It’s common sense, if not a given. For faith is needed for one to genuinely repent unto God. And faith that I speak there is that which comes from God.
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The Myth of saying that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception !
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Rom. 10:13
"So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
Faith to believe comes along with the Gospel when it is heard!
God doesn't just pick who wants to be saved and gives only them the faith to do so.
ByGraceThroughFaith
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Exactly. Reformed theology has openly reacted against the Bible by its false teaching on the Gospel and salvation
Yes, they certainly have, but not only that but many other things.
If he left them no other option, you can't escape the fact that he irresistibly caused them to be unable to follow him.
For more than one purpose. To judge the Egyptians, to display his power and to preserve his people so he could bring the messiah through their linage.
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101G
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@Renniks, he gave the correct answer way back in The Myth of saying that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception !
JOHN 3:16
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JOHN 3:16
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101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
So, you are just making this stuff up?
Because Jesus was amazed at a women's faith. How could he be amazed at what he had given her?
When the disciples as for an increase in faith, Jesus threw the ball back in their court:
5 The apostles said to the Lord, “Increase our faith!” 6 And the Lord said, “If you had faith like a grain of mustard seed, you could say to this mulberry tree, ‘Be uprooted and planted in the sea,’ and it would obey you.
We have gone that road before. So, I will not again repeat what I said about all of that.
I will just repeat this, that God had chosen a people (Israel) from among all peoples of the earth, to make them to be His own people, a holy nation and a kingdom of priests. They were unconditionally chosen by God by the election of grace, not by the works that they have done. These are they who are the children of God. Now, these chosen people refers not to the children according of the flesh, but refers to the children of promise As is Isaac. They were born according to the Spirit, and like Isaac, were born having nothing to do with it. Scriptures identify these chosen people, these children of promise. Do you know who they are?
And I will just add here, it is God who works in them (the children of promise), both to will and to do for His good pleasure.
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God rejects himself? That would be madness.
And no that’s not what I am saying. Rather that is what you are saying I am saying.
Who the chosen are, who the children of God are, are revealed by their believing in God and Him who He sent, Jesus Christ. Those who are not the children of God are revealed by their not believing.
There are questions in my post:
Why did they reject the Lord Jesus Christ? Why did they not believe?
What are your answers to the questions?
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Rabbit trails? No sir. I have explained in detail why I brought those up. Not for anything tou haven’t said, but exactly to refute your contention I quoted from your post.
But anyway, the refutation had been made, so yes, we can leave that issue, if you will. No problem.
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ByGraceThroughFaith
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Yes, faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.
Who are they who can hear? Are the dead able to hear unless God quickened them first? Now, if one does not hear, does that not say that they were not quickened?
Tong
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Do you not know that the Holy Spirit brings to life the Gospel in the heart of hearer who is dead to God?
When the Gospel is heard it demands a response, the Holy Spirit makes the Gospel alive and man must chose one way or the other, there is no in-between.
That’s your view of what I am saying. But that simply is not what I was saying.
All men are sinners and have chosen death over life, even in Adam, thereby have rejected God. They were shown to be not able to save themselves from sin and death, even they who want to be freed. And that is not the fault of God nor is caused by God.
Now, among fallen mankind, God had chosen a people to make as His own people, a holy nation, even a kingdom of priests. But all are sinners and so none is righteous in that respect. Who then would you suppose God will choose? It is by the election of grace that God chooses. His choosing could only by be that which is consistent to His nature, His Deity.
In so doing, was there unrighteousness in God?
If none, and there is none, why then do you argue against my view here saying “If he left them no other option, you can't escape the fact that he irresistibly caused them to be unable to follow him.”? And so, giving you the benefit of a doubt, I take that you are arguing against a straw man view and not my view.
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<<<So, you are just making this stuff up?
Because Jesus was amazed at a women's faith. How could he be amazed at what He had given her?>>>
No I am not. Jesus was amazed. So? He also got hungry, wept, got tired, and so on. And why is that? I am sure you know why. Now, we know that the Son of God knows even the heart of man. That’s why He knows what faith the woman have. Now I ask you a similar question, why was He amazed?
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I was referring to what you said in your post. Just like what you’ve written there, what good does that bring?
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