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I’ve read English translations of the Koran. (One of my Muslim friends told me that it is important never to say that the Koran has been read unless it has been read in Arabic. I don’t read or speak Arabic.)



If Jewish monotheism isn’t true, would Jesus be a Jewish monotheist?
Jewish monotheism is true in the Koran, and Christian is true in the Koran too.
The only contradiction is Jesus Christ who is son of man and son of God.
 

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Jewish monotheism is true in the Koran, and Christian is true in the Koran too.

Trinitarianism isn’t true in the Koran.

The only contradiction is Jesus Christ who is son of man and son of God.

Keeping in mind that Jesus himself is a Jewish monotheist, that Jesus Messiah is both Son of Man and Son of God - what precisely is the contraction?
 

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Trinitarianism isn’t true in the Koran.



Keeping in mind that Jesus himself is a Jewish monotheist, that Jesus Messiah is both Son of Man and Son of God - what precisely is the contraction?
Jews do not recognize Christianity, Christianity does not recognize Jewish monotheism, Jewish monotheism and Christianity do not recognize the Koran, this is an inextricable triangle of the devil.

These three contradictory problems are reflected in Jesus Christ.

So the question is this,
Does Jewish monotheism recognize the Christian Bible, does Jewish monotheism recognize the Koran,
If Jewish monotheism cannot recognize both, then Jewish monotheism cannot stand,

The same question for Christianity and the Koran.

It's some kind of three books of Trinitarianism.

The Terrible Infinite Loop
 

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Jews do not recognize Christianity, …

You’re speaking about unbelieving Jews. Some Jews do, and some Jews always have, recognized Christianity. Christianity began as a sect of Judaism. The earliest followers of Jesus, members of the church which he founded, are Jewish monotheists.

… Christianity does not recognize Jewish monotheism, Jewish monotheism and Christianity do not recognize the Koran, this is an inextricable triangle of the devil.

These three contradictory problems are reflected in Jesus Christ.

So the question is this,
Does Jewish monotheism recognize the Christian Bible, …

Yes. Both the Hebrew Bible (aka the Old Testament) and the New Testament.

, does Jewish monotheism recognize the Koran,

No.

If Jewish monotheism cannot recognize both, then Jewish monotheism cannot stand,

Why?

The same question for Christianity and the Koran.

It's some kind of three books of Trinitarianism.

The Terrible Infinite Loop

The loop, as you call it, is broken by Jewish Christianity.
 

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You’re speaking about unbelieving Jews. Some Jews do, and some Jews always have, recognized Christianity. Christianity began as a sect of Judaism. The earliest followers of Jesus, members of the church which he founded, are Jewish monotheists.



Yes. Both the Hebrew Bible (aka the Old Testament) and the New Testament.



No.



Why?



The loop, as you call it, is broken by Jewish Christianity.
Why? One cannot simultaneously acknowledge the Jehovah and oppose what he has done such as Koran.

I hope someone could broken the loop,and more and more floks broken the loop.
 

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The Koran opposes what the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament asserts Jehovah has done. Jewish monotheism doesn’t.
But my reading found that the Koran was not against these things. I didn't know what went wrong.

If I told you I saw an angel on a horse with a sword in his hand As Ezekiel saw the sword of God,What do you think I should do to protect Israel like Ezekiel. Honest, no kidding.
 
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But my reading found that the Koran was not against these things. I don't know what went wrong.

The Koran absolutely is “against these things”. Ask any Muslim and they will tell you that the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament are corrupted.

If I told you I saw an angel on a horse with a sword in his hand As Ezekiel saw the sword of God,What do you think I should do to protect Israel like Ezekiel. Honest, no kidding.

You can’t protect Israel. The time of Jacob’s trouble is inevitable.
 

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The Koran absolutely is “against these things”. Ask any Muslim and they will tell you that the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament are corrupted.



You can’t protect Israel.
Muslims are taught the wrong doctrine, just like the wrong doctrine in Christianity, which I have been emphasizing Only is the Koran. But the Jehovah commanded me, just as Ezekiel saw the sword of God, and he was responsible for Israel, so do I..........

I don't know why he didn't get a Jew to do it.
Of course I can't protect Israel, but God's word can. All I have to do is be responsible to the Israelites and make them understand God's word.

That's why I asked you what forums Israeli Jews use
 

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Muslims are taught the wrong doctrine, just like the wrong doctrine in Christianity, which I have been emphasizing

We’re talking about God. Any member who is registered “Christian” and saying the wrong doctrine about God is taught in Christianity is just begging to be banned here.

Only is the Koran. But the Jehovah commanded me, just as Ezekiel saw the sword of God, and he was responsible for Israel, so do I..........

It’s been done by others for 20 centuries.

I don't know why he didn't get a Jew to do it.
Of course I can't protect Israel, but God's word can.

Their eyes and ears are closed.

All I have to do is be responsible to the Israelites and make them understand God's word.

The Messiah himself didn’t do that.

That's why I asked you what forums Israeli Jews use

I see. You will find very few Israeli Jews on Christian forums.
 

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We’re talking about God. Any member who is registered “Christian” and saying the wrong doctrine about God is taught in Christianity is just begging to be banned here.



It’s been done by others for 20 centuries.



Their eyes and ears are closed.



The Messiah himself didn’t do that.



I see. You will find very few Israeli Jews on Christian forums.
We all know about the wars between Israel and the Arab World, and I think history is history, But it seems to me that there has always been a different path.

If Israel can recognize Jesus Christ as their Messiah and Savior,They can take a different path and enjoy a peaceful life, of course, this is not without cost, because history can not be changed.

The Messiah and the Jehovah have not forgotten the promise to Israel, If they forget, they won't find me. And I can feel God's special love for Israel.

Israel now faces three serious problems.
1.Problems with promised land.
2.Religious issues.
3.Recognize Jesus Christ as the Messiah.

These three questions come first in no particular order.

Let's start with the three serious problems.
The Bible teaches that we need to learn patience,

Ephesians 4:2
With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;

Matthew
5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
5:40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
5:41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
5:42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
5:44
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Now we know that the war between Israel and Palestine in Gaza came from the promised land.But the truth is that Israel and the Palestinians have become de facto neighbors.

And I know that modern Israel still follows the rules of the Old Testament.
Exodus 21:24
Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
Leviticus 24:20
Breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth: as he hath caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him again.
Deuteronomy 19:21
And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.

The Palestinians and the Israelis are in fact an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. Even if Israel ends this with an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, But for the Arab World, the matter is still unknown, and it becomes a religious issue, and a geopolitical issue.

I mean whether Israel is a strong or weak side of military, learn to be patient, learn the teachings of Jesus Christ NOW. Peace with Palestine and the surrounding Arab States.
Whether Israel can achieve emigration, emigration and settlement in these Arab countries does not have to kill them all according to tradition, Drive them away,then live in the promised land.

I know Israel is worried about Arab World coming together and going to war to drive Israel away. But that's history and past, and now Israel is facing a slightly different situation.

What I'm trying to say is that only by obeying God's word and accepting Jesus Christ's teachings can truly protect Israel.
And according to the statutes of the Old Testament, an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, there is no end to this. War will be no ending.I don't think Israelis enjoy war.

If you don't understand anything, I'll answer.
 

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We all know about the wars between Israel and the Arab World, and I think history is history, But it seems to me that there has always been a different path.

If Israel can recognize Jesus Christ as their Messiah and Savior,They can take a different path and enjoy a peaceful life, of course, this is not without cost, because history can not be changed.

The Messiah and the Jehovah have not forgotten the promise to Israel, If they forget, they won't find me. And I can feel God's special love for Israel.

Israel now faces three serious problems.
1.Problems with promised land.
2.Religious issues.
3.Recognize Jesus Christ as the Messiah.

These three questions come first in no particular order.

Let's start with the three serious problems.
The Bible teaches that we need to learn patience,

Ephesians 4:2
With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;

Matthew
5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
5:40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
5:41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
5:42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
5:44
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Now we know that the war between Israel and Palestine in Gaza came from the promised land.But the truth is that Israel and the Palestinians have become de facto neighbors.

And I know that modern Israel still follows the rules of the Old Testament.
Exodus 21:24
Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
Leviticus 24:20
Breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth: as he hath caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him again.
Deuteronomy 19:21
And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.

The Palestinians and the Israelis are in fact an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. Even if Israel ends this with an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, But for the Arab World, the matter is still unknown, and it becomes a religious issue, and a geopolitical issue.

I mean whether Israel is a strong or weak side of military, learn to be patient, learn the teachings of Jesus Christ NOW. Peace with Palestine and the surrounding Arab States.
Whether Israel can achieve emigration, emigration and settlement in these Arab countries does not have to kill them all according to tradition, Drive them away,then live in the promised land.

I know Israel is worried about Arab World coming together and going to war to drive Israel away. But that's history and past, and now Israel is facing a slightly different situation.

What I'm trying to say is that only by obeying God's word and accepting Jesus Christ's teachings can truly protect Israel.
And according to the statutes of the Old Testament, an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, there is no end to this. War will be no ending.I don't think Israelis enjoy war.

If you don't understand anything, I'll answer.

I don’t disagree but the modern state of Israel is going to get hammered. Only the return of the Messiah will put an end to the coming slaughter.

The Jews already know who God is.
 

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@soberxp do you understand that Jesus is the prophet like Moses whom Yahweh promised to raise up from among the people (Deuteronomy 18:15,18)?
 

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I don’t disagree but the modern state of Israel is going to get hammered. Only the return of the Messiah will put an end to the coming slaughter.

The Jews already know who God is.
@soberxp do you understand that Jesus is the prophet like Moses whom Yahweh promised to raise up from among the people (Deuteronomy 18:15,18)?
Do Google soberxp and second coming of Jesus and Christianchat, you will find out more.

I can't post links, can I?
 

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LOL, When did you register on that forum?

I’d have to go back in my files to check. It was over three years ago, but less than six years ago. I don’t recall having seen you there.

Haven't you seen me? I'm just like you.I was banned on that forum.

I’ve been posting on internet forums since 1997. I started on Zola Board.

I’ve been permanently banned from forums many times, but never for breaking any forum’s rules.
 

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I’d have to go back in my files to check. It was over three years ago, but less than six years ago. I don’t recall having seen you there.



I’ve been posting on internet forums since 1997. I started on Zola Board.

I’ve been permanently banned from forums many times, but never for breaking any forum’s rules.
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