Exploring Trinitarian Logic

[St. SteVen]

What does this evidence imply about other gods, including the trinitarian god?

Your false accusations of idolatry illustrate that this is not a civil discussion.

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[St. SteVen]

Was it God 'incognito' the whole time when we would wait for the 'Good Humor' truck???

Sometimes we entertain angels unaware.
(or vice versa) - LOL

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[St. SteVen]

And you @St. SteVen, are you doubling down on your false witness that my point was that Scripture is a diversion on a religious forum?

It was a legitimate question and you have not rescinded.
(that's QUESTION, not accusation)

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[St. SteVen]

You are just not serious people discussing a serious subject.

Perhaps because Christians that are not Trinitarian is a ridiculous idea.

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[Aunty Jane]

Dear @APAK,
The Love of God asks you to please review carefully - Thank You

Watchtower NWT Bible = In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.

Look it up in a Greek Interlinear and see that there are two “gods” mentioned in John 1:1.
Biased translation ignores the definite article when it is often the only identifier of Yahweh, when God and his son are mentioned together.

The only reason why the definite article is used at all is because the Jews had stopped saying the divine name, so the Greeks had no word for a god with no name. The one nameless Jewish God was simply called “the God” and lesser divine ones like Jesus or angels, or even humans like the judges in Israel were called “gods” not because they were Yahweh, but because they were either divinely created or divinely authorised. (John 10:31-36) This is why the trinity was even able to be introduced in an apostate church because using the divine name in John 1:1 would have prevented it.

It would have read.....
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Yahweh, and the Word was divine.”

No one can be saved by the god of Watchtower.

APAK is not a JW.....not all trinity deniers are Jehovah’s Witnesses.....

The “Watchtower” has no god...it is a Bible Society that prints Bible literature.
It is used as a legal entity by Jehovah’s Witnesses to print and distribute Bible study aids to help us to understand the big picture. Most on here don’t seem to have one.

What is your big picture David? Why are we here? What kind of life did God purpose for humankind “in the beginning”?
How did we lose that......and how did God plan to restore his first purpose for us?
Where will Christians spend eternity?

"a god" cannot save you or anyone = Isaiah 45:5

Jesus did not need to be either God or a god to save mankind....all he needed to be was the exact equivalent of Adam....a perfect sinless mortal human being. One life that made atonement for an equivalent life.
The fact that there was not another human being on earth who was sinless, necessitated the need for God to produce a sinless human to atone for the life that Adam took away from his children. God created Adam and God created in Mary a life that could be laid down as a sacrifice for Adam’s sin.....not just any life, but a free willed human being whom he could trust implicitly to carry the future of entire human race on his shoulders.
He transferred the life of his precious son for an earthly mission, which he carried out perfectly.

 

[Aunty Jane]

I am the Lord, and there is no other;
There is no God besides Me.

“The Lord” is a title, not a name. Yahweh is God’s name and nowhere in the Bible is Jesus called Yahweh.
There is no God but Yahweh.

There is only ONE Way to Salvation = the Word was God and the Word became flesh = Immanuel, God with us

The one way to salvation is what Jesus said.....

John 17:3...
“This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.”

This is a salvation issue....we have “to know the only true God AND the one he sent”.
God did not send himself, nor did he need to in order to redeem mankind. He is an immortal Being who cannot die. He sent his son because at that time he was not an immortal, so he could become a human and offer his life. He was granted immortality as a reward for his faithful service as “God’s holy servant”. (Acts 4:27) God is not his own servant.

Lord Jesus Christ = "IAM the WAY the TRUTH the LIFE, no one comes to the FATHER but thru ME"

Exactly.....and no one can come to the son without an invitation from his Father. (John 6:65)

Unless you “know the only true God AND the one he sent”....there can be no salvation because you are serving a different God to the one Jesus worshipped.....and still does. (Rev 3:12) The first Commandment is violated if we are found worshipping a God different to the one who delivered the Israelites from slavery in Egypt. Christendom’s god is an incomprehensible invention of apostate Christianity, foretold by Jesus and his apostles. Christendom is a fragmented and divided mess....God’s spirit would never have authored such a disgraceful counterfeit.....but the devil would. (Matt 13:24-30; 36-43)

Jesus worshipped Yahweh and prayed to him. Is there Scripture saying we need to “know the Holy Spirit”? Does the Holy Spirit pray to Yahweh? Are we told to worship the son and the Holy Spirit? Before you answer please check out the meaning of Greek word for “worship”. (pro·sky·neʹo) and tell me what it says.

Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

This passage doesn’t say what you think it does....God highly exalted himself? God gave himself a name that is above the one he already has? (Psalm 83:18) Is the knee bowed in worship or obeisance? (Same word)
It is only worship when given to God.....never to a human. Jesus was a human....and all the glory goes to the Father, not the son. You read over scripture without seeing what it actually says.

the Lord Jesus Christ
Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” - Acts 4:12

Yes...he is the savior.....but sent by the greater Savior....without Yahweh, there is no Jesus......Yahweh is the God of Jesus. Only Yahweh is “Our Father”.

the FATHER will only accept you if you come to the Lord Jesus Christ

And David, he won’t accept anyone who calls on the name of the wrong “god”.....

Romans 10:12-15....Paul wrote....
“For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek. There is the same Lord over all, who is rich toward all those calling on him. 13  For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” 14  However, how will they call on him if they have not put faith in him? How, in turn, will they put faith in him about whom they have not heard? How, in turn, will they hear without someone to preach? 15  How, in turn, will they preach unless they have been sent out?...”

Peter also wrote at Acts 2:21...
“And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”’

Each of these apostles was quoting Joel 2:32 which says...
“And everyone who calls on the name of Yahweh (Jehovah) will be saved”.

Look up this Scripture in the Jewish Tanakh....You can clearly see the Tetragrammaton in the Hebrew text.

“Jesus” is not the name we are to call on for salvation....we are to call on the one whom Jesus calls “my God”. (Rev 3:12) The one identified by the apostles collectively in 1 Cor 8:5-6....as “one God, the Father”.

Jesus is the means of salvation, but not the author of it. Jesus is “the one he sent”.....sent by “the only true God”. (John 17:3)

The whole of Christendom is calling on the name of the wrong “god”.....which means that they do not “know” him at all....they have been led to worship one who is a “divine one”, but who is himself a worshipper of his God and Father. (John 20:17)

You are perpetuating an ancient lie, and the devil has the whole “Christian” world hoodwinked, just as Jesus said he would. This counterfeit “Christianity” is not new, but began to emerge towards the end of the first century and culminated in the formation of the Roman Catholic Church in the 4th century......this disgusting fake church formulated all the doctrines that eventually carried over in the Reformation, resulting in a world wide empire of fake “Christianity”.

God has never set foot in Christendom for obvious reasons.....none more obvious than Jesus’ words at the judgment to those claiming him as their “Lord”.....he will say to them...”I never knew you, depart from me you workers of lawlessness”....(Matt 7:21-23)
”Never” means “not ever”......please contemplate what that means for all who accept the counterfeit god of the trinity....

 

[Aunty Jane]

That is what you believe it can mean Aunty, by the scripture that you post, ...I believe differently.

The Father and I are one, that could mean that they are one in Spirit.

I have to say that I am always impressed by your sincerity Ritajanice.....but being “one in spirit” is exactly what the Scripture means. What is our spirit though? How would we define it? Isn’t it the motivating force within our hearts that steers us towards God? It is the difference between some one who is not spiritual reading the words of the Bible and not responding to them at all.....the words do not ‘resonate’ as they do for believers. But then we have to ask is satan capable of taking that spirituality in us and redirecting it to something at appears to be correct, but is nothing but a clever counterfeit? Or at least it was in the beginning where false doctrines were introduced gradually until they were accepted by the masses.

Comparing those fully accepted doctrines now with what was held to be truth by the first Christians, we see an appalling chasm between original Christianity and what now passes for it in a church system so divided that God would be hard pressed to find the truth in any of them. This is why Jesus says at the judgment “I never knew you”.....he has never recognised those who claim him as their “Lord”. (Matt 7:21-23)

Jesus grew from the seed of God, that is my belief, he was Born in human flesh, yet he was divine...that imo goes without saying.

He did indeed grow in the womb of the wonderful woman he chose to give birth to his son and to raise him in a devout Jewish household. Joseph too was the perfect earthly father of God’s son, taking his family for the prescribed yearly festivals in Jerusalem and teaching all his children the value of staying close to their God and obeying his laws.

The Living seed that overcame Mary, was the Living Holy Spirit.....Jesus was not an ordinary human being....he was the divine Son Of God ,grown all according to God’s purpose/ plan in the womb of Mary...how I even entertained that he was human as we are before we became Born Again, with sin, baffles me....I guess I was then thinking from my human understanding at that time.....

Even though Jesus was divinely produced, he was still 100% mortal human....and free willed, as the exact equivalent of Adam, for whose sinful course he willingly came and offered his life in atonement for what Adam had done to all his children. In order to give his life, he had to remain sinless, proving that Adam too could have remained sinless if he had chosen to be obedient to his God instead of choosing to side with his disobedient wife. The devil tried to derail his course by tempting him to sin, but he staunchly refused.

I am his vessel to use as he so pleases, he used the Virgin Mary to grow his seed of Jesus in, she was also a vessel that God used.......God used many to get his message across.....Jesus was a prime example only he was the divine Son Of God, he was no ordinary human man....the Bible was written under the influence of the Holy Spirit...the Holy Spirit speaks through his children.the Born Of The Spirit Children?

We can all be used by God to impart knowledge and understanding of God’s word. But it requires careful study to prove the truth of what it really teaches, not being sidetracked by the accepted doctrines of a counterfeit church system, hopelessly divided with people leaving in droves, and wondering why God is not blessing them. (1 Cor 1:10)

History testifies against Christendom as being divided over doctrinal issues, divided in politics, divided over domestic and international issues, divided in claims of capital and labor, divided over fascism, divided over communism, divided over democracy, divided in war and divided in peace.
As Jesus said.... “every kingdom divided against itself comes to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand”. (Matt 12:25)

There can only be one truth....so who is teaching it? Who are living the truth rather than just talking about it?

The crash that is coming will be monumental! We cannot be a part of what God calls “Babylon the great”. We are to remove ourselves from her, before God destroys her. (Rev 18:4-4)

 

[David in NJ]

Look it up in a Greek Interlinear and see that there are two “gods” mentioned in John 1:1.
Biased translation ignores the definite article when it is often the only identifier of Yahweh, when God and his son are mentioned together.

The only reason why the definite article is used at all is because the Jews had stopped saying the divine name, so the Greeks had no word for a god with no name. The one nameless Jewish God was simply called “the God” and lesser divine ones like Jesus or angels, or even humans like the judges in Israel were called “gods” not because they were Yahweh, but because they were either divinely created or divinely authorised. (John 10:31-36) This is why the trinity was even able to be introduced in an apostate church because using the divine name in John 1:1 would have prevented it.

It would have read.....
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Yahweh, and the Word was divine.”

APAK is not a JW.....not all trinity deniers are Jehovah’s Witnesses.....

The “Watchtower” has no god...it is a Bible Society that prints Bible literature.
It is used as a legal entity by Jehovah’s Witnesses to print and distribute Bible study aids to help us to understand the big picture. Most on here don’t seem to have one.

What is your big picture David? Why are we here? What kind of life did God purpose for humankind “in the beginning”?
How did we lose that......and how did God plan to restore his first purpose for us?
Where will Christians spend eternity?



Jesus did not need to be either God or a god to save mankind....all he needed to be was the exact equivalent of Adam....a perfect sinless mortal human being. One life that made atonement for an equivalent life.
The fact that there was not another human being on earth who was sinless, necessitated the need for God to produce a sinless human to atone for the life that Adam took away from his children. God created Adam and God created in Mary a life that could be laid down as a sacrifice for Adam’s sin.....not just any life, but a free willed human being whom he could trust implicitly to carry the future of entire human race on his shoulders.
He transferred the life of his precious son for an earthly mission, which he carried out perfectly.

Dear Aunty,
Our life on this earth is very SHORT.
DO NOT wait until you die to bow your knee and confess with your tongue that Jesus Christ is LORD

Look up Genesis chapter 1 in the Hebrew = PLURAL = 3

Look up Elohim and Elohenu in the Hebrew = PLURAL = 3

GOSPEL = PLURAL = 3 = SAME 3 from Genesis

Apostles writings = PLURAL = 3

Revelation = PLURAL = 3

FYI - the RCC is EVIL and i ran from it into the TRUE LIVING ELOHIM

 

[ProDeo]

@Aunty Jane

I am curious how you see -

Filipp 2:5 For, let this mind be in you that is also in Christ Jesus,
Filipp 2:6 who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal to God,
Filipp 2:7 but did empty himself, the form of a servant having taken, in the likeness of men having been made,

There is a whole list of Bible translations of this verse - Philippians 2:6 - Bible Gateway

But the JW states -
Keep this mental attitude* in YOU that was also in Christ Jesus,+ 6 who, although he was existing in God’s form,+ gave no consideration to a seizure,* namely, that he should be equal to God.+ 7 No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form+ and came to be in the likeness of men.

That's really something else, or?

 

[St. SteVen]

Neither be of you are serious Bible students, reverting to childishness when you cannot defend your IDOL.

What part of...
The Word was from the beginning. The Word was God. The Word became flesh. ...
... don't you understand?

Was it the... Word was from the beginning part?

Or was it the... Word was God part?

Or perhaps the... Word became flesh part?

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[face2face]

Perhaps because Christians that are not Trinitarian is a ridiculous idea.
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It's long been the closed minded who missed him!

 

[face2face]

Or perhaps the... Word became flesh part?

The Logos became flesh—the outward Divine expression of God's inner thought! I'm truly in awe of how you get tangled up in the concept of Logos. Everything that was created has come from the Logos!

 

[face2face]

@Aunty Jane

I am curious how you see -

Filipp 2:5 For, let this mind be in you that is also in Christ Jesus,
Filipp 2:6 who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal to God,
Filipp 2:7 but did empty himself, the form of a servant having taken, in the likeness of men having been made,

"And now the Lord says, he who formed me from the womb to be his servant..." (Isaiah 49:5, ESV)

God, the one who formed His Son in the womb!

You can't fully understand Philippians without recognizing the prophecies in Isaiah, as this is clearly where Paul's thoughts were when writing the letter.

Pro, watching you reply to posts is like watching someone fumble for the right key in the dark... why not turn on the light so you can see clearly?

F2F

 

[Pierac]

Speaking of ignorance, I see you struggle with answering a Simple question.

WOW…LOL

This is why you cried like a baby for all to see.

Don't hate me for spanking Your theology in public for all to see... I understand your embarrassment!!!

I'm sorry your Kamala Harris lost the election.... You need to leave Politics off this forum!!!

Really... bring politics here is not cool!

SO NEXT TIME POST FACTS AND SCRIPTURE.... NOT OPINIONS.... MR. CNN!

 

[Aunty Jane]

@Aunty Jane

I am curious how you see -

Filipp 2:5 For, let this mind be in you that is also in Christ Jesus,
Filipp 2:6 who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal to God,
Filipp 2:7 but did empty himself, the form of a servant having taken, in the likeness of men having been made,

There is a whole list of Bible translations of this verse - Philippians 2:6 - Bible Gateway

Yes, I know that translations can vary on many things, but as far as scripture, twisted to accommodate the trinity is concerned, bias in translation wins out when the translators are trinitarians.

Let’s examine the passage in question and see why we have a different take on it....

Here is the rendering of the NASB....Phil 2:5-11....

“Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped”.....

Let’s stop there because we already have a translation issue...

Which is the correct rendering? From the translation you used, it seems as if Jesus was “in the form of God” but what does that expression mean? What “form” does God have?

According to the apostle John...”God is a spirit” (John 4:24) which means that Yahweh exists in spirit form, not in any tangible material state. Paul also calls him “the invisible God” (Col 1:15) So scripturally the pre-human Jesus existed in spirit form, as do all who inhabit the spirit realm.

Next....
“and “thought it not robbery to be equal with God”....or “did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped”...big difference in the rendering there....one is suggesting equality with God, the other is denying it...so which is correct?

The NWT has an asterisk with the word “seizure” where the Greek is interpreted as.... “Or, “thing to be seized.” Lit., “snatching.”....so Jesus never once thought of snatching deity, or equality with his God. He only ever called himself “the son of God”.

Is there any scripture that has Jesus ever claiming equality with his God and Father? I assure you there is not a single clear statement where Jesus ever claimed to be equal to his Father as part of a triune “godhead”...this Word was made up by trinitarians...it does not exist in the Bible.

“but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.”

Taking on human form was a humble act because it meant giving up his glorious spiritual body to take on human flesh. This made him “lower than the angels” so we can only imagine the humility it took to volunteer for that assignment....but he loved his God and he also dearly loved the human race whom he had a hand in creating. And it also required his obedience...to whom is God obedient? Himself?

“For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name”
Read that again....can God highly exalt himself? Can God give himself a name that is above the one he already has as “the Most High over all the earth” (Psalm 83:18 KJV)
There is no name higher than Yahweh.

“so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth”
Is this bowing, “worship”....or is it reverence for his position as our savior and as the “son of God”?

Obeisance and worship are the same word in Greek, (pro·sky·neʹo) so how do we know which way to translate it....? Context. When describing what is rendered to God, it is “worship”...but when rendered to a human being, it is “obeisance”. Jesus was a human being.

“and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”

Confessing that Jesus is “Lord” is not another way of saying that “Jesus is God”.....the title “Lord” is the English equivalent of calling someone in authority, “Sir”......

Christendom has made “the Lord” into “The LORD” which was only made possible because the disobedient Jews refused to utter the divine name. (Exodus 3:15) Had God’s illustrious name still been used in the first century, Christendom could never have gotten away with the formulation of the trinity.

All that the son accomplished in his earthly mission was to glorify his Father...not himself.

But the JW states -
Keep this mental attitude* in YOU that was also in Christ Jesus,+ 6 who, although he was existing in God’s form,+ gave no consideration to a seizure,* namely, that he should be equal to God.+ 7 No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form+ and came to be in the likeness of men.

That's really something else, or?

It’s the truth according to the rest of the Bible and accurate translation, not influenced by a false doctrine, so ancient that no one seems keen to explore its authenticity. They are so convinced that it is a salvation issue that they refuse to examine the evidence for its lack of Scriptural support.

The devil has succeeded as he always does, in his deception with people who cannot be corrected....

 

[ProDeo]

Born again is literal?

John 3:10 - Jesus answered and said to him, 'Thou art the teacher of Israel--and these things thou dost not know!

 

[ProDeo]

Born again is literal?

Paul -

Gal 2:20 - I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

Is that a reality for Unitarians?

 

[face2face]

The boredom in this thread has driven me to create my own Trinitarian apologist, whom I will name Mr. Trinny.

Mr Trinny states:

"First of all, the hypostatic union gave the world an impeccable Person. This predicates of Christ, mark you, not only anamartesia ("sinlessness"), but impeccability (inability to sin). It is not just a matter of posse non peccare ("able not to sin"), but of non posse peccare ("unable to sin"). It is not enough to say Christ did not sin; it must be declared unequivocably that He could not sin. To entertain for a moment the thought that Christ could sin, would involve issues that call for a radical revolution in our conception of the Godhead.

Mr Trinny also goes by the name of Lewis Sperry Chafer, Systematic Theology (Grand Rapids, MI: Kregel Publications, 1993), 394.

Now Mr Trinny makes two clear observations which all need to absorb!

1. The Trinity lives or dies on the knowledge of Jesus being able to sin or unable to sin.

So, if you are a Trinitarian who believes Jesus had the potential to sin, you are not a Trinitarian!

2. Having proved in this forum with the help of @Wrangler @APAK we can 100% confirm the Lord Jesus Christ was not only was raised up out of sin's flesh, he was tempted in every single way and found to be sinless in that flesh nature. This means for the Trinitarians in this forum MUST go through a radical revolution in our conception of the Godhead.

Now Mr Trinny has a lot more to say on this subject of "able to sin", or "unable to sin", but for now we need to process his claims and reveiw those well proven facts this thread has wonderfully provided.

I'm sure you would like to join in with me in welcoming Mr Trinny to the forum?

F2F

 

[Pierac]

Gen 2
[7] And the LORD God “formed” man of the dust of the ground,
^ CREATED
and
“breathed into” his nostrils the breath of life
^ MADE
and
man became a living soul.
^ PERSON (Body with a Soul)

Conjunctions!

Pretty much like Jesus.... Luk 3:38 the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God. ouch!

The second Adam..

1Co 15:45 So also it is written, "The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

Last Adam... Yea.... that"s what Paul teaches...

Lets' look at Peter....
Act 2:22 "Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know--

Who performed Taken????

Joh 14:31 but so that the world may know that I love the Father, I do exactly as the Father commanded Me. Get up, let us go from here.

Grab you ankles little Boy.... Jesus is about to spank you!!!


Joh 8:40 "But as it is, you are seeking to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth, which I heard from God; this Abraham did not do.

Now.... where have we heard this before????

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him

Little Boy... Taken... You want me to show you whom raised Jesus from the dead... yea... you do!

Act 2:24 "But God raised Him up again, putting an end to the agony of death, since it was impossible for Him to be held in its power.

Act 2:32 "This Jesus God raised up again, to which we are all witnesses.

Act 3:15 but put to death the Prince of life, the one whom God raised from the dead, a fact to which we are witnesses.

Act 3:26 "For you first, God raised up His Servant and sent Him to bless you by turning every one of you from your wicked ways."

Really... God raised His servant... or did God raised Himself... as you teach!!!

Act 4:10 let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead--by this name this man stands here before you in good health.

Act 10:40 "God raised Him up on the third day and granted that He become visible,

Act 13:30 "But God raised Him from the dead;

Act 13:37 but He whom God raised did not undergo decay.

Really... How Bad of a scriptural spanking does it take.... for you to SEE Your following the traditions of Men!!!

 

[Aunty Jane]

Dear Aunty,
Our life on this earth is very SHORT.
DO NOT wait until you die to bow your knee and confess with your tongue that Jesus Christ is LORD

Why is life on this earth so short David? Was it meant to be short? How long did humans live after Adam’s sin and before the flood? Read Genesis ch 5 and see the longevity. Noah was 500 years old before he had children!
When God told Adam that he would die “the day” he ate from the forbidden fruit....did he die in that 24 hour period or was it the case as Peter stated....?
2 Peter 3:8...
“However, do not let this escape your notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.”
Look at the ages and see that the oldest living human was Methuselah who lived to be 969....or just short of the thousand years.

It becomes very apparent after some discussion who has studied theology and who has actually studied the Bible....JW’s study the whole Bible, which exposes theology as a tainted version of what the Bible says in cherry picked verses skewed to accommodate an ancient lie that has been perpetuated down to this day. .

Look up Genesis chapter 1 in the Hebrew = PLURAL = 3

Look up Elohim and Elohenu in the Hebrew = PLURAL = 3

GOSPEL = PLURAL = 3 = SAME 3 from Genesis

Apostles writings = PLURAL = 3

Revelation = PLURAL = 3

FYI - the RCC is EVIL and i ran from it into the TRUE LIVING ELOHIM

Every one of your points here has been scripturally refuted, but this is just a refusal to acknowledge what you do not want to hear.....only God can unblock ears, unblind eyes and unlock hearts.....he did that for me over 50 years ago...and I have never stopped learning and extracting gems from that spiritual treasure chest.

You are stuck in ancient doctrines formulated by a church you claim to have run from.....why do you still believe her lies? (2 Cor 4:3-4) Before the RCC there was no official “church” doctrine of the trinity......satan had gradually introduced a foreign god (with three heads) claiming to be the true God, when Jesus and his apostles had never served such a god....didn’t know such a god, and never would have served such a foreign deity.

Satan is the one who promotes the worship of multiple gods....the God of Israel was the God of Jesus Christ....he was “ONE” not three. (Deut 6:4) Claiming three gods in one entity is a violation of the first Commandment. You have three gods in the place of the Father. (Ex 20:3)