Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so a 1000 yr reign on this earth is false

[WPM]

I disagree.

Please compare the following two passages.

Revelation 12:6-8 Then the woman fled into the wilderness where she has a place prepared by God, so that there she would be nourished for one thousand two hundred and sixty days. And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon. The dragon and his angels waged war, and they were not strong enough, and there was no longer a place found for them in heaven.​

Heaven is a realm where everything is timeless and eternal, a sanctuary for divine beings and everlasting truths. In this vivid portrayal, John illustrates the moment when Michael triumphs over the Dragon, a fearsome embodiment of chaos and evil. Following this epic confrontation, a significant shift occurs: the Dragon is no longer granted existence within the celestial kingdom. Essentially, its essence is stripped of eternity, effectively banishing it from the sacred space of heaven.

Now Satan is temporal and not eternal, which is why he has a short time left.

Revelation 12:12 For this reason, rejoice, O heavens and you who dwell in them. Woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, knowing that he has only a short time.”​

The woman who fled into the wilderness was Israel, who went into exile after the Jewish/Roman wars of 70 AD. According to John, at that time, Michael defeated the dragon and removed it from the heavenly realms. So he is now roaming the Earth today, knowing that he has only a short time.

Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

I see your carefully left out this first. If it gets the time that it happened.

Who then is the “man child” who “was to rule all nations with a rod of iron,” and “was caught up unto God, and to his throne”?

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

He came the first time into this corrupt world, and came back here when he resurrected even. Surely he comes back to this same world at the second coming, literally contained within the very wording.

Amill thinks Jesus rules over this corrupt world right now but clearly the world is ruled by satan which is why the world is so corrupt.




Yes, but not until the Millennium, the little season rebellion, the casting of satan into the LOF and the GWTJ of the unsaved takes place. Only then will the NHNE come. Neither satan nor his angels nor the unsaved will exist within or upon the new Earth.

Jesus said that this world is full of deceptions and delusions ! in that he is pointing out the reality of what we are up against regarding Sin !

When Christ Jesus comes back ? so when Our Lord and Saviour comes back ? what does that mean ? well He is Emmanuel ? God with us !
So the God who is with us is the one who we know is our Lord and Saviour !
That means only the truly Born again Saved are His People in fact ! and that were it's all at in fact !
But at the Second coming all who survive the Hellfire that comes before hand will be Saved !

Why are they Saved ? well the Deceptions and delusions will be burnt up in fact ! their is nothing left to Tempt anyone, all who are alive will have to work together in fact !

Anyone who was Saved going right back to the first Jews 2000 years ago to befor the Hellfire or even during the Hellfire that die or live will be Saved rergardless ! because they are Saved in fact ! It's ones Soul that is Saved in fact !

If one is Saved it's because one knows and abides in Christ Jesus in fact ! and no one can snatch such a one out of his hand in fact !

Some people will survive the Hellfire ! the Saved who live are just as they were in fact ! and the living who were not Saved have nothing but to be Saved ! for their is only one way up ! because eveyone will be at rock bottom.

Jesus does not come as a person ! he come as the Holy Spirit in fact ! why is that ? well Jesus when he came as a man was not knowen ? he was only knew when he went to Heaven in fact ! It was only then that the scales from their eyes came off ! then with eyes they could see ! the Holy Spirit gave that to them in fact !

So how does anyone come to see Christ Jesus ? It's only through the Holy Spirit in fact !

Jesus deciples had only a % of faith in Jesus the man ! They only knew after for a fact that he was the Christ Jesus ! but the Jews etc who did not get it, was because they had not faith at all, for they were only Religious Carnal dupes ! but in the second coming all will burnt up ! so everyone will be on flat on their arse. The ego trips etc will not work !

If one is Saved one would not wish for the Hellfire on anyone !
I know religious who want the Helfire ! because they believe that They will be Taken up ? So they will not go through the Hellfire, well they will go through the Hellfire regardless in fact ! They will not be raptured up for they are not with Christ Jesus because they do not do his will in fact !

Saved Christians do not want people to be going through the Hellfire in fact ! nor does Christ Jesus !
It's the Satanist who want Hellfire in fact ! They are set to go to Hell anyway !
Most people are only Lost, they are not Satanist but are traped by the workings of the Satanist because they have not been found !

Who wants people to suffer under deamonic Satanic game plays ? were people are offered up to their gods like Moloch how many Children are offered up each day and who cares ? only the Saved do or people who feel it's wrong to do ? then about Wars that are created who is clearly offering them people up ? for what ! Nonsense ! the peoples lives are clearly being sold out for nonsense lies and deceptions, for they creat delusions in fact ! even lives of Baby's are offered up to Moloch and if one is to call such out, you are seen as the criminal nowadays !
If we let Evil flourish, then one is of Satan in fact ! And we have Goverments who are clearly letting people get out of hand running loose like a fool ! They are aiding it all !

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Who told you that insults are helpful?

I have insulted you many times and you still are desperate to talk to me. So, you must be fine with them or else I'd be on your ignore list. Why is asking a question about why you are dishonest not helpful? I really would like to know. It might explain some things.

I said "To assume that what is described in Revelation 20 has to chronologically follow what is described in Revelation 19 is not exegesis. It's eisegesis. Clearly, the book is not all chronological". You replied "Maybe". Really? Only maybe? What I said is undeniably true. In Revelation 19 and 20, there is nothing in and of themselves to clearly indicate one way or another whether what is written in them should be understood chronologically or not. Also, it's undeniable that the book is not all chronological or else you would have to conclude the that seventh trumpet sounded before the birth and ascension of Christ (see Revelation 11 and 12). So, why would you just say "maybe" to that?

You don't seem to understand exegetical principles.

Yes, I do. You clearly don't and prove it over and over and over again. I'm not going to waste time arguing with you about something like this when all you do is talk a bunch of unintelligible gibberish to try to support your view. You never just speak plainly.

We are examining a passage of scripture, attempting to derive the intended meaning from the immediate context. Revelation 19 should be considered when looking at Revelation 20 because the topic has not changed from one chapter to the other.

You can consider it, but you should also consider at the same time that the book is not all chronological.

The process you suggest is vulnerable to errors because of confirmation bias.

Total nonsense. I am not wasting any more time reading this gibberish. You're very robotic in your long winded, unintelligible explanations of things.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

I see your carefully left out this first. If it gets the time that it happened.

Who then is the “man child” who “was to rule all nations with a rod of iron,” and “was caught up unto God, and to his throne”?

Let's not confuse topics. We were talking about Satan's role and disposition at the end. Here we saw that Satan is not bound, but he can attack and accuse the saints.

Not only this, we saw that Satan had been removed from heaven, signifying that he was no longer eternal.

The verse you quoted depicts the man-child Jesus being caught up to God and to his God's throne.

Since Jesus is not currently ruling over the nations today, we understand this reference as a future event.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The verse you quoted depicts the man-child Jesus being caught up to God and to his God's throne.

Since Jesus is not currently ruling over the nations today, we understand this reference as a future event.

Is the following passage in your Bible?

Ephesians 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, 20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, 23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

 

[CadyandZoe]

I have insulted you many times and you still are desperate to talk to me. So, you must be fine with them or else I'd be on your ignore list.

Are you sure you want to explain it that way to Jesus?

Why is asking a question about why you are dishonest not helpful?

If I was being dishonest, which I wasn't, then I would admit my sin and humbly ask you and God for forgiveness. In other words, those who love the truth welcome the truth, even when it is negative. I would welcome it and it would be helpful to me.

A mere accusation is not helpful to me, but it hurts you. I don't want anything to hurt you.

I said "To assume that what is described in Revelation 20 has to chronologically follow what is described in Revelation 19 is not exegesis.

I disagree. Proper exegetical technique always considers the flow of thought in a text.

In Revelation 19 and 20, there is nothing in and of themselves to clearly indicate one way or another whether what is written in them should be understood chronologically or not.

Proper exegetical technique always assumes that a narrative account is chronological unless otherwise specified.

Also, it's undeniable that the book is not all chronological or else you would have to conclude the that seventh trumpet sounded before the birth and ascension of Christ (see Revelation 11 and 12). So, why would you just say "maybe" to that?

The inquiry about the chronological nature of the entire book of Revelation presents a distinct consideration from the question of whether two specific chapters within it follow a chronological order.

Yes, I do. You clearly don't and prove it over and over and over again. I'm not going to waste time arguing with you about something like this when all you do is talk a bunch of unintelligible gibberish to try to support your view. You never just speak plainly.

When addressing the topic at hand, it is important to maintain a focus on the subject matter and avoid becoming overly emotional. This approach fosters more effective communication and helps facilitate a constructive discussion.

You can consider it, but you should also consider at the same time that the book is not all chronological.

Proper exegetical technique will look for language in the passage that suggests a change of chronology. If you see it, point it out.

Total nonsense. I am not wasting any more time reading this gibberish. You're very robotic in your long winded, unintelligible explanations of things.

Try to avoid emotional breakdowns. Effective exegetical technique involves an awareness of confirmation bias and strives to minimize its influence. To achieve this, a sound exegetical approach first evaluates the passage in question on its own, without immediately drawing connections to other parts of the Bible. This independent analysis helps ensure a more objective interpretation of the text.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Is the following passage in your Bible?

What about it? Why question me on a fact we both share in agreement?

Ephesians 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, 20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, 23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

What about it? Why question me on a fact we both share in agreement?

It contradicts you saying "Since Jesus is not currently ruling over the nations today, we understand this reference as a future event." and you said that in relation to the man child being caught up to God and God's throne. Do you see Ephesians 1:19-23 as a future event?

 

[Scott Downey]

Ephesians 1
22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, 23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
Yes, true all things are under His feet now, today.

But we do not yet SEE it on this earth.
This is hidden from the world of men for now, but will be revealed when Christ returns and sits on His glorious throne at the judgment.

Which is "the world to come of which we speak, the world will be changed"
Yes, there is a new world coming at the return of Christ, in other words the New Earth is coming.

Matthew 25

The Son of Man Will Judge the Nations​

31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the [c]holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.
32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.

Hebrews 2

The Son Made Lower than Angels​

5 For He has not put the world to come, of which we speak, in subjection to angels. 6 But one testified in a certain place, saying:

“What is man that You are mindful of him,
Or the son of man that You take care of him?
7 You have made him [d]a little lower than the angels;
You have crowned him with glory and honor,
[e]And set him over the works of Your hands.
8 You have put all things in subjection under his feet.”
For in that He put all in subjection under him, He left nothing that is not put under him. But now we do not yet see all things put under him. 9 But we see Jesus, who was made [f]a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.

Bringing Many Sons to Glory​

10 For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. 11 For both He who [g]sanctifies and those who are being sanctified are all of one, for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren, 12 saying:

“I will declare Your name to My brethren;
In the midst of the assembly I will sing praise to You.”
13 And again:

“I will put My trust in Him.”
And again:

“Here am I and the children whom God has given Me.”
14 Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, 15 and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16 For indeed He does not [h]give aid to angels, but He does [i]give aid to the seed of Abraham. 17 Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that He Himself has suffered, being [j]tempted, He is able to aid those who are tempted.

Christ only aids to salvation those who are of the Israel of God, specifically those of God and not of the world.
That Includes gentiles and Jews.
We are not of the world, we have been taken out of the world.
Christ does not save those who are of the world, He saves those who are of God as only they can hear Him.

John 8

45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me.

46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me?

47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Ephesians 1
22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, 23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
Yes, true all things are under His feet now, today.

But we do not yet SEE it on this earth.
This is hidden from the world of men for now, but will be revealed when Christ returns and sits on His glorious throne at the judgment.

Right. That is what the following verse means as well.

Hebrews 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.

All things that exist today are under His feet and all future things that come into existence will immediately be put under His feet, but we do not yet see all things that will ever be under His feet and won't see it until the last enemy, death, is destroyed (1 Cor 15:25-26) which will occur when Jesus returns at the last trumpet and swallows up death in victory (1 Corinthians 15:50-54, Revelation 21:4, Isaiah 25:8).

 

[CadyandZoe]

It contradicts you saying "Since Jesus is not currently ruling over the nations today, we understand this reference as a future event." and you said that in relation to the man child being caught up to God and God's throne. Do you see Ephesians 1:19-23 as a future event?

No. Jesus already rose to be with the Father. He did not, however, begin to rule over the nations.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Right. That is what the following verse means as well.

Hebrews 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.

All things that exist today are under His feet and all future things that come into existence will immediately be put under His feet, but we do not yet see all things that will ever be under His feet and won't see it until the last enemy, death, is destroyed (1 Cor 15:25-26) which will occur when Jesus returns at the last trumpet and swallows up death in victory (1 Corinthians 15:50-54, Revelation 21:4, Isaiah 25:8).

All things are not yet under his feet. And it is amazing that we argue over a self-evident situation. Just as people go outside to see if it is raining, people can look around the world to see that Jesus is not ruling over the nations.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No. Jesus already rose to be with the Father. He did not, however, begin to rule over the nations.

Yes, He did. Just not in the way that people like you and the Pharisees expected the Messiah to rule.

Ephesians 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, 20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: 22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, 23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

All things are not yet under his feet.

All current things are under His feet, but not yet the things that don't yet exist.

Hebrews 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.

Is there something you don't understand about the first 2 sentences of this verse? Scripture says God the Father "put all things in subjection under his feet" and you say "No, He did not"?

And it is amazing that we argue over a self-evident situation. Just as people go outside to see if it is raining, people can look around the world to see that Jesus is not ruling over the nations.

It's amazing how carnal and lacking in spiritual discernment you are while not realizing that nothing can happen in the world without Jesus allowing it and not realizing that Jesus is active in the world when the gospel is preached by those who have Him dwelling in their hearts, setting people free from the fear of death and giving them the hope of eternal life.

 

[Scott Downey]

All things are not yet under his feet. And it is amazing that we argue over a self-evident situation. Just as people go outside to see if it is raining, people can look around the world to see that Jesus is not ruling over the nations.

All things are under His feet, it is just that men don't experience-perceive it yet on the earth.

We will only see it as in experience it at the second coming of Christ.
And it will be for our salvation that Christ returns.
We stand to benefit greatly in our experiences with God when Christ returns.
Christ has the keys of Hell and Death, and has been given all authority in Heaven and Earth.
He has it all right now.
But He is not yet exercising His full power in a visible way that we see, but Christ does this exercising of His great power without our observation, but not in the future, in the future all eyes will see Him. Some won't be around too long though, but the people of God will it says, admire Christ. You will see Him face to face when the perfect comes.

1 Corinthians 13:12
For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.

The perfect will come and it will be Christ and God dwelling on the new earth and His people reigning with Him
This world is not and never can be perfect

1 Cor 13
8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is [d]perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.

11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.

13 And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.



2 Thessalonians 1

Paul, Silvanus, and Timothy,

To the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:

2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

3 We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is fitting, because your faith grows exceedingly, and the love of every one of you all abounds toward each other, 4 so that we ourselves boast of you among the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and [a]tribulations that you endure, 5 which is manifest[b] evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you also suffer; 6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with [c]tribulation those who trouble you, 7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who [d]believe, because our testimony among you was believed.

11 Therefore we also pray always for you that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfill all the good pleasure of His goodness and the work of faith with power, 12 that the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and you in Him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Yes, He did. Just not in the way that people like you and the Pharisees expected the Messiah to rule.

It isn't a matter of what I like or prefer. It's a matter of fact. Just as anyone can go outside to see if it is raining, anyone can look around the world to see if Jesus is ruling over the nations. Since he is not, we must set aside our preconceived interpretation of Ephesians chapter one to understand what Paul meant to say.

A cursory review of the passage will reveal Paul's focus. Contrary to our initial interpretation that mistakenly concludes that Paul is declaring that Jesus is currently ruling over the nations, we discover that Paul is declaring Jesus' status instead. His name is currently above all other names. His authority is currently above all other authorities.

When the Bible speaks of Christ’s sovereignty over all creation, it doesn't always mean a visible, earthly reign—at least, not yet. His authority is spiritual and ultimate, meaning that He governs all things according to God’s plan, even if human rulers and systems don’t seem to reflect His rule directly.

Paul’s words in Ephesians emphasize that Christ has been exalted above all powers and authorities, meaning His rule is already established in heaven. However, we live in a time where His reign is not yet fully revealed on earth. This aligns with biblical teachings that Christ’s complete rule over the nations will be fully displayed when He returns (as described in passages like Revelation 19:11-16).

The term "firstfruits" in 1 Corinthians 15:20-28 is rich with meaning—it suggests a sequence in God's plan for resurrection. In biblical agriculture, the firstfruits were the first portion of the harvest, offered to God, and signified that more was to come. Paul uses this imagery to show that Christ's resurrection is the guarantee and beginning of the resurrection of all believers.

The sequence Paul outlines is:
1. Christ is the first to rise—His resurrection is the foundation.
2. Believers will be raised at His coming—those who belong to Him will follow.
3. The final phase—Christ will reign until all enemies, including death, are defeated. Then He will hand the kingdom to God the Father.

This order reflects God’s structured plan for restoring creation, emphasizing that resurrection isn’t random—it follows an intentional, divine process leading to the ultimate fulfillment of Christ’s reign.

We are here -->> Christ is the first to rise

 

[CadyandZoe]

All current things are under His feet, but not yet the things that don't yet exist.

I'll highlight the part that needs your attention. First, Paul quotes a Psalm of David, where he declares, "You have put all things under his feet." This was true during David's time, when he wrote a poem about his wonder that God would place everything under the direct authority of a human being.

Hebrews 2:8 For in subjecting all things to him, He left nothing that is not subject to him. But now we do not yet see all things subjected to him.

Paul clarifies that Psalm 8:6 has not yet been fully realized as of his time. Hebrews 2:8 states that God has placed all things under Christ's authority, but it acknowledges that we do not yet see everything fully subjected to Him. This verse highlights the tension between Christ’s already established sovereignty and the not-yet-fully-revealed nature of His rule on earth.

In the context of our discussion, this aligns with the idea that Christ’s ultimate reign is certain, but the full realization of His authority over all creation will be completed in the future—especially when He defeats all enemies, including death, as described in 1 Corinthians 15:20-28. Right now, His rule is spiritual and unfolding, but one day, it will be fully visible and undeniable.

It's amazing how carnal and lacking in spiritual discernment you are while not realizing that nothing can happen in the world without Jesus allowing it and not realizing that Jesus is active in the world when the gospel is preached by those who have Him dwelling in their hearts, setting people free from the fear of death and giving them the hope of eternal life.

Let's agree to avoid arguments based on emotion and set our sights on things above.

 

[Zao is life]

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Is the following passage in your Bible?

Ephesians 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, 20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, 23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

But now, of this present time, we see not yet all things put under him. But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. Hebrews 2:8b-9.

Ephesians 1:19 describes the glory and honor He has been crowned with: "..Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this AGE [aion], but also in that which is to come.."

Jesus: My kingdom is not of this world [kosmos]: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now, of this present time, is my kingdom not from hence.

You have an unbalanced view of these things brother. Your ship is listing.

 

[ewq1938]

Jesus is NOT reigning over His enemies now - according to Scripture

To reign means to rule over people and have complete control. Look around at the world. ISIS is murdering Christians and harming the growth of the gospel. The world is full is false gods and religions and evil practices.

It is clear someone else reigns this wicked, morally corrupt world currently:

Joh 14:29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.
Joh 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

Prince here doesn't mean second in command or something like we think in modern English, it means the ruler, the first in rank or power:

G758
a?´????
archo¯n
ar'-khone
Present participle of G757; a first (in rank or power): - chief (ruler), magistrate, prince, ruler.


G758
a?´????
archo¯n
Thayer Definition:
1) a ruler, commander, chief, leader
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: present participle of G757
Citing in TDNT: 1:488, 81

According to Christ, the ruler of this world was to come after Christ left. We know from Rev 12 that after He ascended there was a war in heaven and satan was cast to the Earth just as Christ said would happen. According to Jesus Christ himself, the one reigning/ruling the world after His ascension would be satan!

Psa_110:2 The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.

When would Christ reign over his enemies on the Earth?

Mat 22:44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

Mar 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Luk 20:42 And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Luk 20:43 Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Act 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Act 2:35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.

Psa 110:1 A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Psa 110:2 The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.
Psa 110:3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.
Psa 110:4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.
Psa 110:5 The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.
Psa 110:6 He shall judge among the heathen, he shall fill the places with the dead bodies; he shall wound the heads over many countries.
Psa 110:7 He shall drink of the brook in the way: therefore shall he lift up the head.

So when does Christ leave the right hand of God in heaven and come to the Earth to defeat his enemies and rule in the midst of those enemies? The second coming of course. We also see this depicted in Revelation 19-20.


Amill asks, "Isn't Christ's kingdom reigning on the Earth now?"

No.


His reign here begins when the 7th trump sounds.


Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

This is the first time when Christ reigns literally over all kings and their kingdoms.

1Ti 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

His times would be specifically "the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ" at the 7th trump! That is when he is actively and defacto King of Kings reigning over all Earthly kingdoms and reigning over his enemies with a rod of iron.

Here is what we know:

1. Christ said satan is the ruler of the world.
2. Christ's reign will begin when he leaves the right hand of God in heaven and comes to the Earth.
2a. That is the second coming at the 7th trump.


John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Amill claims the opposite, that the Kingdom is of this world. Christ disagrees.


Christ knew his kingdom and reign here starts when he returned at the 7th trump.

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.


1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.


Clearly there is this business of putting down "all rule and all authority and power" before he delivers up the kingdom to his Father. This would be the post-Coming Millennial reign.


1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.


So, there is a reign after the second coming wherein he puts "down all rule and all authority and power", which is part of putting "all enemies under his feet" and only after that is done is the kingdom delivered up to the Father.


Is there another passage talking about a reign that happens after the second coming? Yes.


Rev 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

That is the second coming. Everything we read of next comes after the second coming:

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

After "the end" comes, there is given power over the nations to those that are overcomers. They will be given power over the mortal unsaved nations after Christ has returned not before it.

These two passages are also in harmony with Rev 19-20 where, again, there is a rule over people after the second coming.






Joh_10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Does this mean Christ died and resurrected himself right at this moment or was that a future thing he had authority to do?

It is the same with ruling. He has the authority now but is not yet excercising that authority because he is waiting for the right time.


Rev_2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

So in comparison he received the knowledge that in the future he and his saints would rule over the nations with a rod of iron.
That particular reign did not start when John had this vision, which was somewhere around Ad 93 or so. Even AD 70, which I disagree with, is still many decades after the cross. If Christ is reigning now with a rod of iron why the decades of delay after the cross? That makes no logical sense.

But understand both of the things he said he received from the Father were related to the future, everything makes logical and scriptural sense and matches perfectly with each other.


Heb_2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.


This was written long after the cross and even at that time not all things were put under Him. That doesn't happen until the second coming.

 

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Personally, I believe Adam and Eve at their deaths, God admitted back into Eden, which afterwards is known as Paradise.
It was the place where all those God would save before Christ went at death, (their spirits) There is a spiritual body of some kind.

... But before His ascension into heaven there must have been a third place for the righteous dead to have gone, otherwise known as Abraham's Bosom or Paradise.

Since Christ tells the thief that very day they would be in Paradise, it must be Abaham's bosom cause Christ is not going to ascend till after the resurrection, 3 more days left to go. On the THIRD DAY Christ was resurrected. This is my thoughts on the matter.

This is all private interpretation.

The dead body of Christ was in the grave for three days. But His spirit went immediately back to God in heaven. You therefore build your premise on a false assumption. Nowhere does it say His spirit was in Hades for 3 day, nor does it teach that Abrahams bosom is paradise.

Whether His spirit descended to Hades before or after His ascent to His Father is not clear. Scripture does not really give a detailed outline of this, thus so much speculation.

Where in Scripture teaches that Abrahams bosom is paradise? Give us heart Scripture! You know it is not there.