The Coming Rapture

rebuilder 454 said:

I think like manner is the rapture. Not the second coming

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For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
1 Thessalonians 4:15

• that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord

we who are alive and remain is referring to the rapture.

…until the coming of the Lord is the second coming of Christ.


The Resurrection and Rapture occur at the Second Coming of Christ.

rebuilder 454 said:

All declared in the bible.

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Its interesting that you say this but provide no actual scripture.


For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
1 Thessalonians 4:15

• that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord

we who are alive and remain is referring to the rapture.

…until the coming of the Lord is the second coming of Christ.


The Resurrection and Rapture occur at the Second Coming of Christ.

PinSeeker said:

No one is doing that, but what you are doing ~ and you're certainly not alone in doing so ~ is saying that the events of Revelation 19:11-21 are prior to the events of Revelation 20:1-6, which is not the case.

The events of Revelation 19:11-21 are the same events ~ described in a little different way but with the same outcome ~ as the events of Revelation 20:7-9. Note the similarity of the images and language in both passages...

What is described in Revelation 20:1-6 ~ really verses 4-6, over the course of the millennium, which is now, since Pentecost, "these last days" as the writer of Hebrews calls it in Hebrews 1:2... Revelation:20:1-3 describe the coming of Christ 2000-plus years ago and the binding of Satan, which Jesus said was a reality in Matthew 12:29. The millennium of Revelation 20 will be until the fullness of the Gentiles is brought in and the partial hardening now on Israel is removed; in this way all Israel will be saved (Romans 11:25-26), and this will prompt the close of the millennium and...

Satan will be "loosed" for a short time. As for a "rapture," there is no rapture, but the coming of Christ ~ Jesus is the fire coming down from heaven and consuming the devil and his minions. This is final defeat of Satan, only implied in Revelation 19, and will certainly be a rapturous event... Jesus will come back and forcefully take... although real force, as in some sort of military might or other violence, will not be necessary... what is His, for good. Then will come the Judgment, portrayed in Revelation 20:11-15, unbelievers will depart, following Satan and his minions into eternal judgment, and then Heaven and Earth will be made one... the New Heavens and New Earth.

Grace and peace to you.

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Uh no.
You thoughouly tortured all that for doctrine sake.
Very bad to do that.

JLB said:

For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
1 Thessalonians 4:15

• that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord

we who are alive and remain is referring to the rapture.

…until the coming of the Lord is the second coming of Christ.


The Resurrection and Rapture occur at the Second Coming of Christ.

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Now add context.
"We meet them ( those previously resurrected 3 minutes ago) in the air"

What you are doing is FORCING that into a different meaning.

Read it all at once, without the make believe pause.

JLB said:

For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
1 Thessalonians 4:15

• that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord

we who are alive and remain is referring to the rapture.

…until the coming of the Lord is the second coming of Christ.


The Resurrection and Rapture occur at the Second Coming of Christ.

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This is WHY the phrase " jot or tittle" is used against changing God's word.
One misplaced comma, changes meaning.

Very bad to participate in that.

I think you may be preterist.
That doctrine is easily defended against.

rebuilder 454 said:

1 Rapture of half the church pretrib as Jesus declared

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He declared no such thing.

rebuilder 454 said:

2 Those left behind are martyred as Revelation declares

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No, they are not martyred, they are destroyed by Jesus. Only believers get martyred. Those left behind include those who the five foolish virgins represent. How can you think that Jesus would tell true Christians that are in the church this...

Matthew 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. 12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

He would not say "I know you not" to anyone in the church. That's ludicrous. He would only tell that to someone who is not in the church and doesn't have a personal relationship with Him.

Look what other scripture says will happen to those who will say "Lord, Lord, open to us".

Luke 13:25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: 26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. 27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

Jesus calls these people who you say are in the church "workers of iniquity" and says they will experience "weeping and gnashing of teeth" which is what those who are not in the church will experience for eternity when they are cast into the fire.

Matthew 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

So, the ones who are left behind are clearly not in the church and clearly do not know Jesus personally and they are instead "workers of iniquity" who will be cast "into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth".

See how I make my arguments using scripture? You never do that. You just random claims that you don't back up with coherent arguments using scripture.

Spiritual Israelite said:

He declared no such thing.


No, they are not martyred, they are destroyed by Jesus. Only believers get martyred. Those left behind include those who the five foolish virgins represent. How can you think that Jesus would tell true Christians that are in the church this...

Matthew 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. 12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

He would not say "I know you not" to anyone in the church. That's ludicrous. He would only tell that to someone who is not in the church and doesn't have a personal relationship with Him.

Look what other scripture says will happen to those who will say "Lord, Lord, open to us".

Luke 13:25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: 26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. 27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

Jesus calls these people who you say are in the church "workers of iniquity" and says they will experience "weeping and gnashing of teeth" which is what those who are not in the church will experience for eternity when they are cast into the fire.

Matthew 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

So, the ones who are left behind are clearly not in the church and clearly do not know Jesus personally and they are instead "workers of iniquity" who will be cast "into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth".

See how I make my arguments using scripture? You never do that. You just random claims that you don't back up with coherent arguments using scripture.

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"No, they are not martyred, they are destroyed by Jesus. Only believers get martyred. Those left behind include those who the five foolish virgins represent. How can you think that Jesus would tell true Christians that are in the church this...

Matthew 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. 12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not."

You have to do a bible study. Not a DOCTRINE study.
Doctrine is telling you all that.
So you jump to conclusions.
Jesus tells us different.
Rev 3
16 So I will spit you out of my mouth, because you are only warm and not hot or cold.

17 You say, `I am rich and have many things. I need nothing.' You do not know that you are in trouble and need help. You are poor. You are blind. And you have no clothes to wear.

18 I tell you what you should do. You should buy from me gold that has been made clean by fire. Then you will be rich. And you should buy from me white clothes to wear. Then people will not see that you have no clothes, and you will not be ashamed. You should buy from me healing oil to put on your eyes. Then you will be able to see

7 letters to Christians.
Christians spewed out of his mouth...AHEM 5 virgins spewed out of his mouth.
But it gets worse for your doctrine conclusions....
20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne

Huh??? JESUS rebukes and punishes Christians????
Huh??? Jesus rewards christians????
Rewards means some are shut out???
Refused rewards?????

That's the difference between doctrinal conclusions and a bible hound berean that reads all verses and lets The bible defend itself

But let's demolish your conclusions further;
Rev 3
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Oh dear. The nerve of that Jesus declaring that some qualify to be raptured and some are left behind.

Now that makes 4 to your zero verses saying that some are qualified to be raptured and some are left behind.

That should do it Bubba.
No no no. It gets worse still...

rebuilder 454 said:

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"No, they are not martyred, they are destroyed by Jesus. Only believers get martyred. Those left behind include those who the five foolish virgins represent. How can you think that Jesus would tell true Christians that are in the church this...

Matthew 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. 12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not."

You have to do a bible study. Not a DOCTRINE study.
Doctrine is telling you all that.

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You speak total nonsense. I was quoting the Bible and showing what it says in the Bible. You ignore what it says in the Bible about what will happen to those who will say "Lord, Lord, open to us" when Jesus comes. You won't even address those scriptures from the Bible that I used to support my belief. Which shows that you just cherry pick scripture that you think supports your belief and ignore the rest. Why should you be taken seriously when you refuse to take other passages like Luke 13:25-28 and Matthew 13:40-43 into consideration when interpreting Matthew 24:40-41 and Matthew 25:1-13? Why does your supposed Bible study not include passages like those?

Spiritual Israelite said:

You speak total nonsense. I was quoting the Bible and showing what it says in the Bible. You ignore what it says in the Bible about what will happen to those who will say "Lord, Lord, open to us" when Jesus comes. You won't even address those scriptures from the Bible that I used to support my belief. Which shows that you just cherry pick scripture that you think supports your belief and ignore the rest. Why should you be taken seriously when you refuse to take other passages like Luke 13:25-28 and Matthew 13:40-43 into consideration when interpreting Matthew 24:40-41 and Matthew 25:1-13? Why does your supposed Bible study not include passages like those?

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You were supposing that the ones rejected in the virgin parable were not believers, because your doctrine dictates that all believers are treated the same.
I showed you hands down your fallacy and assumptions were made up by your doctrine.
Your response proves that I was correct and you did in fact assume incorrectly that the 5 foolish virgins were not believers.
So no, your doctrine dictated basis for study ,as you are again shown, Is not suddenly legitimized, by diverting away with brand new verses.

...and remember I promised more?
Here ya go ... Jesus said; "... but pray that you may be counted worthy to escape the things about to come upon the whole world, and stand before the son of man" (I can look up the reference if you are unfamiliar with the rapture verses)

Now I don't know if you caught that, but Jesus put a condition on those that will be going in the rapture, and he is implying, that those not meeting that condition, quite obviously will be left behind, and that condition was given to the people that belong to him.

So we now can get a little understanding into the rapture.
AHEM...via the rapture verses.
1) only a future rapture fits
2) It is not all the church as Jesus declared, and you now have been shown
3) You have now learned it is conditional as to who goes and who stays.
4) Those missing the "boat" (pun intended to add a touch of humor), are martyred, as we see in revelation.
5) The rapture is the gathering of the bride by the bridegroom.
6) the rapture is the end, or should we say ending of the church age. The ending of the church age ushers in jacob's trouble which is the beginning of the tribulation. And that period of time is for the Jewish people, are the wayward wife God's covenant people. Now I think another part of your misunderstanding lies in your possible misunderstanding of God's two covenant peoples. There is a clue in your member name of "spiritual israelite"... A possible indication of a replacement theology type of a situation. Which would lead me to believe that you do not understand the two covenants,... or should we say Gods "two wives" Vividly illustrated in rev 14:14 as the Jewish gathering.


So OK.
I think what you're gonna have to do is throw everything away and just center in on the dynamic of the bride and the bridegroom.
Once you gain that understanding of the purpose of the rapture and the purpose of the tribulation, you will have a superior starting point, and everything will start to make sense for you from that new starting point

Now we know that those left behind after the pre tribulation rapture are martyred by the Antichrist, as declared emphatically in the Book of Revelation. He martyrs every human on the planet that refuses the mark, as declared emphatically in the Book of Revelation.

It is also declared that the Antichrist is given power to overcome the Saints, and that the Saints overcome the Antichrist through martyrdom, and that martyrdom is reaffirmed in revelation chapter 20.

So there's no believers that fit the false assumption that they are going to make it completely through the great tribulation all the way to revelation 19 at the White Horse return of Jesus, which is the second coming.

Now I'm not talking about the Jewish people, because they are ushered away to a place of safety, with the devil following them and unable to subdue them.
So they are dealt with separately as we know for a fact. That is obviously because the Antichrist wants to destroy them also, and he wants their soul by getting them to accept his mark, but they are protected by God himself.
This Jewish remnant appears about the mid point Of the seven-year tribulation in revelation chapter 14 as Jewish first fruits numbering 144K, followed by the main harvest of Jews in ch 14 verse 14.

The 2 wives
Gomer...the JEWS
Ruth... the Gentile bride of Jesus.

All of end times has had its foundation, and core, and heart of heaven, in the two wives.

Jesus started his ministry and first miracle at a Jewish wedding. ( heaven has "last first/ first last" as a hologram.) the first miracle is the last miracle
The very last page of the Bible, the very ending of the Bible, ends with the bride and the bridegroom.

The heart of the bride cries out in everlasting of those words of the bride saying "come Lord Jesus" the last few words in the end of the Bible

rebuilder 454 said:

You were supposing that the ones rejected in the virgin parable were not believers, because your doctrine dictates that all believers are treated the same.
I showed you hands down your fallacy and assumptions were made up by your doctrine.

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You did not such thing. I showed you hands down what will happen to those like the foolish virgins who say "Lord, Lord, open to us" when Jesus comes. He will say He doesn't know them and cast them into the fire where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. And you juts ingore that! You cherry pick scripture and ignore the rest.

Put your money where you mouth is for once and stop being a coward and address what I'm saying. Tell me how the people described in the following passages can possibly be considered believers who you think will end up inheriting eternal life?

Matthew 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. 12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

Luke 13:25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: 26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. 27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

Matthew 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

So, I'm backing up what I'm saying with the Bible, which you should do as well if you want to be taken seriously. These scriptures clearly indicate that people like the foolish virgins who will say "Lord, Lord, open to us" when He comes will be told by Jesus that He doesn't know them and they will be cast "into a furnace of fire" where "there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth".

So, if you want to be taken seriously you will address what I've shown here instead of dodging it like you have so far.

rebuilder 454 said:

Your response proves that I was correct and you did in fact assume incorrectly that the 5 foolish virgins were not believers.

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My response that you can see above that is based on scripture shows them to be unbelievers who end up being cast into a furnace of fire. So, if you think otherwise, then show me how you interpret those passages.

rebuilder 454 said:

So no, your doctrine dictated basis for study ,as you are again shown, Is not suddenly legitimized, by diverting away with brand new verses.

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LOL. Using scripture to interpret scripture is a wise method of interpreting scripture, but only someone lacking in discernment like you would consider that to be a case of "diverting away with brand new verses". They are related verses, so they are relevant to take into consideration. You are diverting away form the fact that you can't refute what I say about those passages because you won't even address them. How about you address them now if you're so sure that they don't back up what I'm saying?

rebuilder 454 said:

...and remember I promised more?
Here ya go ... Jesus said; "... but pray that you may be counted worthy to escape the things about to come upon the whole world, and stand before the son of man" (I can look up the reference if you are unfamiliar with the rapture verses)

Now I don't know if you caught that, but Jesus put a condition on those that will be going in the rapture, and he is implying, that those not meeting that condition, quite obviously will be left behind, and that condition was given to the people that belong to him.

So we now can get a little understanding into the rapture.
AHEM...via the rapture verses.
1) only a future rapture fits
2) It is not all the church as Jesus declared, and you now have been shown
3) You have now learned it is conditional as to who goes and who stays.
4) Those missing the "boat" (pun intended to add a touch of humor), are martyred, as we see in revelation.
5) The rapture is the gathering of the bride by the bridegroom.
6) the rapture is the end, or should we say ending of the church age. The ending of the church age ushers in jacob's trouble which is the beginning of the tribulation. And that period of time is for the Jewish people, are the wayward wife God's covenant people. Now I think another part of your misunderstanding lies in your possible misunderstanding of God's two covenant peoples. There is a clue in your member name of "spiritual israelite"... A possible indication of a replacement theology type of a situation. Which would lead me to believe that you do not understand the two covenants,... or should we say Gods "two wives" Vividly illustrated in rev 14:14 as the Jewish gathering.

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This is just all your comments and no scripture and no explanations to go along with them. You think this type of argument is going to convince anyone of anything? Do you put your own words on the same level of scripture as if you can convince anyone of anything by your words alone? Are you just incapable of making an argument by showing how scripture backs up your claims? Is that why you don't do that?

Spiritual Israelite said:

You did not such thing. I showed you hands down what will happen to those like the foolish virgins who say "Lord, Lord, open to us" when Jesus comes. He will say He doesn't know them and cast them into the fire where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. And you juts ingore that! You cherry pick scripture and ignore the rest.

Put your money where you mouth is for once and stop being a coward and address what I'm saying. Tell me how the people described in the following passages can possibly be considered believers who you think will end up inheriting eternal life?

Matthew 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. 12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

Luke 13:25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: 26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. 27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

Matthew 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

So, I'm backing up what I'm saying with the Bible, which you should do as well if you want to be taken seriously. These scriptures clearly indicate that people like the foolish virgins who will say "Lord, Lord, open to us" when He comes will be told by Jesus that He doesn't know them and they will be cast "into a furnace of fire" where "there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth".

So, if you want to be taken seriously you will address what I've shown here instead of dodging it like you have so far.


My response that you can see above that is based on scripture shows them to be unbelievers who end up being cast into a furnace of fire. So, if you think otherwise, then show me how you interpret those passages.


LOL. Using scripture to interpret scripture is a wise method of interpreting scripture, but only someone lacking in discernment like you would consider that to be a case of "diverting away with brand new verses". They are related verses, so they are relevant to take into consideration. You are diverting away form the fact that you can't refute what I say about those passages because you won't even address them. How about you address them now if you're so sure that they don't back up what I'm saying?


This is just all your comments and no scripture and no explanations to go along with them. You think this type of argument is going to convince anyone of anything? Do you put your own words on the same level of scripture as if you can convince anyone of anything by your words alone? Are you just incapable of making an argument by showing how scripture backs up your claims? Is that why you don't do that?

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Lol

Go back and read my post.
Your ASSUMPTION that all believers are rewarded is plain dumb and ignorant.

Then read your response.
Too funny how you got schooled so badly, that you could not go back and face the verses that you were totally ignorant of.
Instead you just reposted the dodge.

Ho hum
Yawn

It never ceases to amaze how the next major event of the bride and groom union is completely omitted by 90% of the keyboard warriors.
The heartbeat of heaven is unknown by them.
Instead they center on a timing component, never understanding WHY the remnant will be one day taken.
They don't even know where!!!!

Dera Lord...help them.
God did everything but put a billboard in their front yard .
....and yet blindness clings to them as if they asked for deception....and have recieved it gladly

Spiritual Israelite said:

You did not such thing. I showed you hands down what will happen to those like the foolish virgins who say "Lord, Lord, open to us" when Jesus comes. He will say He doesn't know them and cast them into the fire where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. And you juts ingore that! You cherry pick scripture and ignore the rest.

Put your money where you mouth is for once and stop being a coward and address what I'm saying. Tell me how the people described in the following passages can possibly be considered believers who you think will end up inheriting eternal life?

Matthew 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. 12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

Luke 13:25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: 26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. 27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

Matthew 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

So, I'm backing up what I'm saying with the Bible, which you should do as well if you want to be taken seriously. These scriptures clearly indicate that people like the foolish virgins who will say "Lord, Lord, open to us" when He comes will be told by Jesus that He doesn't know them and they will be cast "into a furnace of fire" where "there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth".

So, if you want to be taken seriously you will address what I've shown here instead of dodging it like you have so far.


My response that you can see above that is based on scripture shows them to be unbelievers who end up being cast into a furnace of fire. So, if you think otherwise, then show me how you interpret those passages.


LOL. Using scripture to interpret scripture is a wise method of interpreting scripture, but only someone lacking in discernment like you would consider that to be a case of "diverting away with brand new verses". They are related verses, so they are relevant to take into consideration. You are diverting away form the fact that you can't refute what I say about those passages because you won't even address them. How about you address them now if you're so sure that they don't back up what I'm saying?


This is just all your comments and no scripture and no explanations to go along with them. You think this type of argument is going to convince anyone of anything? Do you put your own words on the same level of scripture as if you can convince anyone of anything by your words alone? Are you just incapable of making an argument by showing how scripture backs up your claims? Is that why you don't do that?

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I show you a verse from Matt 24
One from mat 25
One from Rev 3
2 from Rev 14
Then the verse where Jesus commands you to pray to be counted worthy.
Did all your homework for you, to hopefully destroy your ignorance.
Your respose;
" This is just all your comments and no scripture and no explanations to go along with them. You think this type of argument is going to convince anyone of anything? Do you put your own words on the same level of scripture as if you can convince anyone of anything by your words alone? Are you just incapable of making an argument by showing how scripture backs up your claims? Is that why you don't do that?"

Oh I get it.
You can not go toe to toe.
We both know that

rebuilder 454 said:

Lol

Go back and read my post.
Your ASSUMPTION that all believers are rewarded is plain dumb and ignorant.

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Your assumptions are all plain dumb and ignorant. And your view is based on nothing more than assumptions. Are you afraid to address the scriptures I used to back up my view? Meanwhile, you respond with only your words and no scripture, which is a total joke, You are the king of claiming you prove something while doing nothing to back up your claims.

rebuilder 454 said:

Then read your response.
Too funny how you got schooled so badly, that you could not go back and face the verses that you were totally ignorant of.
Instead you just reposted the dodge.

Ho hum
Yawn

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You are the King of dodging my points. Everyone can see that. You can't be taken seriously and no one does.

rebuilder 454 said:

I show you a verse from Matt 24
One from mat 25
One from Rev 3
2 from Rev 14
Then the verse where Jesus commands you to pray to be counted worthy.
Did all your homework for you, to hopefully destroy your ignorance.
Your respose;
" This is just all your comments and no scripture and no explanations to go along with them. You think this type of argument is going to convince anyone of anything? Do you put your own words on the same level of scripture as if you can convince anyone of anything by your words alone? Are you just incapable of making an argument by showing how scripture backs up your claims? Is that why you don't do that?"

Oh I get it.
You can not go toe to toe.
We both know that

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Anyone can show verses, but you can't show what they mean. You give ludicrous interpretations of verses that contradict many others.

rebuilder 454 said:

It never ceases to amaze how the next major event of the bride and groom union is completely omitted by 90% of the keyboard warriors.
The heartbeat of heaven is unknown by them.
Instead they center on a timing component, never understanding WHY the remnant will be one day taken.
They don't even know where!!!!

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You can't even discern what happens to those left behind and who the left behind are.

rebuilder 454 said:

Dera Lord...help them.
God did everything but put a billboard in their front yard .
....and yet blindness clings to them as if they asked for deception....and have recieved it gladly

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Dear Lord, help this poor soul rebuilder 454 to have discernment since he so clearly is completely lacking in it right now.

rebuilder 454 said:

Uh no.

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Opinion noted and respected, but yes. :)

rebuilder 454 said:

You thoughouly tortured all that for doctrine sake.

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That would be a no. :)

rebuilder 454 said:

Very bad to do that.

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There’s definitely some bad ideas floating around here, yes. And yours are not the only ones. :)

Grace and peace to you.

PinSeeker said:

Opinion noted and respected, but yes. :)


That would be a no. :)


There’s definitely some bad ideas floating around here, yes. And yours are not the only ones. :)

Grace and peace to you.

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Look Jr.
Take your little mess somewhere else.
Stop stalking me with your games.
Your posts addressed to me, EVERY SINGLE ONE, has your condescending nothing burger baloney in it
Nothing of substance.
Off topic, and and juvenile stupidity attacks.

Get a life
Get away from me jr. .

Spiritual Israelite said:

Your assumptions are all plain dumb and ignorant. And your view is based on nothing more than assumptions. Are you afraid to address the scriptures I used to back up my view? Meanwhile, you respond with only your words and no scripture, which is a total joke, You are the king of claiming you prove something while doing nothing to back up your claims.


You are the King of dodging my points. Everyone can see that. You can't be taken seriously and no one does.

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All a dodge.
All assumptions
Duly noted.