BarneyFife
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I love Catholics. The best job I ever had was at a business owned and run by a family of devout, godly, Catholic people. I miss them so much. It almost brings a tear to my eye.
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WHAT IS YOUR HURRY, PEOPLE?
What, indeed, is your hurry?[/QUOTE]
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BarneyFife
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No, not all are saved. But even unconfessed, unrepented sins of the lost require propitiation. Otherwise, we all would have given up the ghost the first time we had a sinful thought.
BarneyFife
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Then what do we with this?
He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. (Mark 16:16)
scratch it out of your Bible!
Also ez 36:25-27
Also Matt 28:19
Acts 2:38
Acts 22:16
Rom 6:3-4
1 cor 12:13
Gal 3:27
Etc! Etc! Etc!
And all Gods promises of the life of grace
Jn 10:10 too
also
Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
In Jn. 3:5 read the context! Born of water is the first birth, the natural birth by water.
Born of the Spirit is the second birth, being born again, the spiritual birth.
Wonder why it doesn't say "he who is not baptized is condemned? Hmmmmmm.......... strange, don't you think?
no it does not say: born of water and born again by the spirit! Nice try
It says: born again BY water AND the spirit
Context of Jn 3:5 “born again”
John1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (John prepared the way by baptism)
John 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. (Old covenant prefiguring of baptism, purification from sin)(His disciples believed because the ever Virgin mother of God interceded Jn 2:11)
John3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (IBaptism)
John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism / water)
John 4:4 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John.
Born again means Baptismal regeneration!
Oh, so when he asked Jesus "how can a man be born when he is old, can he enter the second time into his mother's womb and be born?"
Jesus replied "except an man be born of water and Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God."
Jesus is telling him that he must be born of the Spirit, what Paul called, the baptism into Christ. It's a spiritual birth.
Being born of water is the natural birth of man, it's not water baptism!
None of this conversation between Christ and Nicodemus has anything to do with water baptism!
really?
Then please explain why they immediately went to the river and baptized?????????
John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism / water)
why are they talking baptism
John 4:1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John.
same difference
baptism is the initiation into the new covenant of which the ark of Noah was a type
1 Pet 3:20
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark all died and outside the church there is no salvation!)
Jesus baptized to validate John's baptism of repentance.
John the Baptist preached that Christ was coming, believe in Him and repent.
The baptism of John is exactly the same baptism we have today.
We repent of our sins (that's when we are saved) and then water baptized showing physically in the water what happened spiritually in our hearts at salvation.
Im dying of laughter in that one
John’s baptism is to prepare the way of Christian baptism
Prepare ye the way of the Lord
there’s nothing to confirm it was only an outward baptism of repentance
But why do you call it baptism since water is involved?
nonsense!
We repent of our sins (that's when we are saved) and then water baptized showing physically in the water what happened spiritually in our hearts at salvation.
you have no verse for that!
And they are not the same
John’s was only outward repentance
Christian baptism is the grace of life and regeneration by which we are a new creation in Christ and put in Christ and into the new covenant church
1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Matthew 3:11
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you withthe Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Just drop every verse you know, clear your mind from it all, pretend you know nothing of the scripture as far as being saved.
Now read carefully Acts 10, the entire chapter. When you finish, you will know exactly how the first century Christians were saved and water baptized.
Hearing the Gospel-------- Repenting in their hearts and believing---------Receiving the Holy Spirit-------------- and when it's all said and done, water baptized calling on the name of the Lord revealing what happened in your heart when you believed.
True, but there is a “ catch” .....Jesus did “everything” necessary to provide for the Salvation Of any man that ever lived...all one has to do is “ cash -in” with Faith in regard to that “ Good News” ....Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot.....all those evil men? They are not in Hell today for their enormous sins....Their sins were paid for in full—-They Just neglected to “ cash in” on what had already been accomplished FOR them at the Cross —— they had no Faith......” without Faith , it is impossible to please God”..
How about You ? Do you have enough Faith in the Gospel Of 1Cor15:1-4 to REST in it? If you aren’t “ resting” in it , you are “ working”....which is Adding things to it like infant baptism, confession before another Sinner who wears a funny collar, or the taking of the Sacraments or adding a perfectly timed ( Lucky) Repentance, or refraining from all “ willful” sins, etc.
You’re gonna find out, too late possibly , that the song “ Nothing But The Blood” had it right all along....you sang it mindlessly dozens of times, but not for one second did you actually Believe it....That will be to your Eternal Misfortune.......
BarneyFife
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Errmmm... No
It's not Algebra.
But folks are gonna search for justification for their disobedience addiction and call those who don't Legalists. That much is for sure. It gets worse all the time. 50 years ago no one claimed that the ten commandments were absolved by the new covenant. Nobody. Now it's Hippie Theology. "Just love one another. The Holy Spirit will magically show you how." What do these people think God planned to write on the hearts of New Covenant believers?
Count me out. :)
that’s A 1st
A Protestant say ignor scripture!
Ok I’ll try it and get back with you
That’s a lot of verses to
How much faith is enough?
How long do we need to maintain this faith per Jn 3:16 believes present tense
Matt 24:13 endures until the end (death)
Paul tells us we don't have a license to sin because we are saved by Grace through faith.
I seriously doubt anyone who thinks that way has ever been saved!
See, it's this kind of arrogance, taking what was said to ridiculousness that no one can even reason with you!
Charlie is out!!!
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