Indisputable proof that the Premillennial theory contradicts Scripture

[Spiritual Israelite]

Exactly. It totally contradicts the New Testament.

They keep asking why the old covenant animal sacrifices were performed while implying that they believe they will be performed again in the future for the same reasons. Which shows their ignorance because the old covenant animal sacrifices were performed only to foreshadow Christ's sacrifice (Hebrews 10:1). Obviously, future animal sacrifices cannot foreshadow His sacrifice. Scripture teaches that animal sacrifices, which are only part of the old covenant, have been made obsolete forever (Hebrews 8:6-13, Hebrews 10:1-12), so their beliefs contradict scripture.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Where is your biblical evidence for this? You seem to be twisting Revelation. Show me other scripture in the New Testament that supports your view.

Did you read revelation or not. When in the timeline in revelations does it say this heavens and earth will be destroyed?

rev 21: 21 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away.

just like he said in

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away

I will await your answer

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Can you not support your opinions with Scripture?

Can you answer our question?

You argument is God will not have sacrifice..

I am just proving your argument is moot.

so can you answer? Has the blood of bulls and goats ever taken away sin?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It is, and has been, coming true for 2000 years. Study history.

oh it is?

Details please.. details..

when was the time of Gods wrath?

When was peace restored in israel?

When they all these things happen?

Yes I have studied histroy (it as well as prophecy are my favorite subjects)

And I see no evidence any of it has come true yet..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Premils take Old Testament Scripture that were prophetically written to the Old Testament saints through a glass darkly pertaining to the new covenant time and propel them into some imaginary future bipolar age of justice and injustice, deliverance and bondage, light and darkness, righteousness and unrighteousness, perfection and sin, glorification and corruption, sin and sinlessness, immortality and mortality, peace and harmony and war and terror. This concept is totally unknown to Scripture.

Actually no

we look at what God said will happen. and taking it as equal with already fulfilled prophecy. we determine if it has not happened yet, It must still be yet to happen. Just like already fulfilled prophecy has.

its called;literal interpretation If God said in the old testament, A will happen, Then B then C then D.

and we look in history and A and B happened exactly as God said it would we can rest our hope of the fact that C and D will happen the same way.

The difficulty Amils have with Premillennialism is that it places a meaning on the Old Testament passages that do not fit with the consistence teaching of Scripture and which conflict with the fuller and clearer revelation of the New Testament. It seems like Premillennialists take advantage of the vaguer and more obscured view that the prophets had and place a meaning on their predictions that were never intended by God or the prophet. That is why Premils seem more comfortable under the old covenant arrangement and are fixated with bringing it back again in the future. Amils pitch their tent in the New Testament and let the clear and explicit New Testament explain the type and the shadow. They see Christ as the fulfillment of every single Old Testament hope.

The difficulty amills have is they do not believe in a future restoration of Israel and a literal reign on earth. so they twist and change the meaning of OT prophets that say they will happen to mean something else. or try to make it appear that it is not Israel but the church (replacement theology) or they spiritualise it away, as if seeing jesus come in the clouds does not literally mean we will see him, It means judgment..

 

[Scott Downey]

They keep asking why the old covenant animal sacrifices were performed while implying that they believe they will be performed again in the future for the same reasons. Which shows their ignorance because the old covenant animal sacrifices were performed only to foreshadow Christ's sacrifice (Hebrews 10:1). Obviously, future animal sacrifices cannot foreshadow His sacrifice. Scripture teaches that animal sacrifices, which are only part of the old covenant, have been made obsolete forever (Hebrews 8:6-13, Hebrews 10:1-12), so their beliefs contradict scripture.

Most likely they have been taught this even from their youth. And reinforced in this from all the teachings they have been subjected to for years.
I used to believe it also a long time ago. But when I started to read the bible for myself, instead of listening to great sounding spiritual words, I came to realize most of what they said were lies.

I can say I am also a work in progress.

2 Cor 11

5 For I consider that I am not at all inferior to the most eminent apostles. 6 Even though I am untrained in speech, yet I am not in knowledge. But we have [b]been thoroughly manifested among you in all things.

7 Did I commit sin in [c]humbling myself that you might be exalted, because I preached the gospel of God to you free of charge? 8 I robbed other churches, taking wages from them to minister to you. 9 And when I was present with you, and in need, I was a burden to no one, for what I lacked the brethren who came from Macedonia supplied. And in everything I kept myself from being burdensome to you, and so I will keep myself. 10 As the truth of Christ is in me, no one shall stop me from this boasting in the regions of Achaia. 11 Why? Because I do not love you? God knows!

12 But what I do, I will also continue to do, that I may cut off the opportunity from those who desire an opportunity to be regarded just as we are in the things of which they boast. 13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.

 

[Scott Downey]

2 Peter 2 "they speak great swelling words of emptiness" "accursed children"​

Destructive Doctrines​

1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction [a]does not slumber.

Doom of False Teachers​

4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to [b]hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 6 and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly; 7 and delivered righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the filthy conduct of the wicked 8 (for that righteous man, dwelling among them, tormented his righteous soul from day to day by seeing and hearing their lawless deeds)— 9 then the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment, 10 and especially those who walk according to the flesh in the lust of uncleanness and despise authority. They are presumptuous, self-willed. They are not afraid to speak evil of [c]dignitaries, 11 whereas angels, who are greater in power and might, do not bring a reviling accusation against them before the Lord.

Depravity of False Teachers​

12 But these, like natural brute beasts made to be caught and destroyed, speak evil of the things they do not understand, and will utterly perish in their own corruption, 13 and will receive the wages of unrighteousness, as those who count it pleasure to [d]carouse in the daytime. They are spots and blemishes, [e]carousing in their own deceptions while they feast with you, 14 having eyes full of [f]adultery and that cannot cease from sin, enticing unstable souls. They have a heart trained in covetous practices, and are accursed children. 15 They have forsaken the right way and gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Beor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness; 16 but he was rebuked for his iniquity: a dumb donkey speaking with a man’s voice restrained the madness of the prophet.

17 These are wells without water, [g]clouds carried by a tempest, for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness [h]forever.

Deceptions of False Teachers​

18 For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who [i]have actually escaped from those who live in error. 19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of [j]corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into [k]bondage. 20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. 21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. 22 But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.”

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Did you read revelation or not. When in the timeline in revelations does it say this heavens and earth will be destroyed?

rev 21: 21 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away.

just like he said in

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away

I will await your answer

The book of Revelation indicates that they will pass away after the thousand years (and Satan's little season) and 2 Peter 3:10-13 indicates that they will pass away when Jesus comes as a thief in the night. What does that tell you about the timing of the thousand years? It tells me that it occurs BEFORE Christ comes as a thief in the night.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Can you answer our question?

You argument is God will not have sacrifice..

I am just proving your argument is moot.

so can you answer? Has the blood of bulls and goats ever taken away sin?

You were asked if you can support your view with scripture and you respond with your own questions instead of answering the question. Your response here shows that you can't provide any scripture to back up your claim since you don't even attempt to do so. And, why would you ask a question that every Christian knows that the answer is no? Of course the blood of bulls and goats has never taken away sin. What is the purpose of that question?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The difficulty amills have is they do not believe in a future restoration of Israel and a literal reign on earth. so they twist and change the meaning of OT prophets that say they will happen to mean something else. or try to make it appear that it is not Israel but the church (replacement theology) or they spiritualise it away, as if seeing jesus come in the clouds does not literally mean we will see him, It means judgment..

Premills have difficulty with New Testament scripture and think they understand OT scripture better than the NT authors did. It's almost as though Judaism would be more appealing to some Premills than Christianity. Do you accuse Paul of spiritualizing away OT scripture when he says that the promises God made to Abraham and his seed were made to Christ and those who belong to Christ (Galatians 3:16, 29)?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Most likely they have been taught this even from their youth. And reinforced in this from all the teachings they have been subjected to for years.
I used to believe it also a long time ago. But when I started to read the bible for myself, instead of listening to great sounding spiritual words, I came to realize most of what they said were lies.

I agree. They most likely do not study scripture for themselves while asking the Holy Spirit for guidance and instead just believe what they were taught. You decided to be like the Bereans and study it for yourself to see if what those false teachers said was true and you discovered that it was not.

I can say I am also a work in progress.

We all are to some extent, at least.

 

[Scott Downey]

Premills have difficulty with New Testament scripture and think they understand OT scripture better than the NT authors did. It's almost as though Judaism would be more appealing to some Premills than Christianity. Do you accuse Paul of spiritualizing away OT scripture when he says that the promises God made to Abraham and his seed were made to Christ and those who belong to Christ (Galatians 3:16, 29)?

More often than not they do this. I think of them as old testament Christians. Doctrine based on OT and not what the NT says is a sign of this.
Including a salvation by works emphasis I have seen.
Jesus correctly interpreted the OT doctrines as during His ministering that is what they had then, and He had inspired what was written.

Jesus also spoke to them in Parables who had not been granted to know the truth. God hides the truth in stories and parables, but to those who have been granted to know He speaks to them plainly. An illustration or parable does not reveal truth, it hides the truth.

This is deliberate, as it is the will of God speak the truth but to not explain it so as to be understood by those God does not want to know Him. He does this so that revelation knowledge only comes from Him and not a man, as a spiritual gifting. We receive from God, we don't figure things out by our own understanding.

John 10

Most assuredly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door, but climbs up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. 2 But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 3 To him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep hear his voice; and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4 And when he brings out his own sheep, he goes before them; and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. 5 Yet they will by no means follow a stranger, but will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers.” 6 Jesus used this illustration, but they did not understand the things which He spoke to them.


This is a truth Jesus rejoices in

Luke 10

Jesus Rejoices in the Spirit​

21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in the Spirit and said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and revealed them to babes. Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight. 22 All[g] things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows who the Son is except the Father, and who the Father is except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.”

Mark 13

9 And He said [c]to them, “He who has ears to hear, let him hear!”

The Purpose of Parables​

10 But when He was alone, those around Him with the twelve asked Him about the parable. 11 And He said to them, “To you it has been given to know the [d]mystery of the kingdom of God; but to those who are outside, all things come in parables, 12 so that

‘Seeing they may see and not perceive,
And hearing they may hear and not understand;
Lest they should turn,
And their sins be forgiven them.’ ”


Romans 11

7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 Just as it is written:

“God has given them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes that they should not see
And ears that they should not hear,
To this very day.”

9 And David says:

“Let their table become a snare and a trap,
A stumbling block and a recompense to them.
10 Let their eyes be darkened, so that they do not see,
And bow down their back always.”

 

[Scott Downey]

Example of this from the OT, God has not changed how He strives with men.


Numbers 12
Then Miriam and Aaron [a]spoke against Moses because of the [b]Ethiopian woman whom he had married; for he had married an Ethiopian woman. 2 So they said, “Has the Lord indeed spoken only through Moses? Has He not spoken through us also?” And the Lord heard it. 3 (Now the man Moses was very humble, more than all men who were on the face of the earth.)

4 Suddenly the Lord said to Moses, Aaron, and Miriam, “Come out, you three, to the tabernacle of meeting!” So the three came out. 5 Then the Lord came down in the pillar of cloud and stood in the door of the tabernacle, and called Aaron and Miriam. And they both went forward. 6 Then He said,

“Hear now My words:
If there is a prophet among you,
I, the Lord, make Myself known to him in a vision;
I speak to him in a dream.

7 Not so with My servant Moses;
He is faithful in all My house.

8 I speak with him face to face,
Even plainly,[c] and not in [d]dark sayings;
And he sees the form of the Lord.
Why then were you not afraid
To speak against My servant Moses?”

9 So the anger of the Lord was aroused against them, and He departed.

 

[amigo de christo]

I believe that the scriptures indicate that sacrifices will be performed again, but not for the reasons one might imagine.

it is possible . i dont say it aint either .
But this i do know . ITs all in vain friend .
We should have preached JESUS to the lost and understood
that if a jew or gentile does deny HIM , WELL they just DENIED GOD and have absolutely NO HOPE
but remain only under wrath and in total darkness .
ONE thing i know and that by grace is
IF one denies JESUS is the CHRIST , THEY are NOT OF GOD and are in darkness no matter
who or what they were born , whether jew or gentile .
ONE cannot DENY GOD and if one denies JESUS IS THE CHRIST , i am reminding us all , THEY DO DENY GOD
HIS TESTIMONY and call HIM a liar . BOOTS ON , cause its time we preach the one true gospel
again that the first men preached , THAT JESUS had preached .

 

[Eternally Grateful]

@Scott Downey Hey bud

Nothing you are posting shows that when God says A will Happen. and B will happen. That if C and D have not happened yet. they will not happen.. they will

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

More often than not they do this. I think of them as old testament Christians. Doctrine based on OT and not what the NT says is a sign of this.
Including a salvation by works emphasis I have seen.
Jesus correctly interpreted the OT doctrines as during His ministering that is what they had then, and He had inspired what was written.

Jesus also spoke to them in Parables who had not been granted to know the truth. God hides the truth in stories and parables, but to those who have been granted to know He speaks to them plainly. An illustration or parable does not reveal truth, it hides the truth.

This is deliberate, as it is the will of God speak the truth but to not explain it so as to be understood by those God does not want to know Him. He does this so that revelation knowledge only comes from Him and not a man, as a spiritual gifting. We receive from God, we don't figure things out by our own understanding.

John 10

Most assuredly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door, but climbs up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. 2 But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 3 To him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep hear his voice; and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4 And when he brings out his own sheep, he goes before them; and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. 5 Yet they will by no means follow a stranger, but will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers.” 6 Jesus used this illustration, but they did not understand the things which He spoke to them.


This is a truth Jesus rejoices in

Luke 10

Jesus Rejoices in the Spirit​

21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in the Spirit and said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and revealed them to babes. Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight. 22 All[g] things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows who the Son is except the Father, and who the Father is except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.”

Mark 13

9 And He said [c]to them, “He who has ears to hear, let him hear!”

The Purpose of Parables​

10 But when He was alone, those around Him with the twelve asked Him about the parable. 11 And He said to them, “To you it has been given to know the [d]mystery of the kingdom of God; but to those who are outside, all things come in parables, 12 so that

‘Seeing they may see and not perceive,
And hearing they may hear and not understand;
Lest they should turn,
And their sins be forgiven them.’ ”


Romans 11

7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 Just as it is written:

“God has given them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes that they should not see
And ears that they should not hear,
To this very day.”

9 And David says:

“Let their table become a snare and a trap,
A stumbling block and a recompense to them.
10 Let their eyes be darkened, so that they do not see,
And bow down their back always.”

I agree, but it's also important to point out that the ones who were blinded were not blinded permanently as if there was no hope for them. They were blinded in order to have salvation go to the Gentiles. But, Paul hoped to lead some of them who were blinded to salvation by way of provoking them to jealousy by way of the salvation of the Gentiles.

Romans 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. 12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? 13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: 14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

 

[amigo de christo]

The book of Revelation indicates that they will pass away after the thousand years (and Satan's little season) and 2 Peter 3:10-13 indicates that they will pass away when Jesus comes as a thief in the night. What does that tell you about the timing of the thousand years? It tells me that it occurs BEFORE Christ comes as a thief in the night.

Who here is over forty of fifty years of age .
Who here has a decent memory .
I am telling us all i have never seen a delusion like the one i am seeing grow and abound so massive right now .
Many people try and tell me , OH its always been like this .
NO It has not . OH if one means sin and evil has always been in the world they would be right .
BUT i remember my childhood , i remember even my twenties and so on .
This generation no longer HIDES DIDLY DOO , THEY HONOR THEIR SIN .
there used to be a time when men did hide certain sins and did them in the dark .
FRIEND they no longer hide it , THEY HONOR IT , call it pride , call it whatever
Reminds me of something GOD once told the jews right before HE SMASHED his own people FLAT .
YE are like sodom unto me
You no longer even hide your sins , YOU honor them in the streets .
Something went viral . As best i can tell
it came upon a generation that was very BOLD and HAD NO DESIRE to hear anything about GOD
THEY were delivered unto all out reprobation and things quickly took a turn for the worse and fast .
And this church age is scared to death to correct anything
which soon led to their acceptance of said sins and now even OF UNBELIEF . ITS GETTING WORSE .
ITS GROWING LIKE A HUGE GREEN BRAY TREE . THE WICKED SPREAD their branches
AND JUDGMENT of WRATH WILL SOON COME UPON THEM all and they will NOT escape .

 

[amigo de christo]

I agree, but it's also important to point out that the ones who were blinded were not blinded permanently as if there was no hope for them. They were blinded in order to have salvation go to the Gentiles. But, Paul hoped to lead some of them who were blinded to salvation by way of provoking them to jealousy by way of the salvation of the Gentiles.

Romans 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. 12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? 13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: 14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

THAT BE THE KEY . through their UNBELIEF , UNBELIEF
But now through even the believing gentiles and jews
THROUGH Our mercy , OUR preaching of the GOSPEL they might turn again AND BELIEVE and be saved .
Paul knew the truth my friend . SO its high time
we stop thinking that every one born a jew is gonna be okay . RATHER we need to MOUNT UP
and start preaching CHRIST to all that has breath . cause TIMES RUNNING OUT my friend . ITS RUNNING OUT .
THE DAY OF THE LORD COMETH and shall burn through the wicked .
Seeing we desire not their death , WE GOTTA PREACH THE DIRE NEED to beleive ON JESUS to them
and , AND THIS is huge too , WE GOTTA GET this people BACK INTO THE BIBLE for themselve so they can LEARN .

 

[amigo de christo]

I agree, but it's also important to point out that the ones who were blinded were not blinded permanently as if there was no hope for them. They were blinded in order to have salvation go to the Gentiles. But, Paul hoped to lead some of them who were blinded to salvation by way of provoking them to jealousy by way of the salvation of the Gentiles.

Romans 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. 12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? 13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: 14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

THERE BE ONLY ONE TREE that be the TRUE TREE .
THE GREEN TREE that consists of THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN JESUS .
all outside of that ARE IN THE DRY TREE and that TREE GONNA BURN on the DAY of the LORD .
THERE is ONLY ONE way to get a jew or gentile INTO that tree . THEY MUST , MUST , MUST BELIEVE IN HE WHO GOD DID SEND .
otherwise , ITS ALL VAIN and only WRATH REMAINS UPON THEM ALL .

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Who here is over forty of fifty years of age .
Who here has a decent memory .
I am telling us all i have never seen a delusion like the one i am seeing grow and abound so massive right now .

I am and I have to agree with you. It sure seems like the time that Jesus talked about in Matthew 24:9-13 and that Paul talked about in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12, doesn't it? Which we Amills refer to as Satan's little season. I think this is one reason that some Premills can't understand our view. They think all Amills believe that we're still in the thousand years now and not yet in Satan's little season, so they wonder how we can believe that Satan is bound right now. But, some of us Amills don't believe he is still bound now because of what we see going on in the world in recent years.

Many people try and tell me , OH its always been like this .
NO It has not . OH if one means sin and evil has always been in the world they would be right .
BUT i remember my childhood , i remember even my twenties and so on .
This generation no longer HIDES DIDLY DOO , THEY HONOR THEIR SIN .

Right. There is no shame for sin anymore and it's not hidden anymore. Good point. We now have gay pride month and gay pride parades and nonsense like that. Would that have happened if Satan wasn't loosed? It doesn't seem like it.

there used to be a time when men did hide certain sins and did them in the dark .
FRIEND they no longer hide it , THEY HONOR IT , call it pride , call it whatever

Yep. We're on the same page here.

Reminds me of something GOD once told the jews right before HE SMASHED his own people FLAT .
YE are like sodom unto me
You no longer even hide your sins , YOU honor them in the streets .
Something went viral . As best i can tell
it came upon a generation that was very BOLD and HAD NO DESIRE to hear anything about GOD
THEY were delivered unto all out reprobation and things quickly took a turn for the worse and fast .
And this church age is scared to death to correct anything
which soon led to their acceptance of said sins and now even OF UNBELIEF . ITS GETTING WORSE .
ITS GROWING LIKE A HUGE GREEN BRAY TREE . THE WICKED SPREAD their branches
AND JUDGMENT of WRATH WILL SOON COME UPON THEM all and they will NOT escape .

Agree. We're seeing things happening that Jesus said would happen to indicate that His coming was near (Matthew 24:32-33). He talked about many turning away from the faith and an increase in wickedness and such. That's what we're seeing now.