Fear God or Presume acceptance
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CharismaticLady
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Where is your text? What you've written as the text is right. We must actually be righteous and holy when we die. Some believe that is just trusting in Jesus and His righteousness covers us while we sin underneath. I don't. Do you? I don't know if you do or not.
I appreciate the explanation, and as we've been over this before I think I understand.
But again the sermon on the mount taught the Law to those under the Law. Jesus was revealing how the condition of the heart meant that no one could be righteous under the Law.
The seeming contradiction between Matthew and Ephesians
14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
In the Sermon on the Mount Jesus revealed the depth of condemnation under the Law, showing none could be righteous by it.
In Ephesians, we are taught to share the forgiveness we've received with others.
I do not believe the solution to this question is found in seeing two kinds of sin, rather, in two different natures which are conflicted.
Through faith in Jesus we have access to the grace in which we stand. I believe that the right understanding of justification and a new creation are primary building blocks in this faith.
Much love!
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And that, too me, is the one thing that truly matters the most! In His presence is joy always! And so much love!
The higher law is love. Love, and you won't need to forgive, there will be no offence.
If there is offence, of course, forgive! And the more quickly the better. God being with us helps us see those times should they come, and gives us wisdom to know and understand what we did and need to do.
If we are walking in love then we are already walking in forgiveness of others, being patient and longsuffering, understanding that we aren't the judge of others, we are to be giving them the love of God through us. God's love I think transcends everything in this world, in my flesh, in any conflicts with others.
God's love, the perfect bond of unity, because love keeps no record of wrongs, believes all things, hopes all things, is looking for something very good to come from all that goes on.
Walking in love is to have love flowing out to others in a torrent that doesn't really allow a backwash, if you understand what I'm saying.
Much love!
Who is the new man? Where does he come from? What does it mean to put him on?
Please consider these questions.
We are justified by Jesus' obedience, not our own.
Let me ask you.
Did Jesus sin sins "not unto death", or was it that He committed No sin?
You keep talk about being "covered", that is Old Testament, kophar, cover, atone.
In the OT, sins were covered. Now, God creates a new man. Born of God. Sharing God's nature. This is how we are justified away from sin. Freed from sin. The new man. A new creation. Righteous and Holy. Put him on.
Much love!
CharismaticLady
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I believe he never taught the law, but only how the law was lacking. The one born again of the Spirit will fulfill the righteous requirements of the law - the deeper things of the heart. Jesus gave examples in the sermon. And that agrees with Romans 8:1-9
CharismaticLady
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For me, to put on the new man is to recognize that there Is a new man, that God created me new, patterned after Him, and that this new man reflects God's character. So that at any time in an was I realize I'm not reflecting God's character in my thoughts, words, actions, then I refocus on the fact that I am a new creature, who was born of God, and that all that I am, all I'm made to be, is summed up being in a love relationship with my Creator God.
In Him is eternal life. Life in Him transcends all else. And yes, sometimes we need to "put on the new man". Even if it is just in releasing anger and forgiving someone else, because we weren't living in love.
In Him we love.
In Him is eternal life. Life in Him transcends all else. And yes, sometimes we need to "put on the new man". Even if it is just in releasing anger and forgiving someone else, because we weren't living in love.
In Him we love.
This is saying that the sermon on the mount is the "Law of the New Covenant", but I don't think that is correct. The law of the new covenant is love, is Christ. To live as He lives. Remember, God was in Christ not counting their sins against them.
Jesus said, neither do I condemn you, though He was the One Who could. The law of love does not register a wrongdoing against us. We're not to concern ourselves with that. God is the righteous judge. I'm not to go around saying so and so did this wrong to me, so now I have to forgive them, no, we simply loves others in whatever way that love is at that moment.
Jesus was not imputing His Own murder against His murders as they murdered Him. That's love!
Why so few bother with there testimonies, as one one posted searching for those who claim to be spiritual, but dont fit"his" idea of what they shoudl look like, so he refuses to see because HE wont find what he is looking for. And I cant remember where, If i find it ill link it. Might even have a copy here somewhere.
This is pretty stupendous. I read it very fast and need to read it again slower because I forget if you included this one:
If we abide in Him we do not sin.
Hogwash! If we abide in Him we WILL still sin!
Your Gnosticism cannot defeat the overwhelming words of God in Scripture. You are correct that God is not blind:
"Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother." 1 Jn. 3: 6-10.
God sees! God knows!
So, your personal failures dictate that God is wrong?
Eternally Grateful
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Holiness is not legalism your Correct
holiness is what God does to his children as he changes them, as scripture says, he who began a good work will complete it,
legalism is to make holiness a requirement for salvation.
if your already holy, you do not need saved, something to ponder,
You are half correct: God changes the sinner into the saint, God works holiness in the believer. You out of one side of your mouth that God is the Cause and gets the credit, and out of the other side of your mouth that God is inept or incapable of doing what He requires in the one that is trusting and believing God.
Holiness is required: "Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord:" Hebrews 12:14.
No that God is right a bit like David
Act_13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will.
A man not perfect not even under grace with all his problems still pleased God .
1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
so I guess we have many that have no truth in them
Should I add, there is a big difference between God not seeing you sin and you not sinning, and I 100% agree, God knows isnt blind, you cant hide behind the bible its not big enough,
Luk 18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
Luk 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
Luk 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
Luk 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
Luk 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
Which one are you...
David was lost for at least 9 months until his son was born. David was only a man after God's own heart in his repentance; not his sin.
The Bible is against sin from cover to cover, and it is also an astonishing religious book in that it shows the frailties and failures of people that are of that faith. The first lie in the Bible is the lie that you can sin and not die spiritually. Why should the devil change a lie that people will so easily accept? How is it that that first lie and deception still runs rampant and is believed more than what God says about it?
But one must strain to 1 Jn. 1:8 to defend the devil and their sin. It is dealing with Gnosticism and Gnostics within the church that John is writing to. Verse 7 already states that Jesus Christ cleanses from ALL sin. How much sin is left if ALL is already cleansed? In verse 9, says if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us ours sins, and to cleanse us from ALL unrighteousness. John's rhetoric by using "we" is to a mixed group, and in no way says that John or his Christian part of his audience ever said that they never sinned or had any sin to be cleansed of; but the Gnostics believed that! John no more is saying that Christians sin in verse 8 than he says in verse 9 where he uses "we", that their are Christians and he himself have never confessed their sins , had them forgiven and cleansed.
Take a step back to verse 7. The opposite is inevitable.... if you do not walk in the light as He (Jesus) is in the light, you do not have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son does not [present tense] cleanse you!
The apostle John writes in his First Epistle, “My little children, these things I write unto you, that ye sin not.” (Gk, a singular act of sin.) (2:1). “And if any man sin” (not “when”). (2:1).., “He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.” (2:4). “He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.” (2:10). “Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.” (3:6). “He that committeth sin is of the devil.” (3: 8). “Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;” (3:9). Notice that this does not speak of maturity, advanced sanctification, education, etc., it speaks of the grace to not sin occurring at the New-Birth. “Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.” (3:7). “For whatsoever is born of God overcommeth the world: and this is the victory that overcommeth the world, even our faith.” (5:4). “We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and the wicked one toucheth him not.” (5:18). “If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth.” (1:6). John says point blank that sinning, or walking in the darkness was incompatible with being a Christian. The same writer of 1 Jn. 1:8 could not say all the things he said against sin and not be the most self-contradictory writer in the Bible. But if we observe that First Chapter attacks the Gnostic beliefs, it is easy to avoid such contradiction and wrench 1 Jn. 1:8 out of its context to promote what the Bible everywhere says is not so.
The meager 4-5 twisted Scriptures that are thrown around as if they were the Gospel that defy every other passage in the Bible concerning sin, is why the Church is failing. God is against sin. The wages if sin is death. Jesus came to save His people from their sins, not in their sins.
The misapplied passages that people use to excuse their sin and still be a Christian reminds me of the story of when W.C. Fields was in the hospital a friend stopped by to see him. He was shocked to see W.C. Fields reading a Bible. Seeing the expression on his friends face he said, "I'm looking for loopholes!"
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