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The worker of iniquity in the New Covenant would be a Gospel Denier....an Unbeliever.....
False teaching.

A worker of iniquity is not only a gospel denier and an unbeliever...but their unbelief has practical manifestations....in that they may think that they believe in Jesus Christ; but they deny Him by their works (Titus 1:15-16)...in that they commit sins that are not in accordance with the light that Jesus is.

It is written,

2Co 6:15, And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
2Co 6:16, And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
 
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NewMat 5:20, For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.



Please don’t tell me that you think Jesus was saying we must all kick our Performances into “ overdrive” so that we could out perform the Religious Rulers and finally, in that way, Merit Heaven.....Please don’t tell me that....
Please explain yourself here....it will reveal everything....
 

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Nope....it would be a person who commits sins.

That is what iniquity is....sin....and to be a worker of iniquity is to be someone who commits sins.

Jhn 8:31, Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
Jhn 8:32, And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Jhn 8:33, They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
Jhn 8:34, Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Jhn 8:35, And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
Jhn 8:36, If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.


Didn’t Jesus “ die” for sins? Using your logic , we are ALL “ workers of inequity”....Sorry, That dog won’t hunt.....
 

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NewMat 5:20, For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.



Please don’t tell me that you think Jesus was saying we must all kick our Performances into “ overdrive” so that we could out perform the Religious Rulers and finally, in that way, Merit Heaven.....Please don’t tell me that....
Please explain yourself here....it will reveal everything....

The Pharisees were impeccably righteous on the outside...so for our righteousness to exceed theirs would mean to have an exceedingly righteous lifestyle.

However, there is also this...

Mat 23:25, Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
Mat 23:26, Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
Mat 23:27, Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
Mat 23:28, Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

In some posts you give lip service to the reality of this but in other posts you deny the power of Jesus to cleanse the inside of the cup and platter, saying things like, "We all have thoughts that would shame hell."

Speak for yourself. That is who I was before I gave my life to Christ but not after. For Jesus did the work of cleansing the inside of my cup and platter.

To have a righteousness that exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees would mean being exceedingly righteous on the inside; and according to the scripture in question (Matthew 23:26), the outside of the cup and platter will also be clean if we cleanse the inside of the cup and platter first.
 

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Very likely, John was using hyperbole...which means he was exaggerating to make a point.


Lol....at least give me some Credit when I teach you things....you’re welcome.....lol.....good nite, my Eternal Foe.....Zzzzzzzzz......
 

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Didn’t Jesus “ die” for sins? Using your logic , we are ALL “ workers of inequity”....Sorry, That dog won’t hunt.....
He didn't only die to pay the penalty for our sins...He died to set us free.

Rom 6:22, But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
Rom 6:23, For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Please note that here, the fact that the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord, does not nullify the fact that the wages of sin is death.

We have everlasting life, according to the passage, because we have been made free from sin, are become servants to God, and have our fruit unto holiness.

Everlasting life is
the end of these things.
 

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Very likely, John was using hyperbole...which means he was exaggerating to make a point.


Lol....at least give me some Credit when I teach you things....you’re welcome.....lol.....good nite, my Eternal Foe.....Zzzzzzzzz......
However, I don't think that you agree with me as to the point that John was making with his exaggeration.

Also, I did not get that from you.
 

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In Romans 3:23, the words "come short" are in the present passive indicative as a Greek verb...

Which indicates that we all presently come short of the glory of the Lord any time we are passive / inactive when it comes to pursuing the kingdom of God and his righteousness (as we are commanded in Matthew 6:33).

But it should be clear that in those whom God works both to will and to do according to His good pleasure (Philippians 2:13), He has also done a work of causing them (Ezekiel 36:27) to pursue the Lord indefinitely...so that they are perfected for ever (Hebrews 10:14 (kjv)).
 
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...my Eternal Foe...

No, I am not your eternal foe...

As a matter of fact, I am thinking of the following scripture.

2Ti 3:1, This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2Ti 3:2, For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
2Ti 3:4, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5, Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

Therefore I think that if I can muster up the self-control to leave you to yourself, that it is expedient that I turn away from you;

For it is clear to me that you do have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof.

In that, on the one hand, you give lip service to the concept of "cleansing the inside of the cup and platter" and yet on the other hand you admit that you "have thoughts that would shame hell".

Thus you both claim to have been cleansed on the inside and yet also deny it in other posts as pertaining to the practical application of what that might look like.

You are a heretic, @Blood Bought 1953. So, I am giving you a first warning; and if I have to give you a 2nd warning, I will be obedient to Titus 3:10-11 and will reject you at the 2nd warning. It is at that point that I will turn away from you, as you are one who has a form of godliness but denies the power thereof.

I figured I would give you one more chance. :)

So, if you continue to teach that the doctrine of "Lucky Repentance" is a False and Perverted gospel....when I have already shown you in scripture multiple times why in fact it isn't...you will be rejected as a heretic...as one who is subverted and sinning; being condemned of yourself.

Because it is clear to me that you have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof in the manner that I have pointed out; and therefore, since I know beforehand what your reaction will be, it is as good as done that I am going to turn away from you in short order.

Thus I will not be your "eternal foe" and you may have the opportunity to reconcile with my Lord and Saviour because you are not my eternal foe and therefore you are not His eternal foe...

And this is why I am bowing out of this conversation with you in particular, @Blood Bought 1953.
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I reserve the right to respond to any of your posts in the near or far future....as they might be a springboard for me to preach the true gospel of Jesus Christ to "newbies"...
 
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OSASers are extremely judgmental to those who don't believe OSAS. You can't be lost unless you disagree with OSAS.

ONCE sav-ED is Scriptural teaching.
Sav-ED, is a fulfillment of the the Lord having Accomplish-ED, saving of a mans soul.

Noone has given ANY Scriptural Evidence,
That WORKS Accomplish-ED by Christ the Lord, IN A MAN, becomes, FAIL-ED Works,
BY the power OF man, Over the power of the Lord God, or by ANY other means.

Its not about disagreeing with the saying,
OSAS...
It is squarely About, Disagreeing that power of men can SUPERSEDE the Power of the Lord God,

A man Receiving the Gift of Salvation ...
IS: Squarely AN Offering of the Lord God.
IS: Squarely Given ONCE to a man who Confessed "Heartful" BELIEF.
IS: Squarely AN ACT of the Lords Power
IS: Never superseded, undone, By a mans power, OR the Lords Power.

No one has Proved otherwise.
 

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You can choose to forsake God. I hope you don't!
Yeah I COULD

But what is going to make me change my mind that heaven and hell is not real. That as a sinner I am rightly condemned. And Jesus and the cross is not real? What would cause me to become an antichrist?

Just because someone can does not mean they will.
 

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ONCE sav-ED is Scriptural teaching.
Sav-ED, is a fulfillment of the the Lord having Accomplish-ED, saving of a mans soul.

Noone has given ANY Scriptural Evidence,
That WORKS Accomplish-ED by Christ the Lord, IN A MAN, becomes, FAIL-ED Works,
BY the power OF man, Over the power of the Lord God, or by ANY other means.

Its not about disagreeing with the saying,
OSAS...
It is squarely About, Disagreeing that power of men can SUPERSEDE the Power of the Lord God,

A man Receiving the Gift of Salvation ...
IS: Squarely AN Offering of the Lord God.
IS: Squarely Given ONCE to a man who Confessed "Heartful" BELIEF.
IS: Squarely AN ACT of the Lords Power
IS: Never superseded, undone, By a mans power, OR the Lords Power.

No one has Proved otherwise.

It is clear in the following passages that those who have a lukewarm, shallow, or nominal faith (mere mental assent to the tenets of the gospel) can fall away or be cut off:

Luk 8:12, Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
Luk 8:13, They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.


Rom 11:20, Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21, For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22, Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
 
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Do you Believe that Jesus is the Risen Lord? That is the essence of Romans 10:9......... Simply Believe “ that” and you are “ good to go”, as they say......

Consider the ERAS, ancient, historical, modern, future generational mankind.

An ORDER and WAY, is specific, from the beginning of mankind, through the ERAS, even into the Tribulation.

Select Ancient men, has visions, heard from God, and revealed to other men, who were without visions, without hearing.

Ancient men, stopped Listening to men (who had visions, who heard, who spoke what they saw and heard).

Ancient men, began Listening to men (who made up their own gods, who made MEN gods, who made the moon, stars, earth, animals, etc. their gods, who made man-made Statues their gods).

God ignored such men for centuries, and let them worship false gods, and let them experience the failing of their false gods.

God Revived his WORD, by sending HIS WORD, out of his mouth, IN THE LIKENESS AS A MAN, to teach ANY WILLING LISTENER, of Gods TRUTH.

THIS WORD of GOD, sent in the LIKENESS AS A MAN, First went TO the descendants of the the ANCIENT men, whom God Had given;
Visions and His WORD, "speaking":
Inanutshell....those ANCIENT MEN (their descendants), WERE CORRECT;
THAT THEE ONE HOLY GOD of Creation and Making of ALL THINGS, is the SUPREME, EVERLASTING; Lord God Almighty.
(Not the earth, moon, stars, statues, earthly men, etc.)

THIS "WORD" of GOD, sent in the LIKENESS as a man;
SPOKE, TAUGHT, SHOWED BY EXAMPLE, and
REVEALED, A PRECISE "order" AND "way" FOR ANY MAN, to BECOME:
FORGIVEN "for disbelief",
SOUL, saved "once and forever"
SPIRIT, quickened "once and forever"
SANCIFIED, JUSTIFIED, to be "redeemed"
NEVER, "subject to Gods coming WRATH".


^ THAT is PRESENT "order and way" of THIS ERA...in this day.

THE FUTURE, reveals, AN ENDING, (of the world, as we know it)...having a MIX present ON THIS EARTH of those WHO HAVE submitted to His "ORDER and WAY"...and those WHO HAVE REJECTED, His "ORDER and WAY".

The FUTURE, reveals, An ERA OF "TRIBULATION"...
THAT ^ TRIBULATION IS REVEALED;
IN STAGES.
THE STAGES;
ARE "MEASURES OF WRATH"...
WRATH THAT IS POURED OUT UPON THE WHOLE WORLD.
POURED OUT UPON, ALL MEN, WHO REJECTED ACCEPTING, THE 'ORDER AND WAY' OF JESUS, (the WORD of God, sent in the Likeness AS A man.)

First STAGE of the Tribulation...
THE "WRATH" of the "Lamb of God".
(Which anyone should have learned IS Jesus).
WRATH of the Lamb...
(Remember those who accepted the Lords Offering, order and way, ARE NOT SUBJECT to WRATH).

Second STAGE of the Tribulation...
THE "WRATH" of "Satan."

Both of these Wraths... are upon men ON the EARTH, DURING THE LATTER DAYS TRIBULATION;
OF the Lamb, is for rejecting the Lamb of God.
Of Satan, is for rejecting Satan.

DURING THESE DAYS...
THE Word of God, IS PREACHED, by PROTECTED Witness, (WITH the Spirit of God), SENT by God, first to Jerusalem, then other witnesses, (WITH the Spirit of God), SENT by God to the hills....
* And Finally, TO ALL THE WORLD, Gods appointed Angel, WITH the SPIRIT of God,
SPEAKING the WORD of GOD....
FOR any man (not having pledged allegiance,
TO the Lord God, 'or' TO Satan)...
MAY, simply DECLARE THEIR "BELIEF"...
TO and IN THE Lord God....
or TO and IN Satan.

Their, "Order and Way"... IS: Different.
THEY, Do not get the LONG speech, of ...
Crucified with Christ, soul saving, spirit quickening, living in Christs risen body, waking in the Spirit, teaching others to the Word of God...avoiding Wrath....

These people, simply declare their Belief...
In the Lord God....In Satan...

A declaration of Belief in the Lord God...
THEY BECOME (saved)...and BODILY KILLED.

A declaration of Belief in Satan....
THEY BECOME (unable to bodily DIE)...
THEY BECOME subject to (required ) TO SUFFER the LAST portion of the TRIBULATION, called:
THE GREAT TRIBULATION...
Which IS:
THE WRATH of GOD.

This WRATH (of God)....IS for Rejecting God.
This WRATH (of God)....IS ALSO mixed with A CUP poured out....called GODS VENGENCE.

This VENGENCE...IS by Gods POWER.
This VENGENCE...IS "for" every man who Believed, and was "tormented" BY men, BECAUSE they believed IN the Lord God, and STOOD with the Lord God, NO MATTER WHAT men did to them.

So YES, there shall be a DAY, God shall pour out His Spirit upon the whole world, and a declaration of "simple" belief, will be Acceptable to the Lord God....

But Currently:
The Lords Spirit IS NOT poured out on the WHOLE WORLD...
THE ORDER and WAY in effect, IS EXPRESSLY ...
A Confession of "Heartful" Belief.

Rom 10:
[10] For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Joel 2:
[28] And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
[29] And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
[30] And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
[31] The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
[32] And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

Glory to God,
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If OSAS is true I can't lose! If it's not true many OSASers will lose forever and ever!
What worried me is the amount of people who think they will get to heaven based on their work. only to find out they never knew God and God never new them (depart for I never knew you)
 

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OSASers must have this page missing from their Bibles.
Hebrews 6:4-6 (NKJV)
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

If it was possible for them to fall away. It would be impossible for them to get re-saved.

Be careful how you use this passage, it could bite you if you interpret it wrong.
 

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If it was possible for them to fall away. It would be impossible for them to get re-saved.

Be careful how you use this passage, it could bite you if you interpret it wrong.

that passage refers to apostasy

that’s why they can’t be restored they have lost the faith and renounced Christ

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:


we are in Christ and grace by faith and baptism
But we can sin and lose the grace of God
And also repent and be restored to grace

no one is actually saved until the hour of death matt 28:13
 
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