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[Behold]

Through the power of CHRIST.

Can YOU tell me how an 8-day-old infant can enter a COVENANT with God?
This is precisely what happened in the OT.

By the way - a "Covenant", by definition is an "solemn agreement between 2 or more parties."

You are speaking of the Old Testament.
God has given us a NEW TESTAMENT, and a NEW COVENANT.
Learn about that one, if possible.

 

[BreadOfLife]

You can't stop being born again.

Correct - but you can DIE.
And that is what happenes to an apostate person.

Tell me - HOW does a person become "apostate" if it is "impossible" to become apostate??

 

[BreadOfLife]

Being born agian isn't a process.
Its a Birth.
Stop teaching water cult heresy.
This isn't a "cult of the virgin" forum.

I didn't say it was, junior.,.

Being born again is NOT the issue.
It's whether or not you commit spiritual suicide.

 

[BreadOfLife]

You are speaking of the Old Testament.
God has given us a NEW TESTAMENT, and a NEW COVENANT.
Learn about that one, if possible.

What a pathetic response.

ONE more time:
HOW does an 8-day-old infant can enter a COVENANT with God?

 

[Behold]

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[BreadOfLife]

You just lied.
Do that in your church, but not on a Christian forum.

Jesus was explaining to Nicodemus the distinction between the natural child birth that occurs on earth, and the Spiritual Birth that occurs inside a person.

Now, we realize that your "cult of mary" and the Jehovah's Witnesses, believe that you are born again by water, as that idea comes from a doctrine of devil's that is the Douay Rheims bible.
So give up on trying to bring us into your cult.
You failed

Just as long as YOU are aware that YOUR interpretation of John 3:5 is a relatively NEW heresy that only sprang up sometime in the last few hundred years.

Nicodemus asked about how a man is born AGAIN - not his first birth . . .

 

[Behold]

What a pathetic response.

ONE more time:
HOW does an 8-day-old infant can enter a COVENANT with God?

He cant
The Old Covenant is "done away".
Its replaced.

 

[Behold]

Correct - but you can DIE.
And that is what happenes to an apostate person.

Here is your daily reality check.
You are an apostate, according to your teaching.
You just dont realize it.
See, if you were not an apostate, "junior", you would not teach that water regenerates the spirit.
But you do teach this, and that is "cursed of God" theology, according to Paul.
See : Galatians 1:8

Only apostates teach that water is regeneration, or that you can "lose your salvation".

 

[BreadOfLife]

Only your body dies.
Never your spirit.

you've heard of "hell"?
That is not where your body goes.
Understand?
The body to the grave, the spirit to heaven or hell.

So, all these things we are discussing, have nothing to do with the body., but only to do with the Spirit.
What does that mean?
It means that born again or not, your spirit never dies.
But if its born again, it becomes "ONE WITH GOD"...
Otherwise, you remain "of your father, the devil", = spiritually.

Spiritual death IS damnation, Einstein.
Jesus talks about this (Matt. 10:28, John 3:16, John 3:36).

STUDY your Bible, dude . . .

 

[BloodBought 1953]

To have a righteousness that exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees would mean being exceedingly righteous on the inside; and according to the scripture in question (Matthew 23:26), the outside of the cup and platter will also be clean if we cleanse the inside of the cup and platter first.

You keep revealing your True Self and your Problems more and more each day.....It ain’t “ WE” that does the Cleansing—— It’s HIM !

God has been at work Inside Of me for years now, slowly but surely Cleansing me from the inside out....Transforming me into the Image Of His Son as Promised.....We don't “clean ourselves up” and then “ come to Him”.....We , as Lost , hopeless and helpless Sinners , go to HIM and let HIM do the Cleansing........

My “ Righteousness” is superior to the Pharisees only in the sense that God has Imputed unto me the Perfection Of His Son, Simply because I Rest in Paul’s Gospel Of 1cor15:1-4, Given to Him by Jesus....

I ain’t Perfect in reality by any stretch of the imagination, yet God “Sees” me as “ Perfect “ even though he is far from finished transforming the “ inside of my cup”.... until that day arrives....” on the Other Side” Of this life .....I am covered by His Grace.....and His Grace ALWAYS trump’s my Sin—- Of which there is still plenty! You think I’m Bad now? Lol....you should have seen me before He placed His Spirit in me!

The inward work of God ( not You! ) on the Inside Of the Believer should eventually show up on the outside , it usually takes the firm of more smiling as you start to live out a life of inner peace.....it’s a lot more than just throwing the cigarettes away.....that is shallow thinking , typical of self- Righteous Religious people ..totally unlike the Scowl on the Faces of Those Religionists that merely “ Ape” the Behavior Of a True Christian ....they lack “ The Spirit “ That is Behind Those New Behaviors....They are a miserable lot.....They can’t do what they “ want” to do like True Christians can. I do as I “ want” because I Trust God to Change my “ wants”..... Religionists like yourself will NEVER understand that.....you can NEVER be a “ Free Man in Christ” unless God allows it....it’s a Reward you get fir Resting in the Gospel......it pays immensely to obey God’s Commands.....especially those Commands In Hebrews 3 and 4..... get off the milk of “ don’t do this and do do that” .....actually Start TRUSTING GOD and if you are worried so much about Obedience ......start OBEYING the Gospel ....you do that by RESTING in it.....if you don’t , God says that you are “ Disobedient” and you are guilty of” Unbelief”..... things FAR more serious than puffing on a cigarette or saying a bad word.....grow up in your Walk Of Faith.....

 

[Behold]

Nicodemus asked about how a man is born AGAIN - not his first birth . . .

You never read the verses, or if you did, you read the devil's bible.
He has 2.
1. The Satanic Bible
2. The Douay Rheims.

So, Nicodemus asked Jesus how he could go back into his mother , again, (to be born a second time).
Do you see that part, or is it your comprehension that is the fail, again?

Let me break it down.

Nic speaking.....>"how am i to be born again............how can i go back into my mother".

JC responds....>"you must be born of water, AND (born again) by the SPIRIT.

JC is teaching both births.

The "cult of the virgin", has twisted this verse for 1500 yrs, and they will pay for it, in the end.

 

[Behold]

Spiritual death IS damnation, Einstein.
Jesus talks about this (Matt. 10:28, John 3:16, John 3:36).
. .

So, here is the thing.
Spiritual Death occurred "In Adam", and we are born, into that same.
WE don't die spiritually, after we are born.
We are born spiritually dead, needing to be "born again"? Understand deceiver?
The only option we have is to stay like that, and go to hell, or to be born Again..

 

[Behold]

My Lord, i didn't know all that was going on with him. Considering all this he's coming along pretty well.

I see now I'm gonna have to cut him some slack, I've been to hard on him.

Thanks for sharing that Behold!

We can't know his heart, only his fruit.
All we can do is judge what he writes, and so, that's the continuing problem.
He really enjoys writing, and yet, much of it can harm a new Christian.

Forums are the saddest reality concerning a new believer, or a babe in Christ.
They are going to look for a online forum that is "christian" and they have no idea that the devil has his Mods there, often, and always has his preachers preaching.
So, they show up, and are trying to learn, and they get faith destroyed.
This is tragic.

 

[BreadOfLife]

He cant
The Old Covenant is "done away".
Its replaced.

You never read the verses, or if you did, you read the devil's bible.
He has 2.
1. The Satanic Bible
2. The Douay Rheims.

So, Nicodemus asked Jesus how he could go back into his mother , again, (to be born a second time).
Do you see that part, or is it your comprehension that is the fail, again?

Let me break it down.

Nic speaking.....>"how am i to be born again............how can i go back into my mother".

JC responds....>"you must be born of water, AND (born again) by the SPIRIT.

JC is teaching both births.

The "cult of the virgin", has twisted this verse for 1500 yrs, and they will pay for it, in the end.

Nuthin' like a game of Scriptural Acrobatics to make your point.

Jesus didn't say: Unless a man is born of water, THEN born of the Spirit", Einstein.
He said, "Unless a man is born of water AND the Spirit"

"Water, THEN, the Spirit" = TWO births - natural, THEN spiritual.
"Water AND the Spirit" = ONE Birth, NEW Birth.

STUDY your Bible . . .

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I was Baptized in Christ.
He said that THIS is how a person is born again (John 3:5).

Where is the word baptized there?

 

[kcnalp]

Jesus never said these types were “ going to Hell”...... He said they are “ IN DANGER OF going to Hell.....Not much of a surprise, but you completely missed the Point Of Jesus’ Sermon.....
The POINT is we are ALL in danger of going to Hell.....nobody can meet God’s Standard,which is Perfection .....we ALL need God's Grace .....Jesus did not preach some kind of “Moral Code” That If attained, would make us fit for Heaven.....
Jesus did not preach rules to follow or commands to obey in order to ” Earn” Salvation .....Jesus preached HIMSELF .....he told His Disciples that they “must do the WILL Of The FATHER” in order to get to Heaven....What was the Will Of The Father? “ Believe in the One that He Sent.” So simple most miss it ....Are you one Of Those? I hope not.....

You're in danger of going to Hell?

 

[BreadOfLife]

So, here is the thing.
Spiritual Death occurred "In Adam", and we are born, into that same.
WE don't die spiritually, after we are born.
We are born spiritually dead, needing to be "born again"? Understand deceiver?
The only option we have is to stay like that, and go to hell, or to be born Again..

That's NOT what Jesus said:
Matt. 10:28
And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

1 John 2:24
See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. IF it does, you also will REMAIN in the Son and in the Father.

Matt. 5:13
You are the salt of the earth. But if salt loses its taste, with what can it be seasoned? It is no longer good for anything but to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Catholics don't believe in works righteousness apart from the grace of Christ. The charge of "earning salvation" is a stupid insulting canard. Please stop perpetuating this LIE. His MERCY does not obliterate the need for our cooperation with His GRACE. You seem incapable of understanding the relationship of our free will with God's grace, that's why you keep pounding the drum of "works righteousness". It's stupid and insulting.

it’s stupid and insulting to God to
Claim you do not believe in works. Yet claim unless we do the works of your sacraments we will not be saved

he said whoever eats the food he came to give which endures to eternal life will
Never hunger or thirst never die live forever and be raised on the last day. It’s insulting to God to say he lied

 

[kcnalp]

Repenting of your sins to merit Heaven? That is the thinking of a Fool for ya.....a DAMNED FOOL!

I never said "merit". Stop twisting my words. You're calling me "a DAMNED FOOL"?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Tht's because you don't know how to properly divide God's Word.
Time for a Bible lesson . . .

In John 3:5, Jesus tells Nicodemus HOW a man is born again - of WATER and the Spirit.
- In chapter 1, we read about the Baptism of Jesus - and WHAT do we see?? WATER and the Spirit.
- In chapter 2, we read about the Wedding at Cana and see Jesus using WATER to perform His first miracle.
- THEN, after His encounter with Nicodemus in John 3 - WHAT does Jesus do?? He goes with His Apostles to BAPTIZE.

The first THREE chapters of the Gospel of John are literally DRENCHED in the transofrming WATERS of Baptism - but YOU don't see it.
That speaks volumes about YOU - not Scripture . . .

Whatever dude. You can’t show me the word baptism because it is not there

water in that passage is physical birth

Jesus told him how to be born again. For god so loved the world he gave his only son that whoever believes shall not perish but have life eternal

there is how you are born again

your attribute the work of God in baptism to your priest. That’s blasphemy of the spirit