were separate
[Gen 10:5 KJV] 5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.
Spiritual Israelite
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You say you don't dismiss my points, but you do. You don't address them at all. I'm done.
The power over the world would still be the Gentile nations....there is either Israel or the nations
we can always say we have exhausted a subject and agree to continue on a new topic whenever it presents itself....up to you
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