OSAS : Gnostic Heresy
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Taken
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It’s the Truth that Matters.
Anyone can purchase a Gift FOR you…if you do not Reach out your hand and TAKE the Gift…you forfeit, lose Having, Possessing that Gift.
If you Win a prize in a raffle and don’t bother to collect the prize by an alloted timeframe, you forfeit, lose the prize, Because you never took possession of the prize.
Salvation is no different…
Salvation is a Gift, bought and paid for, and Offered to Every man…
If you do not reach out your hand and Take it before the Dead-Line…(which is Your bodily Death)…you lose, you forfeit the gift.
People preaching they RECEIVE the Gift and THEN can lose it is False.
People preaching they Can Reach out and TAKE the Gift AFTER bodily Death is False.
People preaching God Forces His Gift on them AFTER their Death, (when during their bodily life, they Never wanted or agreed to Take His Gift) is False.
The Gift is Offered to all men.
The Time-line for a man to Agree to Accept the Gift is During the man Bodily Life-Time.
The Gift is LITERALLY Given, AFTER an accounted bodily Death.
The ACCOUNTING of the moment of a Bodily Death…IS according to Gods books and records accounting…(not your secular county magistrate).
Gods Gift of Salvation is a Spiritual Offering and Gift, and the order and way is Spiritual…not secular.
Glory to God,
Taken
Behold
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That's not a biblical answer, you gave, and its definitely not a bible student answer.
Let me help you.
In the OT< there was no Cross, no Jesus, no Virgin Birth, no "Church".
Think on that.
You are teaching more cult nonsense.. @GracePeace .
If you can keep it up, then i'll be able to determine if you are a JW or a Mormon, or worse.
Your verse is written before Jesus died on the Cross, so, you can't apply it to the born again believers, doctrinally.
Also, the Born again are ....>"no more a servant".
Why not?
Because the born again are SONS // Daughter of God........and that is much different then being a servant.
The born again do SERVE God, but not as servants........ They serve God as FAMILY Members........= Born again.... CHRISTians, .. who are "Sons/Daughters" of God based on spiritual Birth.
An empty assertion--1 Cor 10 demonstrates my point. He says these things happened to them, and they were written down for us teach us not to do as they did because we know what God will do to us based on how He dealt with them
How can you "help" anyone when you're completely unacquainted with the material?
Oh, OK so when Jesus said go and disciple the nations teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have taught you, that was what he meant--"Forget everything I said. That was all nonsense. I died on the Cross, tell them that. Don't mention anything I taught before I died on the Cross. I spoke in vain. God spoke through Me in vain. All of that is nothing. It was a joke."
Which of us is in a "cult"???
Romans 1:1 "Paul, a bondservant of Christ Jesus"
Paul is in a "cult" right? But you have the true Christianity? LOL
James 1:1 "James, a bondservant of God"
Again, you prove you are in abject ignorance concerning the Biblical material.
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Taken
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Well ya, not in dispute. That is called falling from Faith.
Faith comes from Hearing the Word of God.
Stop hearing, stop receiving Faith.
Reject what you did hear, you have Fallen from Faith.
While Hearing, while believing, you receive Blessings.
This phase is Called “Tasting”, which at any time that individual CAN by his own will, own power “spit it out”, and Reject God…Fall Away.
That is the “prelude” ( if one continues)… to “commitment”, to “Eating” the word of God, to RECEIVING Salvation…
Which IS NOT KEPT Constant, Continual BY the POWER of man…Rather Once having RECEIVED Salvation…
Is KEPT by the “Indwelling” Power of God…
And WHY, ONCE a man (the Key) IS Saved, it IS Forever.
Glory to God,
Taken
Taken
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The term “Christian” does not define one IS “soul Saved”. There are many who “identify” as Christian, who are Not “Soul Saved”, by, through, Of Baptism the Holy Spirit, via “the Lamb of God”.
“If” one is Not Baptized, by the “Lamb of God”…before his bodily Death…
He does Not participate in the Rapture, by the Lord raising them up.
“If” that same person, (not Baptized, but) continues in Belief, and bodily Dies, Then is his soul saved by God and God shall raise his body up in the First Resurrection.
“IF …THEN”…has specific application to Christ Jesus…
And God the Father…
Depending on Whose HAND and When a man’S soul IS Saved.
John 10:
[26] But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
[27] My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
[28] And I give unto them eternal life;
OSAS
and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
[29] My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
HUH?
Please quote "Soul Saved" from the Bible.
Clearly implying that nobody can force Christians to forsake the Faith! Doesn't mean Christians can't choose to leave.
Taken
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Clearly you can not Understand I was speaking of Salvation, not A Religious organization.
Taken
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Pss 23:
[3a] He restoreth my soul:
1 Pet 1:
[9] Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
Behold
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I dont offer those.
Guess again.
You could not explain how the Blood Atonement unless you "googled" it, and then you'd still not understand it.
An unbeliever can be a disciple and yet not be a Christian.
Let me show some examples..
Jesus said, "if you keep my words you are my disciple"... but that is not the same as this.. "you must be BORN again" to become a "new Creation", in Christ.
Now your cult has no idea at all, regarding understanding what i just wrote, so that is your situation. @GracePeace
Let me show you more "disciples of Christ".
Notice..
"Depart from me, i never knew you". Jesus told them
See those, @GracePeace ? ??? = those were DISCIPLES.. and they still exit today..
These are "water baptized" "religious pretenders" who believe they are Christians because their cult has them convinced.
You already acknowledged my point from Mt 18 was a fatal issue to your empty view, BUT you tried to rescue your empty view by saying it is irrelevant now. I showed that it's still relevant, because Jesus said go teach others what I taught you.
Also, you claimed we weren't servants, but Sons, thus Mt 18 wasn't about us, again proving you have no issue speaking without knowledge, since you were debunked.
Still waiting for your answers.
JK I know you're not interested in truth from Scripture.
Taken
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No, I said OSAS. I'll stick with the NARROW way. "STRIVE to enter in"! It's much safer. FEW there be who find it. Jesus said so.Satan loves Salvation?
Bible verse that verifies that claim?
Taken
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Seriously you do not know Salvation and Saved is the same thing?
once SAVED always Saved… and your Bible verification Satan Loves Always Saved?
Behold
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Mt 18 was not written to Christians........there are no Christians at that time.
See, when you try to use verses as church doctrine that are not written to the NT church, then you end up where you are.... @GracePeace .
= "cult theology".
Never use a verse where Jesus is talking to JEWS, before Jesus died on The Cross to begin the NT Body of Christ...... as doctrine for the church.
Understand?
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