Is God evil?

[farouk]

Well, it is doubtful that these costumes would inspire lust. ;)

They even used to have machines which went right into the water so that no one could see them...

 

[tzcho2]

No, I am not.

Perhaps it is you Challenging Gods creation, based on misunderstanding.





Why deflect? That was not claimed or the topic or the point.



Never said it was.

And so, your point is, God ALLOWS "evil"...wihtout First Establishing the creation of what EVIL is?



Well, okay. That is Your option. Doesn't make you right and others wrong or others right and you wrong.

I don't have to bad-mouth your Elected Version as pseudo "proof" that "my" Primary Elected Verizon is Bible Scripture....and yours is not.

I don't really care what version of Scripture people choose....I am quite confident they all say God is the Creator and Maker...and to argue against that, doesn't make me wonder about your Bible Version Choice, but rather why, you fear the truth of Gods creations.

There are many men who challenge God...
Saying HOW CAN A GOD WHO IS LOVE...
Create death, hell a place of torments, evil, disasters, diseases, etc.

If you believe God is the creator, but did not create those things....then WHO DID create them?

Glory to God,
Taken

Interesting when some like to take up as much real estate as possible in their posts.
I can't make it clearer, what you call evil is not evil -it is because of a BAD choice of translation of the KJV.
I didn't deflect. I was stating a fact, God doesn't create sin, He doesn't create "evil" either , but HE WILL DEAL with it.
I think I'll go chat with some adults for awhile now, bye, bye.

 

[Taken]

Scripture says;
Isa 45
[7] I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Taken said;
God created Evil

And Enoch111, says...---->

That is TOTAL NONSENSE.

God allows evil to exist, but to claim that God created evil is to blaspheme God. God HATES sin and evil.

God ALLOWS something to EXIST, that He did not create?

I'll stick with what God Claims...
He created EVIL.

And I'll stick with what God Teaches...
It is to a mans all round well being TO AVOID EVIL.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Interesting when some like to take up as much real estate as possible in their posts.
I can't make it clearer, what you call evil is not evil -it is because of a BAD choice of translation of the KJV.
I didn't deflect. I was stating a fact, God doesn't create sin, He doesn't create "evil" either , but HE WILL DEAL with it.
I think I'll go chat with some adults for awhile now, bye, bye.

I find it interesting, and telling...
When a person makes a claim;
Verifies it with scripture...

And another Disagrees, and then Buttresses their "disagreement" with NO rebutting Scriptures....and Deflections from the point and Then carries on with UNFOUNDED ACCUSATIONS..."AS IF", that is sufficient to establish their "disagreement" as valid.

You can claim umpteen times in as much "real estate" as you please that;

'God ...doesn't create "evil"

And I will still trust Scripture Over you.

So, probably best you do go chat with adults who agree with you, whether or not it is Scriptural.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[CoreIssue]

That is TOTAL NONSENSE.

God allows evil to exist, but to claim that God created evil is to blaspheme God. God HATES sin and evil.

God creates natural calamities and disasters such as earthquakes, tornadoes, tsunamis, etc. But all of nature is under His control, and the natural creation was subjected to a curse when Adam sinned.

But the KJV does say created evil. Yet another error.

Isaiah 45:7 New International Version (NIV)
7 I form the light and create darkness,
I bring prosperity and create disaster;
I, the Lord, do all these things.

 

[tzcho2]

But the KJV does say created evil. Yet another error.

Isaiah 45:7 New International Version (NIV)
7 I form the light and create darkness,
I bring prosperity and create disaster;
I, the Lord, do all these things.

And personally, I like the KJV , but I'm not married to it, nor does this preference make me stubbornly blind. :cool:

 

[CoreIssue]

And personally, I like the KJV , but I'm not married to it, nor does this preference make me stubbornly blind. :cool:

Good for you.

 

[Enoch111]

But the KJV does say created evil. Yet another error.

It is not an "error" since disasters and calamities and their impact on human beings are evil or harmful. When there is a huge earthquake and hundreds of thousands die while their homes are totally destroyed, they perceive this as a bad thing. No one sees disasters as good things.

That is not the same as sin, evil and wickedness -- moral and spiritual evil. God hates iniquity, and Christ hates evil deeds and doctrines.
But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate... So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.

 

[Enoch111]

God ALLOWS something to EXIST, that He did not create?

Precisely. God created the beautiful and perfect angel Lucifer. Lucifer created himself into the Adversary -- Satan -- by His rebellion.

God created Adam and Eve as perfect. Adam and Eve chose to create themselves as disobedient imitators of Satan.

God is presently allowing sin and evil to exist and to also increase. There will come a time when He will ALLOW Satan and the Antichrist to take total control of this world for 3 1/2 years.

 

[tzcho2]

I find it interesting, and telling...
When a person makes a claim;
Verifies it with scripture...

And another Disagrees, and then Buttresses their "disagreement" with NO rebutting Scriptures....and Deflections from the point and Then carries on with UNFOUNDED ACCUSATIONS..."AS IF", that is sufficient to establish their "disagreement" as valid.

You can claim umpteen times in as much "real estate" as you please that;

And I will still trust Scripture Over you.

So, probably best you do go chat with adults who agree with you, whether or not it is Scriptural.

Glory to God,
Taken

There have been no deflections used by me or anyone else in this discussion with you, we have just facts,logic & reason but to no avail. The scripture tells us that God hates sin & evil and it says He is going to punish those who do evil.

 

[Taken]

[QUOTE="Enoch111, post: 556826, member: 7853 Lucifer created himself into the Adversary -- Satan -- [/QUOTE]

Adam and Eve chose to create themselves as disobedient imitators of Satan.

Farout!

And according to your own words...
what Scriptures describe Lucifer and Adam and Eve as "creators" ?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[CoreIssue]

It is not an "error" since disasters and calamities and their impact on human beings are evil or harmful. When there is a huge earthquake and hundreds of thousands die while their homes are totally destroyed, they perceive this as a bad thing. No one sees disasters as good things.

That is not the same as sin, evil and wickedness -- moral and spiritual evil. God hates iniquity, and Christ hates evil deeds and doctrines.
But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate... So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.

Why is the KJV and its variants the only ones that say evil?

 

[CoreIssue]

Precisely. God created the beautiful and perfect angel Lucifer. Lucifer created himself into the Adversary -- Satan -- by His rebellion.

God created Adam and Eve as perfect. Adam and Eve chose to create themselves as disobedient imitators of Satan.

God is presently allowing sin and evil to exist and to also increase. There will come a time when He will ALLOW Satan and the Antichrist to take total control of this world for 3 1/2 years.

Adam and Eve didn't create anything. They chose to follow his example.

 

[Taken]

There have been no deflections used by me or anyone else in this discussion with you, we have just facts,logic & reason but to no avail.

Really....? facts?
Your fact is...the KJV is a bad translation?
Your fact is ...the KJV is NOT the Lords word?
Your fact is....I made false statement?

Those may be your facts, but they are not my facts.

Really....? Logic?
Logic comes from the Carnal Mind, and Yes I have noticed your Logic.

I give Logic no consideration concering Scriptural things.

Really....? No deflection?

Your list of calamity, distress, misery, adversity...
AND NOT cosmic, NOT moral, NOT metaphysical.....

Is your total deflection of your attempt to define Evil.

And then Enoch claims Lucifer and Adam and Eve Created Evil!

CoreIssue said;
"For God to have created EVIL he would have to be"....

The scripture tells us that God hates sin & evil and it says He is going to punish those who do evil.

The KJV teaches me;
God created Evil.
God is Good.
And God desires us to reject Evil and seek Him to Be Like Him.

If that is wrong or offensive to you, you will have to contend with that.
Making accusations that my Bible is wrong, that my Bible misleads me, and that I made false statements....is simply based on your opinion, and irrelevant.


Glory to God,
Taken

 

[CoreIssue]

Really....? facts?
Your fact is...the KJV is a bad translation?
Your fact is ...the KJV is NOT the Lords word?
Your fact is....I made false statement?

Those may be your facts, but they are not my facts.

Really....? Logic?
Logic comes from the Carnal Mind, and Yes I have noticed your Logic.

I give Logic no consideration concering Scriptural things.

Really....? No deflection?

Your list of calamity, distress, misery, adversity...
AND NOT cosmic, NOT moral, NOT metaphysical.....

Is your total deflection of your attempt to define Evil.

And then Enoch claims Lucifer and Adam and Eve Created Evil!





The KJV teaches me;
God created Evil.
God is Good.
And God desires us to reject Evil and seek Him to Be Like Him.

If that is wrong or offensive to you, you will have to contend with that.
Making accusations that my Bible is wrong, that my Bible misleads me, and that I made false statements....is simply based on your opinion, and irrelevant.


Glory to God,
Taken

The King James version is wrong there as it is in many other places, such as Easter instead of the correct Passover.

It is the Bible, but a very flawed one.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

They even used to have machines which went right into the water so that no one could see them...

LOL I'm reminded of a story my sister tells. Her mother-in-law was a bit of a crafter and sewed a sort of purple-flowered, flannel mumu for my sister, for Christmas one year (my sister said that it really was ugly and shapeless). My sister and her husband just had one child at the time. My brother-in-law took one look at the mumu and grunted, "If you expect to ever have another child, I would suggest you never wear that around me." My sister and I still laugh about that when we tell mother-in-law stories.

 

[Enoch111]

...such as Easter instead of the correct Passover.

Get yourself a bunny and some eggs, and you will be happy that it says Easter.

 

[CoreIssue]

Get yourself a bunny and some eggs, and you will be happy that it says Easter.

I am not happy with anything that alters the Bible into error.

On top of that Easter is pagan.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

I am not happy with anything that alters the Bible into error.

On top of that Easter is pagan.

Yes--Middle Eastern pagans had some unspeakable rituals (don't ask) associated with "Easter".

 

[tzcho2]

Really....? facts?
Your fact is...the KJV is a bad translation?
Your fact is ...the KJV is NOT the Lords word?
Your fact is....I made false statement?

Those may be your facts, but they are not my facts.

Really....? Logic?
Logic comes from the Carnal Mind, and Yes I have noticed your Logic.

I give Logic no consideration concering Scriptural things.

Really....? No deflection?

Your list of calamity, distress, misery, adversity...
AND NOT cosmic, NOT moral, NOT metaphysical.....

Is your total deflection of your attempt to define Evil.

And then Enoch claims Lucifer and Adam and Eve Created Evil!





The KJV teaches me;
God created Evil.
God is Good.
And God desires us to reject Evil and seek Him to Be Like Him.

If that is wrong or offensive to you, you will have to contend with that.
Making accusations that my Bible is wrong, that my Bible misleads me, and that I made false statements....is simply based on your opinion, and irrelevant.


Glory to God,
Taken

You are misquoting and misrepresenting what I said and adding things I NEVER said and gone off on some irrational emotional tangent.
You can contend with yourself.