Dead to the Law

[Charlie24]

Futile self-deception.

Yep, the self-deception is believing you can keep Law by your own doings.

 

[theefaith]

True, but there is a “ catch” .....Jesus did “everything” necessary to provide for the Salvation Of any man that ever lived...all one has to do is “ cash -in” with Faith in regard to that “ Good News” ....Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot.....all those evil men? They are not in Hell today for their enormous sins....Their sins were paid for in full—-They Just neglected to “ cash in” on what had already been accomplished FOR them at the Cross —— they had no Faith......” without Faith , it is impossible to please God”..
How about You ? Do you have enough Faith in the Gospel Of 1Cor15:1-4 to REST in it? If you aren’t “ resting” in it , you are “ working”....which is Adding things to it like infant baptism, confession before another Sinner who wears a funny collar, or the taking of the Sacraments or adding a perfectly timed ( Lucky) Repentance, or refraining from all “ willful” sins, etc.
You’re gonna find out, too late possibly , that the song “ Nothing But The Blood” had it right all along....you sang it mindlessly dozens of times, but not for one second did you actually Believe it....That will be to your Eternal Misfortune.......

do we obtain mercy by being merciful?
Matt 5:7
Forgiven by love?
Lk 7:47
Charity covers sins?
1 pet 4:8

what about suffering?

Christ is our model don’t we imitate Him in sufferings?

Heb 2:9-10 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

He is our model in everything!

Patience Implies suffering!

In order to bear fruit we must deny ourself, suffer, and die!

John 12:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

Jn 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Our principal means of dying is baptism!

Rom 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Romans 6:3
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?


More. Verses about suffering:

Matthew 10:38
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Matthew 16:25
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

John 12:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

25
He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.

Romans 5:3
And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

Romans 5:4
And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

2 Thessalonians 1:5
Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:

Colossians 1:11
Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;

2 Tim 2:3 Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Phil 1:29
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

James 1:2-8
My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing

Hebrews 6:12
That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

Hebrews 12:4
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

1 Peter 2:20
For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Even I can walk on water!
(When it’s frozen)


Can you walk on Fire? That could come in very handy for you some day....lol....Sorry ....I know it was a “ cheap shot”..... just kidding, actually....

 

[Charlie24]

Even I can walk on water!
(When it’s frozen)


Can you walk on Fire? That could come in very handy for you some day....lol....Sorry ....I know it was a “ cheap shot”..... just kidding, actually....

LOL, my fingers work faster than my brain quite often. You're not the only one!

 

[BloodBought 1953]

NO, you have been told time and time again, and given examples in scripture!

Baptized into Christ is the real salvation! When the man said, "I believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God" his sins were forgiven by the Blood of the Lamb and washed away by the Blood. It happened that very second.

Now he is water baptized confessing Christ as His Saviour! The act of water baptism is showing what the Holy Spirit did when He entered and baptized him into Christ.

How hard is this to understand? Can't you see that professing water baptism as necessary for salvation is denying that Christ's shed blood is enough?

I'm telling you it is blasphemy!

The Bible mentions several (9? ) types of Baptism....most of them Dry.....There is only ONE that is essential for Salvation.... “ Baptism into the Body Of Christ”..... one gets that by putting their Faith in Jesus Christ and the Gospel Of Paul—— Plus NOTHING.
And yes, you read it correctly —- it’s PAULS GOSPEL , Given to Him by Jesus personally ....Paul referred to 1Cor 15:1-4 at least 3 times as “ his Gospel”......google it.....

 

[Brakelite]

Then God will see you as a Law-keeper, even though you fail at times.

If God already sees us as law keepers, then for what purpose are we sanctified?
And if God sees sinners as law keepers, ( those who fail at times) does that mean He's "turning a blind eye"?
And if God can "turn a blind eye" to sin, then why did Christ have to die?

 

[BloodBought 1953]

your the one who is outside the church founded by Christ on the peter the apostles and their successors Matt 16:18


Teaching authority of the Apostles and their successors founded in the one true church by Jesus Christ!

Jesus Christ is the head of the church, (eph 5:23) the body of Christ,
(col 1:18) the new and eternal covenant, (pre-figured Jer 31:31) (Heb 8:8) new covenant replaces the Mosaic covenant, (Heb 8:13) Christ replaces David as king, (Lk 1:32-33) Jesus Christ is the only mediator between God and men, (1 Tim 2:5 & Heb 12:24) but a mediator remains on earth mediating between God and His people, but Christ ascended to heaven, (acts 1) before He did He founded His church, on Peter, and the apostles, and their successors!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 2:42 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 16:13
Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

We must be taught by Peter, the apostles, and their successors! Lk 10:16 Matt 28:19 Jn 21:17

Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Lk 1:4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.

Acts 8:30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?

31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

Col 2:7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.

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The obedience of faith!

Rom 1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name.

Taught the one true faith revealed by Christ to His apostles! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3

We are not commanded to read and make doctrine for ourselves but obey those who God puts in authority.

or you could have scripture insights that shows I’m misunderstanding scripture

I ask questions and none can answer them

As I posted previously about catholic Unbiblical Doctrine......they say this proudly, I suppose .Itvshould be said with shame——“ Give us a child until they are seven, and we will have them for life.”

The Brainwashing is being played out in here before your eyes....they put their trust in a fellow sinner that wears a funny collar —- they never read their Bibles —- they just figure,” well, THAT guy must have read it.....we’ll just take his word about everything”
Many Protestant Churches are no better.....at least the catholics are up- front with their ignorance....ya gotta give ‘ em that....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

your not accountable for sins that you truly can’t remember

Lol.....you just make it up as you go along, don’t you?

Got any chapter and verse fir this?

 

[Charlie24]

The Bible mentions several (9? ) types of Baptism....most of them Dry.....There is only ONE that is essential for Salvation.... “ Baptism into the Body Of Christ”..... one gets that by putting their Faith in Jesus Christ and the Gospel Of Paul—— Plus NOTHING.
And yes, you read it correctly —- it’s PAULS GOSPEL , Given to Him by Jesus personally ....Paul referred to 1Cor 15:1-4 at least 3 times as “ his Gospel”......google it.....

Yes, and he mentions that Christ personally gave him that Gospel 3 times in scripture.

If they would study that Gospel in his epistles we wouldn't have anyone to argue with!

Believe it or not, we could all be in one accord as the early church was at one time.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

But I totally agree with you here. I don't see how I could be in error in this case. All cheap grace peddlers claim that any talk of obedience to God is a sure sign of legalism. It really gets old. Like a broken record. Not a word of what sin cost Jesus from any of you. Every time we sin we add to His suffering on the cross, retroactively (I think that's the right word). And don't tell me that's impossible, because God is eternal.

The iniquity of us all was laid on Christ as our Substitute and Security. The guilt of every descendant of Adam was pressing on His heart.

All His life Christ had been proclaiming the good news of the Father’s pardoning love, but now with the terrible weight of guilt upon Him He could not see the Father’s forgiving face.

This pierced His heart with a sorrow that no human can ever fully understand. This agony was so great that He hardly felt His physical pain. Satan wrung the heart of Jesus with fierce temptations.

Hope did not tell Him that He would come out from the grave a conqueror, nor did it tell Him that the Father accepted His sacrifice.

Christ felt the anguish the sinner will feel when mercy will no longer plead for the guilty race.

It was the sense of sin, bringing the Father’s wrath on Him as our Substitute, that broke the heart of the Son of God. Angels hid their faces from the fearful sight.

The sun refused to look on the awful scene. Its full, bright rays were illuminating the earth at midday, when suddenly it seemed to be blotted out. Complete darkness surrounded the cross. “Until the ninth hour there was darkness over all the land.” There was no natural cause for this darkness, which was as deep as midnight without moon or stars. It was a miraculous God-given testimony that would confirm the faith of later generations.

In that thick darkness God hid His presence.

God and holy angels were beside the cross. The Father was with His Son.

Yet He did not reveal His presence. In that dreadful hour Christ was not to be comforted with the Father’s presence. In the thick darkness, God veiled the last human agony of His Son.

All who had seen Christ in His suffering had been convicted that He was divine. Through long hours of agony He had been open to the view of the jeering multitude.

Now He was mercifully hidden by the mantle of God.

A nameless terror held the crowd gathered around the cross.

Cursing and insults stopped.

Vivid lightning occasionally flashed from the cloud and revealed the crucified Redeemer.

Priests, rulers, executioners, the mob, all thought their time to be punished had come. Some whispered that Jesus would now come down from the cross.

At the ninth hour, the darkness lifted from the people but still enclosed the Savior.

No eye could penetrate the deep gloom that enshrouded Christ’s suffering.

Then “Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, ‘Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?’ that is, ‘My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?’”

Many who believed on Him heard His cry of despair. Hope left them. If God had forsaken Jesus, in what could His followers trust?

The spotless Son of God hung upon the cross, His flesh lacerated with stripes, His hands nailed to the wooden bars, His feet spiked to the tree, His royal head pierced by thorns.

And all that He endured—the agony that racked His body, and the unutterable anguish that filled His soul at the hiding of His Father’s face—speaks to each child of humanity, declaring:

For you the Son of God consents to bear this burden of guilt;
for you He plunders the domain of death; for you He opens the gates of Paradise;
for you He offers Himself as a sacrifice—from love to you.

You mention” cheap Grace” in your little mostly Unbiblical Fairy Tale.....you show a vivid imagination!
However, anybody that believes in “ cheap Grace” must automatically believe in the “ Cheap Blood” that purchased it.....shame on you and anybody else that promotes so- called “ cheap Grace”....

 

[amigo de christo]

Remember , be looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God .
Jesus made sure to say , But HE who endures unto the END the same shall be saved .
As paul would make mention . For we are made PARTAKERS of CHRIST if we hold the beginning of our confidence , IN JESUS ,
Firm to the END .
As we see in the message to the churches as well .
Let us continue in the grace of GOD , in Christ , faithful unto the end .

 

[justbyfaith]

Your False Teaching says essentially that Jesus died for all the sins that you had the Super Memory and the Good Luck to think to REPENT OF before you died...

I know you weren't addressing me but for the record, I don't believe that at all. If that were the case, none of us would have any hope, obviously. :)

Frankly I don't believe that, either; although @Blood Bought 1953 misrepresents me as saying that.

What I really believe is that when we come to Christ, we make a 180-degree turn away from sin, death, hell, and satan, towards righteousness, life, heaven, and God.

And this does not consist of dredging up every sin that I have ever committed and specifically repenting of each individual sin. The Holy Spirit will pinpoint those sins over time so that we can confess them and be cleansed, after we are saved.

Repenting means changing your direction so that you are no longer walking in the direction of sin. Then when the Holy Spirit pinpoints a specific sin to you, you will not any longer walk acccording to that sin because you were not walking in sin's direction.

If someone genuinely repents of sin and receives Jesus as the remedy for that lifestyle, the love of God will be shed abroad in his heart (Romans 5:5); which is the fulfilling of the righteousness of the law within him (Romans 13:8-10, Galatians 5:14, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 8:4). And therefore, through the love of the Lord, we will cease from committing sins (1 John 3:9, 1 John 3:6, 1 John 2:17), according to the spirit and not the letter (Romans 7:6); because love fulfills the law and if the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in my life, I am not sinning (1 John 3:4).

Exactly....that is why jbfplusluckyreoentance is in error

However, you have misrepresented my point of view.

It says whosoever BELIEVES and is baptized shall be saved, a true statement.

Therefore it is not going to condemn a man if he is baptized and places his faith in the operation of God.

Being born of water is the natural birth of man, it's not water baptism!

If you count on that and are never baptized, you are gambling your eternity on the idea that you are right. And if you lose that gamble, you lose everything.

Some people thrive in gambling; but I think it is sheer folly to gamble one's eternity on the idea that water in John 3:5 might mean the amniotic fluid of natural birth; especially when baptism is a viable interpretation for what water might mean in that verse. The context bears it out in John 4:1-2.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

I love Catholics. The best job I ever had was at a business owned and run by a family of devout, godly, Catholic people. I miss them so much. It almost brings a tear to my eye.

I love catholics also.....honestly, I can say I never met a catholic man or woman that I did not like....they are great people ..
It’s their “ Fallen From Grace” Doctrine that I hate... Nobody “ adds to the Gospel” as they do, hence putting themselves in that possibly Damnable position....it’s no wonder that they are all nice....they have no understanding of Grace and Forgiveness and figure any mis- step is going to send them straight to the Fires Of Hell! What sad , fearful lives they lead.....
Because of a bunch of Demonic Clowns at “ Trent” ( lol....who gives a rat’s patootie What Those Lost Losers thought?) they openly reject the entire Backbone of the Bible —- “ Justification by Faith”... very sad....very scary...
I actually know quite a few people that got Saved “ DESPITE” the catholic “ church”...... May God be praised! True miracles DO happen!

 

[amigo de christo]

If the jews were cast out of their own tree due to unbelief let that be a warning to the world and churches .
For if one is not in the tree , they have no hope .
Now , to the believers i say , yet not i , but paul said it first ,
Be not highmind but fear , For if GOD did not spare even the natural branches , take heed lest he spare not you .
Behold both the goodness and severity of GOD
Severity towards those who fell , goodness towards thee , IF , IF you continue in HIS goodness
otherwise , just like them , ye gonna get cast out . AND if we are not of the T REE , we have NO SALVATION .
Now endure to the end .
Christ shall supply all we need , HE is able to keep us from falling . BUT if we heed not HE who speaks from heaven
FALL ye shall . HE who endures unto the end the same shall be saved .
Let none sell out to this false all inclusive go spell either .

 

[amigo de christo]

Remember JESUS said , HE who is a hearer but not a doer of HIS teachings , is a man that HAS NO FOUNDATION . That means NO JESUS .
But he who hears and does my sayings , THAT ONE HAS THE FOUNDATION .
This is why james would also warn the church . HE had heard that sermon . Be not hearers only deceiving your own selves .
And if we deny His sayings , we deny HIM , we do deny the FAITH .
AS paul also reminded the church .
IF any provides not for his own , specially for those of his own household , HE has denied THE FAITH , THE FAITH and is worse
than an infidel .

 

[amigo de christo]

Sirs what must i do to be saved . BELEIVE IN JESUS .
Faith in HIM .
Who is our faith in , is it men , or is it in JESUS .
AND if it is in JESUS , then why do we omit some of His sayings . That is not good my friends .
Now either we love JESUS and are TRULY HIS , or we are deceiving ourselves .
I come not to preach theology , an acroynm , or any religoin . JUST JESUS CHRIST .
Let us learn HIM . For many teachers do abound and they serve the flesh
and yet use grace as a license to omit the very teachings of the ONE In whom WE HAVE OUR GRACE , JESUS CHRIST .
IN the end we will all be judged . And many will hear , I never knew you .
DO not under any circumstances follow Rome , these popes or most of even our own protestant scripture twisting teachers .
LEARN JESUS . READ those bibles , learning the sound doctrine well .
FOR the holy scrips , the letters of the apostels , the sayings of JESUS , and all sound doctrine
shall indeed make one wise unto salvation through our faith in Christ .
But if our faith is in men , WE are doomed . LEARN the biblical JESUS , learn those bibles well .
Learn all of what they did teach and write . AND LEARN IT WELL .

 

[BarneyFife]

Paul tells us we don't have a license to sin because we are saved by Grace through faith.

I seriously doubt anyone who thinks that way has ever been saved!

Well, you may be on track there, but you're surrounded by folks who aren't. :)

 

[BarneyFife]

You mention” cheap Grace” in your little mostly Unbiblical Fairy Tale.....you show a vivid imagination!
However, anybody that believes in “ cheap Grace” must automatically believe in the “ Cheap Blood” that purchased it.....shame on you and anybody else that promotes so- called “ cheap Grace”....

You have a wonderful knack for spin, Doctor. :

 

[BarneyFife]

Frankly I don't believe that, either; although @Blood Bought 1953 misrepresents me as saying that.

Imagine that.

What I really believe is that when we come to Christ, we make a 180-degree turn away from sin, death, hell, and satan, towards righteousness, life, heaven, and God.

And this does not consist of dredging up every sin that I have ever committed and specifically repenting of each individual sin. The Holy Spirit will pinpoint those sins over time so that we can confess them and be cleansed, after we are saved.

Repenting means changing your direction so that you are no longer walking in the direction of sin. Then when the Holy Spirit pinpoints a specific sin to you, you will not any longer walk acccording to that sin because you were not walking in sin's direction.

If someone genuinely repents of sin, the love of God will be shed abroad in his heart (Romans 5:5); which is the fulfilling of the righteousness of the law within him (Romans 13:8-10, Galatians 5:14, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 8:4). And therefore, through the love of the Lord, we will cease from committing sins (1 John 3:9, 1 John 3:6, 1 John 2:17), according to the spirit and not the letter (Romans 7:6); because love fulfills the law and if the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in my life, I am not sinning (1 John 3:4).

However, you have misrepresented my point of view.

Therefore it is not going to condemn a man if he is baptized and places his faith in the operation of God.

If you count on that and are never baptized, you are gambling your eternity on the idea that you are right. And if you lose that gamble, you lose everything.

Some people thrive in gambling; but I think it is sheer folly to gamble one's eternity on the idea that water in John 3:5 might mean the amniotic fluid of natural birth; especially when baptism is a viable interpretation for what water might mean in that verse. The context bears it out in John 4:1-2.

Good stuff, JBF. :)

 

[Brakelite]

You have a wonderful knack for spin, Doctor. :

I was thinking the same thing. Reminded me of Marymog although bb would hate that comparison.