OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

[Jack]

Seriously you do not know Salvation and Saved is the same thing?

Yep

once SAVED always Saved… and your Bible verification Satan Loves Always Saved?

OSAS, a license to sin. I'll take the Narrow way that Jesus recommended.

Luke 13:24
24 "Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.

OSAS isn't narrow by any stretch!

 

[Behold]

OSAS, a license to sin.

OSAS is a heretical concept created by Jews 2000 yrs ago, to try to subvert the understanding of God's Grace, so that a believer would be deceived.

What this teaching is designed to do, according to JUDE..... is create the false concept that God's Grace is.. "Licentiousness"...or freedom to live like the devil.

So, once this becomes your belief, then you will find it almost impossible to ever understand God's Grace as "the GIFT of Salvation", and "The Gift of righteousness".

So, now that your faith is subverted your Christianity is the same.

See.... this idea of "license to sin", is designed to corrupt your understanding of God's Gift of Salvation, so that you will always try to keep yourself saved, and you'll always feel that you can lose your salvation.

And what is that?
That is broken faith that has disconnected from God's Grace.
You are now "fallen from Grace" .. as Paul explains..
And when your faith is ruined, then your Christianity has become your own idea of self righteousness to try to earn your way into heaven based on SELF EFFORT.

 

[Jack]

OSAS, is not the Narrow way of Jesus.

Matthew 7:13-14
13 Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.
14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

 

[GracePeace]

Mt 18 was not written to Christians........there are no Christians at that time.

See, when you try to use verses as church doctrine that are not written to the NT church, then you end up where you are.... @GracePeace .

= "cult theology".

Never use a verse where Jesus is talking to JEWS, before Jesus died on The Cross to begin the NT Body of Christ...... as doctrine for the church.

Understand?

Repeating the same falsified idea isn’t going to make it true. Answer to the answer I already provided you. That's how a discussion works--we progress through it by answering successive challenges to our views, gettingthroughthe outer layers to the core so we can see whether its true or false.

 

[Taken]

OSAS, a license to sin.

LOL…sorry bubs, no one requires a License to Sin!! lol what nonsense.

A man having Receive his Salvation CAN NOT Sin.

Guess you are among the Many who are Not Soul Saved…correct?

 

[Behold]

Repeating the same falsified idea

Let me show you something...

A.) No Cross = No Christians.

AA.) Matt 18 = No Cross yet.

See if you can figure this out, @GracePeace .

 

[GracePeace]

Let me show you something...

A.) No Cross = No Christians.

AA.) Matt 18 = No Cross yet.

See if you can figure this out, @GracePeace .

What did Jesus want His Apostles to teach the world?

 

[Jack]

Seems like OSASers are trying to convince each other.

 

[Jack]

LOL…sorry bubs, no one requires a License to Sin!! lol what nonsense.

A man having Receive his Salvation CAN NOT Sin.

You can't sin???????? You never confess your sins?

Guess you are among the Many who are Not Soul Saved…correct?

I don't think you have a clue what you're talking about.

 

[Taken]

OSAS is a heretical concept created by Jews 2000 yrs ago, to try to subvert the understanding of God's Grace, so that a believer would be deceived.

What this teaching is designed to do, according to JUDE..... is create the false concept that God's Grace is.. "Licentiousness"...or freedom to live like the devil.

So, once this becomes your belief, then you will find it almost impossible to ever understand God's Grace as "the GIFT of Salvation", and "The Gift of righteousness".

So, now that your faith is subverted your Christianity is the same.

See.... this idea of "license to sin", is designed to corrupt your understanding of God's Gift of Salvation, so that you will always try to keep yourself saved, and you'll always feel that you can lose your salvation.

And what is that?
That is broken faith that has disconnected from God's Grace.
You are now "fallen from Grace" .. as Paul explains..
And when your faith is ruined, then your Christianity has become your own idea of self righteousness to try to earn your way into heaven based on SELF EFFORT.

Utter nonsense.

 

[Taken]

You can't sin????????

Correct

You never confess your sins?

Already Did.

I don't think you have a clue what you're talking about.

I have no expectation that someone ON the narrow path, as you say, would understand someone who has accomplished the walk and Reached Eternal Life.



Matt 7:
[13] Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
[14] Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life,
and WARNINGfew there be that find it.

 

[Jack]

Correct

Already Did.

I have no expectation that someone ON the narrow path, as you say, would understand someone who has accomplished the walk and Reached Eternal Life.

Matt 7:
[13] Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
[14] Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life,
and WARNINGfew there be that find it.

John wasn't saved?

1 John 1:7-9
7 But if WE walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Unconfessed sin may be UNFORGIVEN sin, O sinless one!

 

[GracePeace]

A man having Receive his Salvation CAN NOT Sin.

Why do you say that?
I read something that seems different in Scripture.

1 John 1:8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1 John 2:1 ...I am writing these things to you so that you will not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate before the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.

As for 1 John 3:9 ("Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God."), John is addressing/debunking Gnosticism, which taught that, because all the material world was evil (having been created by the evil demiurge), 1. Christ, since He was/is holy, could not have incarnated (all material is evil), and 2. Christians should expect to continue sinning gravely (eg, orgies).

 

[Taken]

John wasn't saved?

1 John 1:7-9
7 But if WE walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Knowing WHO, we, us, our Is, Does Not Include Everyone, Simply because they are capable of Quoting a Scripture.

Unconfessed sin may be UNFORGIVEN sin, O sinless one!

Gaslighting and False Accusations Do Not make you correct….it simply makes YOU a gaslighter and FALSE Accuser.

The SavED know they are NOT SINLESS!
How come you DO NO Know That? Never mind…you haven’t finished the WALK you claim to be ON.

 

[Taken]

Why do you say that?

Because the Scripture that Applies to me Tells me so.

1John 3:
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

I read something that seems different in Scripture.

1 John 1:8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

When you Quote me SAYING That…^^^
then I will Answer you.

 

[Behold]

Utter nonsense.

I can tell you and the NT are not a daily love affair. @Taken

Listen according to JUDE who wrote about them. (Jews) .... = they came into the local assembly and tried to subvert the Gospel.
The created a false narrative that deceives you into thinking that the Grace of God, when its taught and "preached" correctly, is "License to sin". "Licentiousness".

Also, Paul himself dealt with these same and they accused Him of "license to sin"...... tho in the NT its called "sinning so that Grace will come".
The vernacular has been rebranded in the last 100 yrs as "greasy grace"... "cheap grace". "osas", and "License to sin".

 

[GracePeace]

When you Quote me SAYING That…^^^
then I will Answer you.

LOL You actually just quoted 1 john 3:9 to say exactly that didn't you?

Don't you remember the conversation we are having?

You said this:

A man having Receive his Salvation CAN NOT Sin.

Then I said this :

Why do you say that?
I read something that seems different in Scripture.

Then you said this :

Because the Scripture that Applies to me Tells me so.

1John 3:
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

So, how aren't you denying that you sin?

Actually, I knew you would raise 1 John 3:9, which was why I already prepared the answer : he isn't saying Christians don't sin (or else 1 Jn 2:1 would be unnecessary to write), he is addressing the Gnostic heresy, just as he addresses the Gnostic heresy when he writes any spirit that denies Christ came in the flesh is not of God (ie, he doesn't mean to say Christians don't sin, he is debunking Gnosticism which taught that Christians are expected to continue in gross sins like orgies because all material is evil--just as they say Christ, Who is holy, could not have incarnated, because all material is evil).

 

[Jack]

Knowing WHO, we, us, our Is, Does Not Include Everyone, Simply because they are capable of Quoting a Scripture.

John included himself at least 10 times!

Gaslighting and False Accusations Do Not make you correct….it simply makes YOU a gaslighter and FALSE Accuser.

Unconfessed sin may be unforgiven sin! How is that accusing you? It isn't! But YOU just falsely accused me. You sure you never sin?

The SavED know they are NOT SINLESS!

You said you NEVER sin!

How come you DO NO Know That? Never mind…you haven’t finished the WALK you claim to be ON.

Why do you preach OSAS?

 

[Taken]

I can tell you and the NT are not a daily love affair. @Taken

Your opinion Irrelevant.

Listen according to JUDE who wrote about them. (Jews) .... = they came into the local assembly and tried to subvert the Gospel.
The created a false narrative that deceives you into thinking that the Grace of God, when its taught and "preached" correctly, is "License to sin". "Licentiousness".

“License to sin”… LOL

That is the most ridiculous phrase I have ever heard from a “supposed” Christian.

Also, Paul himself dealt with these same and they accused Him of "license to sin"...... tho in the NT its called "sinning so that Grace will come".

And repeating that LOL!!!

The vernacular has been rebranded in the last 100 yrs as "greasy grace"... "cheap grace". "osas", and "License to sin".

i was naturally born in sin….in the US where ya get a Certificate of birth…not some stupid made up nonsense of a “License to sin”….

 

[Taken]

LOL You actually just quoted 1 john 3:9 to say exactly that didn't you?

Don't you remember the conversation we are having?

You said this:

Then I said this :

Then you said this :


So, how aren't you denying that you sin?

I have never said I HAVE NO SIN…and why you could not quote me saying that.

Actually, I knew you would raise 1 John 3:9, which was why I already prepared the answer : he isn't saying Christians don't sin (or else 1 Jn 2:1 would be unnecessary to write), he is addressing the Gnostic heresy, just as he addresses the Gnostic heresy when he writes any spirit that denies Christ came in the flesh is not of God (ie, he doesn't mean to say Christians don't sin, he is debunking Gnosticism which taught that Christians are expected to continue in gross sins like orgies because all material is evil--just as they say Christ, Who is holy, could not have incarnated, because all material is evil).

Won’t speak FOR you as you (and@ Jack) attempt to speak for me.

I have never claimed to have no sin.
I have never claimed to be sinless.

I, having done the Will of God…had my sin Forgiven and Covered, that even God sees my sin no more.
If ya’all are still sinning, ya’ll will reap the consequences thereof same as I reap the Consequences for sinning NO more.