Indisputable proof that the Premillennial theory contradicts Scripture

[Spiritual Israelite]

It could well be the seven churches included Gentiles but that doesnt negate them being a Jewish church (believing remnant).........only the remnant can say they are kings and priests;''''''''''''''''''this is what I said

You say the 7 churches were composed of Gentiles fine but I am saying they could all be primarily Jewish

Why would that be the case in a Gentile location? But, even "primarily Jewish" churches would at least include a few Gentiles. So, there is no basis whatsoever for thinking that there were no Gentile believers in those churches in those Gentile locations.

They say they are kings and priests in Rev 1:6............[Exo 19:5-6 KJV] 5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth [is] mine: 6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These [are] the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.............................this was said to the children of Israel.......so it is more likely to be Jewish churches since Gentiles cant say they are kings and priests

That passage does NOT say Gentiles can't be kings and priests. Have you never read the New Testament? Gentile believers have been brought together as one with Jewish believers by the blood of Christ (Ephesians 2:11-22) as "fellow citizens" and "fellow heirs", so the promises made to Israel apply to Gentile believers as well. This is taught throughout the New Testament.

 

[WPM]

It could well be the seven churches included Gentiles but that doesnt negate them being a Jewish church (believing remnant).........only the remnant can say they are kings and priests;''''''''''''''''''this is what I said

You say the 7 churches were composed of Gentiles fine but I am saying they could all be primarily Jewish

They say they are kings and priests in Rev 1:6............[Exo 19:5-6 KJV] 5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth [is] mine: 6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These [are] the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.............................this was said to the children of Israel.......so it is more likely to be Jewish churches since Gentiles cant say they are kings and priests

This typifies how you arrive at your error. You start with a false premise. And then you force Scripture to fit into that premise.

You seem incapable of letting Scripture and truth speak for itself.

This explains a lot.

 

[Doug]

Not quite. Upon His death His spirit went to God because He committed His spirit to God upon His death.

[Luk 23:43 KJV] 43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

I think Jesus went to paradise in Abraham's bosom until he was resurrected........he went to

 

[Doug]

Why would that be the case in a Gentile location? But, even "primarily Jewish" churches would at least include a few Gentiles. So, there is no basis whatsoever for thinking that there were no Gentile believers in those churches in those Gentile locations.


That passage does NOT say Gentiles can't be kings and priests. Have you never read the New Testament? Gentile believers have been brought together as one with Jewish believers by the blood of Christ (Ephesians 2:11-22) as "fellow citizens" and "fellow heirs", so the promises made to Israel apply to Gentile believers as well. This is taught throughout the New Testament.

Why would that be the case in a Gentile location? But, even "primarily Jewish" churches would at least include a few Gentiles. So, there is no basis whatsoever for thinking that there were no Gentile believers in those churches in those Gentile locations.

Jews were scattered upon persecution to Asia around 70AD

That passage does NOT say Gentiles can't be kings and priests. Have you never read the New Testament? Gentile believers have been brought together as one with Jewish believers by the blood of Christ (Ephesians 2:11-22) as "fellow citizens" and "fellow heirs", so the promises made to Israel apply to Gentile believers as well. This is taught throughout the New Testament.

Exodus 19:5-6 says to the children of Israel........saying it doesnt say Gentiles cant be priests dosent prove they are

Ephesians 2 would only apply if you think the 7 churches were the body of Christ

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

[Luk 23:43 KJV] 43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

I think Jesus went to paradise in Abraham's bosom until he was resurrected........he went to

Abraham's bosom wasn't paradise.

Paradise is the third heaven.

2 Corinthians 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth; ) such an one caught up to the third heaven. 3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth; ) 4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Jews were scattered upon persecution to Asia around 70AD

Exodus 19:5-6 says to the children of Israel........saying it doesnt say Gentiles cant be priests dosent prove they are

Ephesians 2 would only apply if you think the 7 churches were the body of Christ

Believe what you want. I'm done. Please ask God for wisdom (James 1:5-7).

 

[covenantee]

Jews were scattered upon persecution to Asia around 70AD

Israelites, comprised of both Jews and Gentiles, were scattered.

Exodus 19:5-6 says to the children of Israel........saying it doesnt say Gentiles cant be priests dosent prove they are

Israel was comprised of both Jews and Gentiles throughout its history. Genesis 17:12; Exodus 12:48-49; Leviticus 19:34; Leviticus 24:22

 

[Doug]

Believe what you want. I'm done. Please ask God for wisdom (James 1:5-7).

so you dont agree that the Jews could establish churches in Asia being scattered there

 

[Doug]

Israel was comprised of both Jews and Gentiles throughout its history. Genesis 17:12; Exodus 12:48-49; Leviticus 19:34; Leviticus 24:22

God was not addressing Gentiles in Exodus 19:5-6.........you could make Gentiles receive all the covenants made to Jews just because they became proselytes

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

so you dont agree that the Jews could establish churches in Asia being scattered there

Is there something about my saying that I'm done that you didn't understand? You just dismiss everything I say and I don't want to deal with that anymore. Please ask God for wisdom (James 1:5-7).

 

[covenantee]

God was not addressing Gentiles in Exodus 19:5-6.........you could make Gentiles receive all the covenants made to Jews just because they became proselytes

God was addressing the children of Israel, comprised of both Jews and Gentiles.

God was not and is not a racist.

He cannot be contorted into one.

 

[Doug]

Is there something about my saying that I'm done that you didn't understand? You just dismiss everything I say and I don't want to deal with that anymore. Please ask God for wisdom (James 1:5-7).

fine but I dont dismiss what you say ......I offer my view based on scripture that counters what you say it if necessary

 

[Doug]

God was addressing the children of Israel, comprised of both Jews and Gentiles.

God was not and is not a racist.

He cannot be contorted into one.

[Exo 12:48 KJV] 48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.

Treating Gentiles as one born in the land does not make them Israel

 

[Doug]

Is there something about my saying that I'm done that you didn't understand? You just dismiss everything I say and I don't want to deal with that anymore. Please ask God for wisdom (James 1:5-7).

one last thing
[Rev 2:26 KJV] 26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

This was to the church in Thyatira.......so how could a Gentile church be given power over the Gentile nations in the millennium???? Only believing Israel will rule over the nations......Israel was never reckoned among the nations (Num 23:9)

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

one last thing
[Rev 2:26 KJV] 26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

This was to the church in Thyatira.......so how could a Gentile church be given power over the Gentile nations in the millennium???? Only believing Israel will rule over the nations......Israel was never reckoned among the nations (Num 23:9)

Okay, since you actually brought up something new instead of repeating yourself yet again, I will address this.

Where does that verse say "Gentile nations"? Nowhere. It just says "the nations".

Remember when I showed you that the Greek word "ethnos" has more than one definition? It's translated as "nations" in that verse. You decided somehow that it's talking about Gentile nations. But, the word "ethnos" does not have to refer to nations in particular. Remember when I showed you in Revelation 20:7-9 that the word "nations" there was not the best translation of the word "ethnos" because it talks about the number of nations (Greek: ethnos) as being as "the sand of the sea"? So, it's clearly talking about individual people who together number "as the sand of the sea" and not nations that number as the sand of the sea.

So, Revelation 2:26 is talking about having power and authority over people in general. It's talking about being in a position to judge the world, as Paul talked about here...

1 Corinthians 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

So, Revelation 2:26 is talking about having authority and power over the world just as Jesus does. He will judge the world when He returns and we who belong to Him will take part in that in some way. We will even take part in the judging of angels in some way.

 

[covenantee]

Treating Gentiles as one born in the land does not make them Israel

It made them the same as those born in Israel.

No difference.

 

[Doug]

Where does that verse say "Gentile nations"? Nowhere. It just says "the nations".

The nations were Gentile and as I said Israel was not reckoned among them they were separate

[Gen 10:5 KJV] 5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The nations were Gentile and as I said Israel was not reckoned among them they were separate

[Gen 10:5 KJV] 5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.

You say you don't dismiss my points, but you do. You don't address them at all. I'm done.

 

[Doug]

So, Revelation 2:26 is talking about having authority and power over the world just as Jesus does

The power over the world would still be the Gentile nations....there is either Israel or the nations

 

[Doug]

Okay, since you actually brought up something new instead of repeating yourself yet again, I will address this.

we can always say we have exhausted a subject and agree to continue on a new topic whenever it presents itself....up to you