Once Saved Always Saved

[Behold]

God's grace in salvation does have a condition, just not the condition of meriting it through works.

God's Salvation has one condition.
Its that you do the work of God.
What is that work?

"the work of God is that you BELIEVE on the One whom God sent".

And all who will believe in Jesus shall be Saved.

That's the Gospel.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Oh the glorious Lord Jesus will be praised. We will always and forever rejoice in the Lord.

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amigo de christo said: ↑
Come ye one and come ye all to the glorious savoir JESUS CHRIST.

Amen And AMEN! Hallelujah!! Praise The LORD ForEverMore!!!
All Praise, Honor, And Glory To The Faithful Eternal Saviour, JESUS CHRIST!!!!

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Also, I did not get that from you.


Perhaps not......but you get plenty of other stuff.....I use certain words or phrases and days or weeks later , you are using my same words....I am not complaining .... “ Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery” lol....

 

[Illuminator]

NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS (like everything you have posted here) BUT BY HIS MERCY, HE SAVED US BY THE WASHING AND RENEWAL OF THE HOLY SPIRIT

Good luck trying to earn your salvation. When your ready to stop pumping your chest like the pharisee, and ready to get on your knees like the tax collector. Look me up I will rejoice and praise God

Catholics don't believe in works righteousness apart from the grace of Christ. The charge of "earning salvation" is a stupid insulting canard. Please stop perpetuating this LIE. His MERCY does not obliterate the need for our cooperation with His GRACE. You seem incapable of understanding the relationship of our free will with God's grace, that's why you keep pounding the drum of "works righteousness". It's stupid and insulting.

If anyone asserts that we can, by our natural powers, think as we ought, or choose any good pertaining to the salvation of eternal life . . . without the illumination and inspiration of the Holy Spirit . . . he is misled by a heretical spirit . . . [goes on to cite Jn 15:5, 2 Cor 3:5]​

The Second Council of Orange (529 A.D.) dogmatically taught in its Canon 7.

. . . Man . . . is not able, by his own free-will, without the grace of God, to move himself unto justice in His sight.​

Council of Trent (1545-63): Chapter 5, Decree on Justification.

If anyone saith that man may be justified before God by his own works, whether done through the teaching of human nature or that of the law, without the grace of God through Jesus Christ; let him be anathema.​

Canon I on Justification

The existence of a measure of human free will in order for man to cooperate with God’s grace does not reduce inevitably and necessarily to Semi-Pelagianism, as Luther, Calvin, and present-day Calvinists wrongly charge. The Catholic view is a third way. Our “meritorious actions” are always necessarily preceded and caused and crowned and bathed in God’s enabling grace. But this doesn’t wipe out our cooperation, which is not intrinsically meritorious in the sense that it derives from us and not God . . . Second Orange again:

The reward given for good works is not won by reason of actions which precede grace, but grace, which is unmerited, precedes actions in order that they may be accomplished meritoriously.
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The concept of merit and its corollary reward is well-supported in Scripture (Mt 5:12; 19:17, 21, 29; 25:21; 25:34 ff.; Lk 6:38; Rom 2:6; 1 Cor 3:8; 9:17; Col 3:24; Heb 6:10; 10:35; 11:6; 2 Tim 4:8; Eph 6:8).
Catechism of the Catholic Church - Grace and justification (vatican.va)

You have been corrected before, but you can't stop pounding that drum. Please stop your lies about Catholic teaching on justification. "Works righteousness" is stupid and insulting.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Better yet. I would love for you to show me the word baptized in John 3

Because you see. Jesus told Nicodemus HOW to be born again. And I do not see the word baptize anywhere..

Tht's because you don't know how to properly divide God's Word.
Time for a Bible lesson . . .

In John 3:5, Jesus tells Nicodemus HOW a man is born again - of WATER and the Spirit.
- In chapter 1, we read about the Baptism of Jesus - and WHAT do we see?? WATER and the Spirit.
- In chapter 2, we read about the Wedding at Cana and see Jesus using WATER to perform His first miracle.
- THEN, after His encounter with Nicodemus in John 3 - WHAT does Jesus do?? He goes with His Apostles to BAPTIZE.

The first THREE chapters of the Gospel of John are literally DRENCHED in the transofrming WATERS of Baptism - but YOU don't see it.
That speaks volumes about YOU - not Scripture . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS (like everything you have posted here) BUT BY HIS MERCY, HE SAVED US BY THE WASHING AND RENEWAL OF THE HOLY SPIRIT

Good luck trying to earn your salvation. When your ready to stop pumping your chest like the pharisee, and ready to get on your knees like the tax collector. Look me up I will rejoice and praise God

It's not about "earning" salvatipon.
It's about being OBEDIENT to God.

Matt. 7:21
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, BUT ONLY THE ONE WHO DOES the will of my Father who is in heaven.

Good luck being disobedient and trying to get into Heaven . . .

 

[Charlie24]

I try to give him the benefit of the doubt, regarding his salvation.
Because..He was truly harmed by some deceivers early in his Christianity, and then theologically harmed extensively, by the Epistle to the Hebrews.
His theology, is a hybrid of Catholic, Jehovah's Witness, and Pentecostal Self Saving.

My Lord, i didn't know all that was going on with him. Considering all this he's coming along pretty well.

I see now I'm gonna have to cut him some slack, I've been to hard on him.

Thanks for sharing that Behold!

 

[BreadOfLife]

Sure, that itty bitty thing... Of Confessing Belief...

You are saying, without a Heartful confession, you received the Holy Spirit...
But never mentioned...
Confessing Belief, Receiving Forgiveness, Receiving Salvation of your soul...
Before receiving Quickening of your spirit.

How did the ORDER and WAY not apply to you?

What do you mean??
I DID receive salvation at Baptism.
I DID receive the cleansing of Original Sin at Baptism.
I DID receive the quickening of spirit at Baptism.

You're not making sense . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Like I said,

You have not given me any evidence. Other than your no different that a jew or a Pagan trying to earn you way to heaven

Again, Good luck

OBEDIENCE.
Cooperation with God's grace is obedience.

NOT cooperating with His grace is DISOBEDIENCE.
Good luck with that . . .

 

[Behold]

You have been corrected before, but you can't stop pounding that drum. Please stop your lies about Catholic teaching on justification. "Works righteousness" is stupid and insulting.

"""""A Catholic would reject the idea of justification sola fide informi but wholeheartedly embrace the idea of justification sola fide formata.""""

So here is the issue with "the cult of the Virgin's" idea of Salvation.
Its this..
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Canon 32 on Justification. DS 1582B 842: "If any one says that the works of a man who has been justified [has received first grace] are in such a way the gifts of God that they are not also the good merits of the one who is justified, or that the one who is justified does not really merit by good works, which are done by him through the grace of God and Jesus Christ [does not really merit] eternal life and the attainment of eternal life itself (if however he dies in grace) and even an increase in glory, let him be anathema""""""

See that teaching?
That is "Grace + Works".
That is "The Cross + Works".
And that teaching is Galatians 1:8.
It is "another gospel".

Now, the reason the CC teaches that you can be anathema, (cursed of God), after you are justified by faith, is clearly shown in that Canon.
Its the idea of "meriting salvation", or that our self effort is a part of the redemption process.
And that is the deception.
God's salvation, is a GIFT from God, that does not require anything from us, to get it or to keep it.
If Salvation did require us to "merit" it, as the CC teaches, then this puts the person in the position of being a part of the GIFT of God, by doing works.
And that is not "the Gift of Salvation".

And that is why the CC teaches that you can "LOSE YOUR SALVATiON". like this......"We can, however, merit increases in it (DS 1582; DB 842), since we then have the dignity of sons of God. If we keep that grace, we will enter His mansions. But we could lose it by mortal sin.""""

The reason the CC teaches that you can lose your salvation, is because they believe that salvation is one part God and one part your works.
So, God did his part, and now you are to do your part, and if you do, you don't go to hell.

However, salvation is ALL of God, given as a GIFT and does not accept man's effort as a part of the Gift.

 

[Behold]

OBEDIENCE.
Cooperation with God's grace is obedience.
NOT cooperating with His grace is DISOBEDIENCE.
Good luck with that . . .

Obedience to "God's Grace" is to "believe on the one whom God Sent".

So, stop teaching works in place of Grace, while pretending that this is "salvation".
Its not.
God's Grace is not based on anyone's "merit", but instead its only based on the Blood of Jesus.

 

[Illuminator]

 

[BreadOfLife]

Ive already responded to the topic, a few times.

Here, i'll write for you.

If you are saved, then this means you are born again......not just water baptized, not just confirmed into a cult..... but BORN AGAIN, as a "NEW CREATION">
And that means your Spirit has been BIRTHED into God's Holy Spirit.
You have become "ONe with God", Spiritually..... "in Christ", eternally.
His Spirit in you, and your spirit in God.
This is to be "saved" and there is no changing that by attitude, stupidity, doubt, heretical theology, carnal behavior, or for any other reason.
No person has the power to stop being born again, but a lot of carnal lying people think they can, and teach that you can.

Once you are born again, you are always born again.

And Scripture DISAGREES with you.
These are ALL written to born-again CHRISTIANS as a warning to NOT fall back into darkness or they will LOSE their security . . .

Romans 11:22
“See, then, the kindness and severity of God: severity toward those who fell, but God's kindness to you, provided you REMAIN in his kindness; otherwise you to will be cut off.”
Paul is warning the faithful to REMAIN in God’s favor or they will lose their salvation. How can they lose what they never had?

Hebrews 10:26-27
“If we sin deliberately AFTER receiving KNOWLEDGE of the truth, there no longer remains sacrifice for sins but a fearful prospect of judgment and a flaming fire that is going to consume the adversaries.”
This is a clear warning that falling away from God will result in the loss of our salvation. The Greek ford for “knowledge” used here is NOT the usual word (oida). This is talking about a full, experiential knowledge (epignosei). This verse is about CHRISTIANS who had an EPIGNOSIS of Christ and who can fall back into darkness and LOSE their salvation by their own doing.

2 Peter 2:20-22
For if they, having escaped the defilements of the world through the KNOWLEDGE of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ, again become entangled and overcome by them, their last condition is worse than their first.
For it would have been better for them not to have KNOWN the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment handed down to them.
Here, Peter illustrates that those who had a full, experiential knowledge (epignosei) of Christ – CHRISTIANS – who can fall back into darkness and LOSE their salvation by their own doing.

Matt. 5:13
You are the salt of the earth. But if salt loses its taste, with what can it be seasoned? It is no longer good for anything but to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.
This one is self-explanatory . . .

1 Cor. 9:27
"I pummel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified."
Paul is saying that he wrestles with his own fleshly desires so that he might not fall back into sin.

2 Peter 3:17
Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.
Peter is warning the faithful not to fall back into sin and lawlessness.

1 John 2:24
See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. IF it does, you also will REMAIN in the Son and in the Father.
This is an admonition to try to remain faithful.

Rev. 3:5
He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels.
God cannot blot out a name that was never there in the first place. He is talking about CHRISTIANS who are already saved and how they can LOSE their salvation.

Rev. 22:19
And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
How can God “take away” somebody’s “share” of heaven if they never had it to begin with? This is about CHRISTIANS who may or may NOT make it into Heaven.

 

[Behold]

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[Taken]

What do you mean??
I DID receive salvation at Baptism.
I DID receive the cleansing of Original Sin at Baptism.
I DID receive the quickening of spirit at Baptism.

You're not making sense . . .

Just asking questions.
Puzzled how you received Salvation of your soul, Quickening of your spirit...
* Without believing,
* Without confessing belief,
* Without Repenting.

Could you explain?

 

[Behold]

Tht's because you don't know how to properly divide God's Word.
Time for a Bible lesson . . .

In John 3:5, Jesus tells Nicodemus HOW a man is born again - of WATER and the Spirit.
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You just lied.
Do that in your church, but not on a Christian forum.

Jesus was explaining to Nicodemus the distinction between the natural child birth that occurs on earth, and the Spiritual Birth that occurs inside a person.

Now, we realize that your "cult of mary" and the Jehovah's Witnesses, believe that you are born again by water, as that idea comes from a doctrine of devil's that is the Douay Rheims bible.
So give up on trying to bring us into your cult.
You failed

 

[BreadOfLife]

A person cooperates with God's Grace, when they give God their faith.
He then takes this, and "counts this as Righteousness" and they are "justified by faith".
This means that God has applied the Atonement to them...has made them righteous through the blood of Jesus, and so they remain, forever.
Salvation isn't a process.
Its a "gift". "The Gift of Salvation".

WRONG.
The Bible says it's a process . . .

The Scriptures assure us that we as Christians are ALREADY SAVED (Rom. 5:1, 8:24, Eph. 2:5–8)
This is Initial Salvation – God give us the initial grace to believe.

However, because Salvation is a LIFELONG process – it ALSO says that I am BEING SAVED (1 Cor. 1:8, 2 Cor. 2:15, 7:1, Phil. 2:12, Heb 12:14). This is Ongoing Sanctification – God is sanctifying us throughout our life as we cooperate with his grace.

Because of this, I have the hope that I WILL BE SAVED (Matt. 24:13, Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15).
This is Final Sanctification/Salvation – We die and go to heaven having endured to the end.

 

[Behold]

And Scripture DISAGREES with you.
These are ALL written to born-again CHRISTIANS as a warning to NOT fall back into darkness or they will LOSE their security . . .
.

You can't stop being born again.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Just asking questions.
Puzzled how you received Salvation of your soul, Quickening of your spirit...
* Without believing,
* Without confessing belief,
* Without Repenting.

Could you explain?

Through the power of CHRIST.

Can YOU tell me how an 8-day-old infant can enter a COVENANT with God?
This is precisely what happened in the OT.

By the way - a "Covenant", by definition is an "solemn agreement between 2 or more parties."

 

[Behold]

WRONG.
The Bible says it's a process . . .
.

Being born agian isn't a process.
Its a Birth.
Stop teaching water cult heresy.
This isn't a "cult of the virgin" forum.