Surely Premils must invent 2 future glorifications days and 2 future raptures separated by 1000 years+?

[talons]

The ruling with a rod of iron is described alongside descriptions of Christ smiting the people you think He will rule over and treading them in the winepress of God's wrath (Rev 19:15).

The armies will be the ones eliminated because they are there at the battle and they will be the feast for all the fowl of the air that have been called to gather together , yes the armies are in the winepress of God's wrath .
The people of the nations that are not at the battle are the ones who will be ruled with a rod of iron .
That is what the scriptures indicate to me at least . I will let you have the last word , we are divided on the meanings of the scripture .

 

[WPM]

The armies will be the ones eliminated because they are there at the battle and they will be the feast for all the fowl of the air that have been called to gather together , yes the armies are in the winepress of God's wrath .
The people of the nations that are not at the battle are the ones who will be ruled with a rod of iron .
That is what the scriptures indicate to me at least . I will let you have the last word , we are divided on the meanings of the scripture .

It says all flesh are destroyed. Hello!

Premils prove time after time that they do not take Scripture literal. They literalize the spiritual language and spiritualize the literal language.

There are 2 camps in Revelation (as elsewhere in Scripture) - 2 armies, saved and lost.

 

[WPM]

I'm not denying that he said that all humanity does in Adam. Your reading comprehension skills are non-existent. What did he say right after that? He said "so in Christ all will be made alive. But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.". Are you claiming that even unbelievers will be made alive in Christ? If so, where does Paul include them in the order He gave of those who are made alive in Christ?


In verse 22 Paul said "so in Christ all will be made alive". You are trying to claim that unbelievers will be resurrected in Christ?


You continually make a fool of yourself as if that is your hobby. If that's what you enjoy doing, then so be it.

Premils do not seem to know what it means to be "in Christ." They do not know who that applies to. No wonder their theology is messed up.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The armies will be the ones eliminated because they are there at the battle and they will be the feast for all the fowl of the air that have been called to gather together , yes the armies are in the winepress of God's wrath .
The people of the nations that are not at the battle are the ones who will be ruled with a rod of iron .
That is what the scriptures indicate to me at least . I will let you have the last word , we are divided on the meanings of the scripture .

The text is figurative. It's not talking about literal armies gathering in a literal place. It's figuratively referring to all who are against Christ, which is all who are not with Him (Matt 12:30) being destroyed when He comes.

Revelation 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.”

All unbelievers in the world will be killed when Jesus comes.

2 Thessalonians 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Premils do not seem to know what it means to be "in Christ." They do not know who that applies to. No wonder their theology is messed up.

He's trying to mock me for my interpretation of the passage while he is including unbelievers as being made alive in Christ. Unbelievable.

 

[WPM]

He's trying to mock me for my interpretation of the passage while he is including unbelievers as being made alive in Christ. Unbelievable.

It seems like they want to assume the opposite position to everything Scripture is teaching. I mean it! I have never seem so many of them exposing themselves at the one time.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It says all flesh are destroyed. Hello!

Premils prove time after time that they do not take Scripture literal. They literalize the spiritual language and spiritualize the literal language.

There are 2 camps in Revelation (as elsewhere in Scripture) - 2 armies, saved and lost.

Absolutely true. And some of them have the gall to say that we don't take scripture literally?! No, we take it literally when it's literal and spiritually when it's spiritual. As you indicated, they instead often take the spiritual text literally and the literal text spiritually.

 

[WPM]

Absolutely true. And some of them have the gall to say that we don't take scripture literally?! No, we take it literally when it's literal and spiritually when it's spiritual. As you indicated, they instead often take the spiritual text literally and the literal text spiritually.

The silence is deafening from Premils on these threads. They absolutely expose the error of that belief.

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings again WPM,

The silence is deafening from Premils on these threads. They absolutely expose the error of that belief.

Rather, we get tired of these long running threads where nothing is properly discussed or resolved.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[WPM]

Greetings again WPM,

Rather, we get tired of these long running threads where nothing is properly discussed or resolved.

Kind regards
Trevor

The Op is pretty simple. As a former Premil i do not see any way to resolve it from a Premil perspective.

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings again WPM,

The Op is pretty simple. As a former Premil i do not see any way to resolve it from a Premil perspective.

I find the OP very shallow and then the first 8 posts with @Spiritual Israelite you congratulate yourselves. I answered in post #9.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[WPM]

Greetings again WPM,

I find the OP very shallow and then the first 8 posts with @Spiritual Israelite you congratulate yourselves. I answered in post #9.

Kind regards
Trevor

You never even addressed the Op. You sidetracking off the issue. I highlighted your avoidance:

"you did not even address any of my points. Welcome to Premil!"

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Greetings again WPM,

Rather, we get tired of these long running threads where nothing is properly discussed or resolved.

Kind regards
Trevor

You are the one who is not willing to address our points in these threads. For example, in the thread I created relating to Luke 17:26-37, you seem to want to discuss anything but Luke 17:26-37.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Greetings again WPM,

I find the OP very shallow and then the first 8 posts with @Spiritual Israelite you congratulate yourselves. I answered in post #9.

Kind regards
Trevor

If it's so shallow, then surely you would have no trouble refuting it. But, instead, you don't even address it at all. You debate like a child.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The Op is pretty simple. As a former Premil i do not see any way to resolve it from a Premil perspective.

Same here. If he thinks it's such a weak argument then whey can't he even address it? Is there even one single Premil on this entire forum that we can take seriously who is actually willing to address our points instead of just making personal insults while avoiding our arguments?

 

[WPM]

Same here. If he thinks it's such a weak argument then whey can't he even address it? Is there even one single Premil on this entire forum that we can take seriously who is actually willing to address our points instead of just making personal insults while avoiding our arguments?

After seeing the miserable failure of their previous tactics of name-calling, and blatant avoidance, their new tactic seems to be stating an opinion as a fact, even though it is the opposite to the truth, and then doubling down on it as if they had initially proved something.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

After seeing the miserable failure of their previous tactics of name-calling, and blatant avoidance, their new tactic seems to be stating an opinion as a fact, even though it is the opposite to the truth, and then doubling down on it as if they had initially proved something.

Haha. Very true. I have noticed that most Premills here need to take an English course to learn the meanings of English words. They think the words "fact" and "opinion" are synonyms. They are completely confused.