Spiritual Israelite
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You know silly very well, don't you silly boy Jerry?How silly.
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Spiritual Israelite
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LOL. Nowhere does it say the sheep represent the nations. What do you think, that entire nations will inherit eternal life in the kingdom prepared for them from the foundation of the world? You are theologically trouncing YOURSELF with your extreme nonsense. I just have to sit here and watch.You're the one with the reading problem,
Matthew 25
32 Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
If they have to be separated, it means they were together beforehand. It means they are separated to stand on the right and left only after they were together.
And the passage states the sheep represent the NATIONS, not the brethren, bride of Christ.
You like getting a metaphorical theological trouncing, don't you?
Spiritual Israelite
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You will not be missed.I'm done for the night with the silliness. I'll be back when I get around to it.
Let HER talk for herself. We have a history, and she has a head on her shoulder, more than I can say for you.
lol, Her? Does my profile say female?
You seem to be arguing there are 3 groups in the parable:
- the brethren who consist of the hungry, poor, naked, and imprisoned
- The righteous
- The wicked
Davy
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Leave it to those of the circumcision to create confusion about the simple Matthew 25:31-46 Scripture.
Matt 25:31-34
31 When the Son of man shall come in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then shall He sit upon the throne of His glory:
Those "holy angels with Him" represent the asleep saints that 1 Thessalonians 4:13-16 says Jesus will bring with Him when He comes. The rest of His faithful Church will still be alive on earth when He appears from Heaven with those resurrected saints with Him.
32 And before Him shall be gathered all nations: and He shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
That future separation of Christ's sheep from those goats is the future 1 Thessalonians 4:17 event with the rest of the Church that is still alive on earth at His coming being "caught up" to Jesus in the "air", and thus to Him and His resurrected saints He brings with Him.
Thus those "sheep" represent HIS CHURCH also; the alive ones "caught up" on the day of His coming. (See also John 10 where Jesus refers to His faithful Church as His "sheep").
33 And He shall set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on His right hand, "Come, ye blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
KJV
And with that 34th verse, it is really EASY... to KNOW those "sheep" represent CHRIST'S FAITHFUL CHURCH that wait on His future coming!
But if one listens to those of the circumcision, they'll have you believing stupid ideas like those "sheep" represent unsaved nations! No, it's those "goats" that represent the unsaved nations on the day of Christ's future return to this earth.
Oh, and yeah, Jesus RETURNS TO THIS EARTH, not back up into Heaven with His bride. The Zechariah 14 Scripture is proof of this, as it reveals Jesus and all His elect saints will descend to the Mount of Olives, ON EARTH, east of Jerusalem. And that is where His future reign over those "goats" with His "rod of iron" will begin from.
Matt 25:31-34
31 When the Son of man shall come in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then shall He sit upon the throne of His glory:
Those "holy angels with Him" represent the asleep saints that 1 Thessalonians 4:13-16 says Jesus will bring with Him when He comes. The rest of His faithful Church will still be alive on earth when He appears from Heaven with those resurrected saints with Him.
32 And before Him shall be gathered all nations: and He shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
That future separation of Christ's sheep from those goats is the future 1 Thessalonians 4:17 event with the rest of the Church that is still alive on earth at His coming being "caught up" to Jesus in the "air", and thus to Him and His resurrected saints He brings with Him.
Thus those "sheep" represent HIS CHURCH also; the alive ones "caught up" on the day of His coming. (See also John 10 where Jesus refers to His faithful Church as His "sheep").
33 And He shall set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on His right hand, "Come, ye blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
KJV
And with that 34th verse, it is really EASY... to KNOW those "sheep" represent CHRIST'S FAITHFUL CHURCH that wait on His future coming!
But if one listens to those of the circumcision, they'll have you believing stupid ideas like those "sheep" represent unsaved nations! No, it's those "goats" that represent the unsaved nations on the day of Christ's future return to this earth.
Oh, and yeah, Jesus RETURNS TO THIS EARTH, not back up into Heaven with His bride. The Zechariah 14 Scripture is proof of this, as it reveals Jesus and all His elect saints will descend to the Mount of Olives, ON EARTH, east of Jerusalem. And that is where His future reign over those "goats" with His "rod of iron" will begin from.
Are you saying that the angels that do the gathering/separating at the end of the age in the parable of the weeds, the parable of the net, and the olivet disourse are the dead saints that come from heaven with Jesus?
Davy
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Why in the world would you think I said that?
Are you TRYING... to put YOUR OWN ideas into my mouth?
Don't you even know what the 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 Scripture teaches??? You kind of reveal you do NOT know just by your vain question.
Spiritual Israelite
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LOL! I guess he doesn't have much of a history with you, after all. His discernment of your gender seems to match his discernment of scripture.
Spiritual Israelite
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You're correct that the sheep represent the church, but how do you have Jesus reigning over the goats when it says they will be cast "into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels" at that time?
Matthew 25:41 Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
Your posts are sometimes difficult to follow, so I am asking follow up questions to clarify. You appear to have said, in post 426 , the "holy ones" in matthew 25:31 that come with Christ at the separating of the sheep and the goats should be understood as the "asleep saints" based on 1 thessalonians 4?
Why wouldn't these holy ones, from matthew 25:31, be understood as the angels from the parables of the weeds/net? or the angels that come and gather as stated in the olivet discourse?
LOL, nowhere does it say the sheep represent the bride. In fact, they can’t represent the bride because she was already separated from the goats according to 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17. That is, she can’t represent the sheep unless you believe she was joined to the goats again when Christ returns to earth, which apparently is how you and claninja see it. But in refutation, the previous chapter holds that when Christ appear in the air he sends his angels “with a loud trumpet call” to “gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other” (verse 31). Like I said, the sheep can’t represent the bride unless one wants to believe the dumb idea that Christ joins the bride again with the goats when he returns to earth,You will not be missed.
Matthew 25
32 Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. ESV
If they have to be separated it means they were discovered TOGETHER. You have the bride discovered TOGETHER with the goats when Christ returns to earth, which is a dumb idea in light of 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17. You do have a problem in comprehension, don’t you?
Oh, you’ve tried to worm your way out of it by saying dumb stuff like, “they are already separated into two groups at this point, but they have not yet been separated from each other…” But Matthew 25 conveys the sheep and goats aren’t separated until Christ returns to earth, which undermines 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 and Matthew 24:31.
BTW, you do know the goats are on earth, don’t you, or do you have them in heaven or in the clouds with the saints? No telling with you, because you have a lot of dumb ideas.
Furthermore, verse 40 also affirms the sheep and brethren are not the same. If they were the same Christ would have said, when “ye have done it unto one of the least of YOUR brethren, ye have done it unto me.” But he didn’t say that. He said, when “ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me,” which maintains the sheep in the passage don’t represent the brethren, the bride of Christ. In truth, there are three groups in Matthew 25:32-46.
As I said, the solution is that the sheep in the context represent those who are saved out of the nations when Christ returns, whom we see bringing their glory to the bride in the eternal state,
Revelation 21
23 And the city has no need of sun or moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and its lamp is the Lamb.
24 By its light will the nations walk, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it,
And last but not least and to repeat myself, you don’t know how to read. It’s ludicrous to state, “Nowhere does it say the sheep represent the nations” when verse 32 overtly states the NATIONS represent the sheep and goats.
I’d like to trigger you further, but I’m not interested in looking in on forms every day. My time is too valuable. But I will not neglect to come back when it suits me to mortify you.
Like I said, you like getting a metaphorical theological trouncing, don't you?
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Pardon me for misgendering you; as a Hispanic to me your handle is feminine, no offence.
As to your query, it's clear to me that you haven’t really read my previous posts, which is why I was confused about your initial interjection. When I get into a debate, I like to read the opinion of the person I’m going to debate so I know what to say. Apparently, you don’t but that’s where we’re different.
And the reason I asked for clarification, is because I don’t like repeating myself, when I’ve already addressed the issue.
So, if you don’t know what my view is by now it’s because you haven’t really read my posts, so to make it easy for me I addressed you query in my post to the other guy who thing the sheep represent the bride.
Spiritual Israelite
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LOL. You're not a serious person and you're just a child. I'm looking to talk to adults.LOL, nowhere does it say the sheep represent the bride. In fact, they can’t represent the bride because she was already separated from the goats according to 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17. That is, she can’t represent the sheep unless you believe she was joined to the goats again when Christ returns to earth, which apparently is how you and claninja see it. But in refutation, the previous chapter holds that when Christ appear in the air he sends his angels “with a loud trumpet call” to “gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other” (verse 31). Like I said, the sheep can’t represent the bride unless one wants to believe the dumb idea that Christ joins the bride again with the goats when he returns to earth,
Matthew 25
32 Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. ESV
If they have to be separated it means they were discovered TOGETHER. You have the bride discovered TOGETHER with the goats when Christ returns to earth, which is a dumb idea in light of 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17. You do have a problem in comprehension, don’t you?
Oh, you’ve tried to worm your way out of it by saying dumb stuff like, “they are already separated into two groups at this point, but they have not yet been separated from each other…” But Matthew 25 conveys the sheep and goats aren’t separated until Christ returns to earth, which undermines 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 and Matthew 24:31.
BTW, you do know the goats are on earth, don’t you, or do you have them in heaven or in the clouds with the saints? No telling with you, because you have a lot of dumb ideas.
Furthermore, verse 40 also affirms the sheep and brethren are not the same. If they were the same Christ would have said, when “ye have done it unto one of the least of YOUR brethren, ye have done it unto me.” But he didn’t say that. He said, when “ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me,” which maintains the sheep in the passage don’t represent the brethren, the bride of Christ. In truth, there are three groups in Matthew 25:32-46.
As I said, the solution is that the sheep in the context represent those who are saved out of the nations when Christ returns, whom we see bringing their glory to the bride in the eternal state,
Revelation 21
23 And the city has no need of sun or moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and its lamp is the Lamb.
24 By its light will the nations walk, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it,
And last but not least and to repeat myself, you don’t know how to read. It’s ludicrous to state, “Nowhere does it say the sheep represent the nations” when verse 32 overtly states the NATIONS represent the sheep and goats.
I’d like to trigger you further, but I’m not interested in looking in on forms every day. My time is too valuable. But I will not neglect to come back when it suits me to mortify you.
Like I said, you like getting a metaphorical theological trouncing, don't you?
I’d like to trigger you further, but I’m not interested in looking in on forms every day. My time is too valuable. But I will not neglect to come back when it suits me to mortify you.
Like I said, you like getting a metaphorical theological trouncing, don't you?
shepherdsword
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I know many will disagree but I think the good ole USA is Babylon. I take a look at Isa 13, Jer 51 and Rev 18 and say...there's that harlot!
Rockerduck
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I've studied Revelation extensively and I can't find the USA anywhere in Revelation. All of John's prophesies are in Jerusalem and the Roman Empire, in John's Day, in Israels, past, present and future. Revelations 18:24 gives you the best clue. Rev. 18:24 - And in her was found the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who were slain on the earth.” what city killed the prophets and the saints. Rome is the answer.
amigo de christo
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stand firm in the trenches , many are big time twisting things . Reading into the scrips what is not even there .
Its a madhouse in these latter hours my friend .
amigo de christo
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When we read the prophets and the days shortly before Jerusalem was trod down
Its so odd that we can see a certain city on a hill has done the same thing . THE HARLOT rests not my friend .
She has always been a prophet and saint killer .
Its like the RCC became the old Harlot that ruled jerusalem . They seem identical .
The leaders went bad and taught deceptoins and look at christendom today .
I see an identical pattern . The WHORE , THE HARLOT influencing the nations , politicians , both great and small
The city that killed the prophets was Jerusalem . But its so odd , its like ROME has taken that place .
She has raged war against the true saints and used govts to do her work for centuries .
THE HARLOT rests not .
amigo de christo
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Its like the same entity doing the same work .
Both used the NAME of GOD but have decieved this people and let them into great rebellion against GOD .
What became of JERUSALEM has become of CHRISTENDOME .
one killed the true prophets and eventually even Christ with help of the gentiles
NOW look at what has been going on within the RCC throughout the centuries .
Killing saints that resisted her , using govts to turn their enemies over to authories .
Its like the same entity .
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