Why didn't you make that clear then, buddy? You only asked about my understanding of WHEN these things would take place.
Liar. Obvoiusly you did not read carefully what I asked:
"Really? Let's test your claim:
1.) What do the war and rumors of war, famine, pestilences, and earthquake in divers places, Matthew 24:7, refers to?"
Where did I ask "when" like you falsely accused? Shame on you.
You need to take a class on how to communicate.
No thanks. It's on you. Read better next time.
They are literal, physical events.
Nope!
Jesus was making the point that it would not be literal, physical events that would show that His coming is near, but rather spiritual things like persecution and increased deception, apostasy and wickedness that would indicate that His coming at the end of the age is near.
You are not really answer my question. Let try again. God is "
specific" in these things for a reason. Let try again if you understand what God's definition of:
War and rumors of war?
Famine?
Pestilences?
Earthquakes?
And why are these considered the beginning of sorrow? What sorrow is it?
I sure do, buddy. You saw that I said it relates to Satan's little season, right? So, it's because of Satan being loosed. What Jesus said in Matthew 24:9-13 is all related. It results from being deceived by false prophets and such.
Good job, student. However, I noticed that you insist verse 15-20, in the middle of the chapter's context, refers to the physical destruction of the Jewish temple and instructs Jews to flee when the Romans attacked. Then, you went on to discuss the "little season" for the rest of the chapter. This seems inconsistent. It appears you're selecting specific verses to support your doctrines. That is the inconsistency I warned you about. Therefore, your interpretation of the Olivet Discourse can't be correct!
Too bad. You allowed yourself to be deluded into thinking that Jesus had nothing to say about the temple buildings being destroyed despite being asked about it.
The Lord corrected my understanding according to context. He was applying to
the New Testament congregation. There was never an abomination of desolation in 70AD. And you don't even know exactly what it is anyway!
Tell me, why did Jesus say it would be more difficult for pregnant women and nursing mothers to flee? Tell me, why did Jesus say that they should pray that they wouldn't have to flee in the winter or on the Sabbath? I can't wait to see how you spiritualize all that.
Do you have short memory or something? I have explained this many times in the past with you. I will repeat, for the sake of readers, who are curious to know, too.
Christ did not talk about "pregnant women and babies" in Jersualem! God is talking about the
unsaved in the congregation! It was woe to the unsaved, not to those God is warning to flee "BECAUSE" of the abominations in their midst. Here is an important spiritual lesson for you to learn, which requires understanding sound hermeneutics! When we compare Scirpture with Scirpture, the phrase the woman who gives suck is an illustration of the Holy City Jersualem, which is allegorically the congregation/church!
Selah! The congregation is the woman who gives suck! The Elect were part of the children who fed with the milk of THIS WOMAN, but now they are told to flee out of the midst of Judaea (type of Church). Flee this very same congregation, the representation of theHoly Temple of God in the New Testmaent, and go to the mountains.
Isaiah 66:10-13
- "Rejoice ye with JERUSALEM, and be glad with her, all ye that Love her: Rejoice for joy with her, all ye that mourn for her:
- That YE may Suck, and be satisfied with the breasts of her consolations; and ye may milk out, and be delighted with the abundance of her glory.
- For thus saith the Lord, behold, I will extend PEACE to her like a River, and the Glory of the gentiles like a flowing stream: then shall Ye Suck, ye shall be borne upon her sides, and be dangled upon her knees.
- As one whom His mother comforteth, so will I comfort you; and ye shall be comforted in Jerusalem."
Hello?!?! The children of God are the, "
Ye that suck," and the woman is "
her that gives suck!" Two clearly distinct entities. One, the Holy city, the representation of Christ, and the other her children (
including the election)
within her. Plainly, and without ambiguity, this is that great city Jerusalem, and the elect are within her, satisfied with her milk. The very same Great City Jerusalem that the two witnesses (
elect) are within and are killed in her streets. Think about that!
Ask yourself honestly and without prejudice, is this speaking of a literal Woman nursing a literal child? Is this literal (
the physical city) Jerusalem in 70AD? Is this the elect? Who are those she nurses
if not the elect that milk out? Is this literal milk a baby gets nourishment from? Duh! NO! Obviously it is not! Listen, the Lord uses
spiritual language to portray the church as 'The Woman,' Jerusalem, and the elect in the church as nursing or suckling children! This cannot be rightly gainsaid or denied. They can't be both! So we have our answer just who this woman is that gives suck, and when we do we find it is that great city Jerusalem.
Now it is
woe to her; of course her children go without milk of Gospel! That is apostasy and famine the Lord talked about earlier in Matthew 24. Do you have spiritual ears to hear that?? Will the Elect have their children go without milk? No. You can't just throw scriptures out inconsistently and think it proves something. The children go without milk
because (pay attention to this) THIS WOMAN is no longer feeding the children
because of her abominations! See? There is
spiritual famine! She is appearing royally and righteous as she is clothed in scarlet on the outside, but abominable on the
inside. This is the picture that "God" is painting of a harlot woman that is
a spiritual city, not me:
Lamentations 4:4
- "The tongue of the sucking child cleveth to the roof of his mouth for thirst: the young children ask Bread, and no man breaketh it unto them. They that did FEED delicately are desolate in the streets: They that were brought up in scarlet embrace dunghills."
This is the woman who gives suck. And the children of the congregation seek bread, but there is a famine of hearing the word of God. Those are the key phrases in comparing scripture with scripture. Those who give suck
absolutely without question refers to Jerusalem, the representation of the Lord's congregation. So how could this be the elect? The elect don't let their children go hungry, and God doesn't let the Elect go hungry, but the abominable woman Jerusalem does. The New Testament church in apostasy does. And just who is this that God says is "desolate" within her streets? Can the elect have streets wherein some are Desolate in it? You have to be more mindful in interpreting scripture. Things that "sound good" on first blush aren't necessarily the truth. Scripture has to be studied to be "rightly" divided.
Whatever. I am not convinced by your argument even a tiny bit.
Not my problem. It's up to the Holy Spirit.
Yes, it does because it relates to the times after armies surrounded Jerusalem before making it desolate, as the Roman armies did in 70 AD. What is your problem with believing that event was prophesied, anyway? You don't have to be a preterist to believe that, as I'm proving to you, so what is your deal with that?
No, you got the wrong armies. You were thinking about physical soldiers gathering around a physical city. This is NOT what God talked about! Again, the New Testament congregation is the Holy City.
Rev 11:1-2
(1) And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying,
Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
(2) But
the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the
holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
The Gentiles are the armies that surround the Holy City. Spiritual Gentiles! They are the false prophets and christs who come into the "court without the temple" (after Satan is loosed), the corporate part of the congregation, to deceive them as a judgment of God, so they will believe a lie. This is what the time of the Gentiles is all about! This is where the war and rumors or war, famines, pestilences takes place where the kingdom of God is shaken (earthquakes) all over the world.
Nothing to do with your fantasy of 70AD and physical temple surrounded by Roman armies because you think God was talking about Judea in the Middle East. Sounds like you lack spiritual discernment. Like.. you believe there were women with babies running around in the city hoping to flee before winter or on the Sabbath. (chuckle).
