Limited atonement !

[brightfame52]

The truth of limited atonement is vital to the Christian Gospel, there's no Gospel without it. See 1 Cor 15:3. It refers specifically to the Death of Christ on the Cross, which death fully satisfied the law and justice of God for not all human beings but only for a certain group, the elect of God, Chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world.

Now let's get one thing understood, when i speak of limited atonement, i don't mean by any means that Christ atoning death is limited in its power, but that its limited in that it doesn't cover or apply to everyone, but only applies to and covers the elect or chosen of God or the Church of God in Christ, or Gods Sheep. Jn 10

 

[amigo de christo]

Without faith in HE whom God did send they will die in their sins .
For if one believes NOT that HE is Christ they will surely die in their sins .
He who believes is not condemned
but HE who believes not is condemned already for he has not beleived in the Name of the only begotten Son of GOD .
If one does not beleive they shall not receive .
And if one believes in another jesus that contradicts His words , the words of Truth
well then they dont beleive IN THE TRUE CHRIST JESUS and thus they will die in their sins .

 

[Nancy]

The truth of limited atonement is vital to the Christian Gospel, there's no Gospel without it. See 1 Cor 15:3. It refers specifically to the Death of Christ on the Cross, which death fully satisfied the law and justice of God for not all human beings but only for a certain group, the elect of God, Chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world.

Now let's get one thing understood, when i speak of limited atonement, i don't mean by any means that Christ atoning death is limited in its power, but that its limited in that it doesn't cover or apply to everyone, but only applies to and covers the elect or chosen of God or the Church of God in Christ, or Gods Sheep. Jn 10

Hello @brightframe52

If condemnation came upon ALL men because of Adam, how then can atonement be limited to "some men"?

Romans 5:18
“Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.”

 

[amigo de christo]

Hello @brightframe52

If condemnation came upon ALL men because of Adam, how then can atonement be limited to "some men"?

Romans 5:18
“Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.”

And that there is the WHY the true lambs point to CHRIST and the dire need to repent and believe ON HIM .
I say rather than preaching calivin many get busy preaching the HOW ONE CAN BE SAVED . its easy
JUST BELIEVE YE ON JESUS the CHRIST as paul once told the jailor . March on sister . march onwards in the LORD .

 

[marks]

The truth of limited atonement is vital to the Christian Gospel, there's no Gospel without it. See 1 Cor 15:3. It refers specifically to the Death of Christ on the Cross, which death fully satisfied the law and justice of God for not all human beings but only for a certain group, the elect of God, Chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world.

Now let's get one thing understood, when i speak of limited atonement, i don't mean by any means that Christ atoning death is limited in its power, but that its limited in that it doesn't cover or apply to everyone, but only applies to and covers the elect or chosen of God or the Church of God in Christ, or Gods Sheep. Jn 10

There are too many passages which declare Jesus died for all for me to believe this. I'd have to reject much plainly written Scripture, starting with "Behold! The Lamb of God Who carries away the sin of the world!"

And there are many more like this.

Much love!

 

[brightfame52]

Without faith in HE whom God did send they will die in their sins .
For if one believes NOT that HE is Christ they will surely die in their sins .
He who believes is not condemned
but HE who believes not is condemned already for he has not beleived in the Name of the only begotten Son of GOD .
If one does not beleive they shall not receive .
And if one believes in another jesus that contradicts His words , the words of Truth
well then they dont beleive IN THE TRUE CHRIST JESUS and thus they will die in their sins .

An unbeliever who never believes is because they have always been condemned by the Law for their sins, Christ was not their Surety and never died for their sins.

 

[brightfame52]

Hello @brightframe52

If condemnation came upon ALL men because of Adam, how then can atonement be limited to "some men"?

Romans 5:18
“Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.”

Rom 5:18 is limited to the elect, they are the same many in Rom 5:19

For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

And if you notice the all were made righteous/ or Justified. Its only the elect

 

[brightfame52]

@marks

There are too many passages which declare Jesus died for all for me to believe this.

Then you dont understand biblically the all terms and are yet in unbelief

 

[amigo de christo]

An unbeliever who never believes is because they have always been condemned by the Law for their sins, Christ was not their Surety and never died for their sins.

Better it is to have sucked the milk of the pure word
than to suckle from the rod of calvin . You aint gonna make it bright fame .
Even now the lie calling itself love has entered within thine heart
What do you suppose happens to those who YOU claim CHRIST never died for .
DO they in the end somehow still end up attaining eternal life
I WOULD REALLY like for you to answer my question . What do you think
happens to them . Many already beleive a lie .
I would just like to know if you believe that same lie or not .

 

[marks]

@marks



Then you dont understand biblically the all terms and are yet in unbelief

No, rather, I read it with understanding, and I believe what I read.

"The sin of the world" is an all-inclusive term. And there are so many more like this, I encourage you to believe the words you read.

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

No, rather, I read it with understanding, and I believe what I read.

"The sin of the world" is an all-inclusive term. And there are so many more like this, I encourage you to believe the words you read.

Much love!

JESUS did pay the price of all sins . BUT those who shall be saved
are only THOSE WHO DO BELEIVE .
SO while we preach to all that message
what we dont do is try and find common ground .
Cause the last time i checked GOD has nothing in common with darkness . LIGHT has nothing in common with darkness .
LIGHT EXPOSES DARKNESS . Just cause JESUS paid the price
dont mean in the end those who rejected HIM will EVER SEE OR HAVE ETERNAL LIFE .
SO i suggest to us all and to all i do suggest , we get busy seeing HOW paul and others did things
what message they preached , and how they shook the dust clean off their feet
against those who failed to believe ON JESUS THE CHRIST . JUST as JESUS had told them to DO SO .
sounds hateful to this generation , but TRUE IT BE .

 

[marks]

O i suggest to us all and to all i do suggest , we get busy seeing HOW paul and others did things
what message they preached , and how they shook the dust clean off their feet

Yes, do these things.

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes, do these things.

Much love!

Finding common ground is of satan , NOT GOD .
i sure hope you understand that . for more info feel free to ask questions .

 

[amigo de christo]

No, rather, I read it with understanding, and I believe what I read.

"The sin of the world" is an all-inclusive term. And there are so many more like this, I encourage you to believe the words you read.

Much love!

The sacrfice IS available to any and to all who grab ahold and believe .
BUT WOE WOE DOUBLE TRIPLE WOE unto those who called GOD A LIAR .
Hey mark would you ever once call GOD A LIAR .
Would you support those who do so .
I didnt think so . SO remember the words of JOHN
HE who BELIEVES NOT , yes mark that says BELIEVES NOT , the testimony that GOD ALL MIGHTY , yes mark that says OF GOD
that HE gave OF THE SON , yes mark that means JESUS
IS CALLING GOD A LIAR .
every single religoin , cept true christanity , calls HIM A LIAR , IS OF SATAN .
yes i said satan . If that seems harsh , cruel , judgemental
THEN LETS read the bible shall we .
WE WERE ALL once of satan under his influence mark . ONLY ONE way to be freed FROM THAT .
HIS NAME BE JESUS and one must BELIEVE .
in fact , in very fact if one hears not us , THEY ARE NOT OF GOD . YES MARK . I said NOT OF GOD .
but john wrote it first and JESUS said it first .

 

[marks]

Finding common ground is of satan , NOT GOD .
i sure hope you understand that . for more info feel free to ask questions .

I'm just wondering why you are replying to my posts, to just go on and say the same things you always say. What is it exactly that you want me to know? Or do you just use my posts as a springboard into your usual rant?

Much love!

 

[marks]

Finding common ground is of satan , NOT GOD .
i sure hope you understand that . for more info feel free to ask questions .

We as the children of God are to share the commonality of the indwelling Holy Spirit, Who makes us one.

Ephesians 4:4-6 KJV
4) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5) One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6) One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

And . . .

Ephesians 4:11-16 KJV
11) And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12) For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13) Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14) That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15) But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16) From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

I'm just wondering why you are replying to my posts, to just go on and say the same things you always say. What is it exactly that you want me to know? Or do you just use my posts as a springboard into your usual rant?

Much love!

Cause i been watching mark . I been watching many peoples on this site .
And i am very very worried for many .
I want YOU to know that The love of GOD would never say , HEY dont correct a brother or sister in sin
HEY we all sinners JUST SHUT THINE MOUTH you judger .
GOD WOULD NEVER say that . the apostels never said that , JESUS never said that .
BUT many have bought that as they wont correct sins and errors in those churches and use
the banner of love and loving TO NOT CORRECT but rather JUDGE THOSE who do correct . JUST hoping you aint part of that bunch .

 

[Nancy]

Rom 5:18 is limited to the elect, they are the same many in Rom 5:19

For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

And if you notice the all were made righteous/ or Justified. Its only the elect

It seems you really have to bend way backwards as you jump through many hoops to make this doctrine fit. No logic at all IMHO. But, thanks for the reply!

 

[brightfame52]

Better it is to have sucked the milk of the pure word
than to suckle from the rod of calvin . You aint gonna make it bright fame .
Even now the lie calling itself love has entered within thine heart
What do you suppose happens to those who YOU claim CHRIST never died for .
DO they in the end somehow still end up attaining eternal life
I WOULD REALLY like for you to answer my question . What do you think
happens to them . Many already beleive a lie .
I would just like to know if you believe that same lie or not .

An unbeliever who never believes is because they have always been condemned by the Law for their sins, Christ was not their Surety and never died for their sins.. What you think happena, read your bible

 

[amigo de christo]

It seems you really have to bend way backwards as you jump through many hoops to make this doctrine fit. No logic at all IMHO. But, thanks for the reply!

He has kneeled before the throne of calvin sister
and has drunk of the rod of calivin . Many wont just preach the truth that saves anymore .
They too busy following men and have been led astray . Onward in the trenches sister
far better had it been for the peoples to have drunk of the pure milk of the word
than to have grabbed hold upon the rod of men and suckled that drink of poison unto themselves .