Exploring Trinitarian Logic

[ProDeo]

It uses the term "Logos," which refers to the outward expression of God's inner thoughts. This means that Jesus existed in the mind of God from the very beginning and was manifested when He was given life through Mary.

The part I made red is simply heretic showing your true feathers.

I am beginning to understand our former talks.

Like your previous low point - Christ did not literally descend from heaven! ©face2face

I don't even going to post Scripture to rebuke your false teaching, it's self understood for most of us.

 

[Johann]

Apparently, you did not or cannot read and understand what I wrote. Did you not notice the discernment between literal and figurative in my post?

The apostle John, a OT Hebrew who became Born-Again by the Word and filled with the Holy Spirit.

How many times did John the Apostle write: "the Word" in his opening breath in the Gospel???

@Johann @Wrangler @APAK

Brothers @Johann and @St. SteVen

What dynamic changed with the Word when the Word became flesh
AND
did that dynamic continue???
AND
If YES, then for what purpose???

Brother, don't tag me with APAK and Wrangler, I have lost all interest in this back and forth.

J.

 

[David in NJ]

Brother, don't tag me with APAK and Wrangler, I have lost all interest in this back and forth.

J.

SHALOM my BROTHER in CHRIST

i ONLY included your name BEAUSE you KNOW the TRUTH

YES, i will not include you with them = notice that your name was placed before theirs out of respect for you and out of love for them.

 

[David in NJ]

Brother, don't tag me with APAK and Wrangler, I have lost all interest in this back and forth.

J.

Gotta go for now - SHALOM to you Today

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
So we shouldn't trust the scriptures? …John 10:35 NIV

Odd pivot from what she said. Someone made a post talking about how Christian’s have a tendency to use Scripture, not to lighten, but to bludgeon.

You made an odd pivot of your own.
You claim that Trinitarians hate scripture. But you (collectively, disregard it)
Case in point.

Ah yes, we can all post scripture that tells us such things.

Thus brushing aside a posted scriptures as if meaningless.

And what do you have in your defense, one scripture?

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[Ritajanice]

Brother, don't tag me with APAK and Wrangler, I have lost all interest in this back and forth.

J.

Me too,I mean how can we discuss with someone who repeatedly tells us we talk BS...

Wrangler doesn’t, he’s never spoken to me like that.

 

[Ritajanice]

Thus brushing aside a posted scriptures as if meaningless.

And what do you have in your defense, one scripture?

I do not brush any scripture aside, I asked you if you know the Love Of God in your heart, you then posted a verse of scripture..

You need to understand from the heart my friend, seek God out with our hearts, for that is where you will find him.

You won’t find him seeking out written words...I don’t think you are understanding my point to be honest.

I am deeply in love with the Spirit Of God...it deepens as we grow and mature in Christ.

IT'S ALL ABOUT THE HEART

The Bible calls King David, “a man after God’s own heart” (see 1 Samuel. 13:14)

Ephesians 3:17-19​

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King James Version​

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17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God

 

[Wrangler]

Perhaps it was incoherent. - LOL

Not sure what is funny about this. Speculating truth does not make it true!

It’s posts like this that reveal a degree of frivolous when you should be introspective, seriously examining your beliefs that run counter to facts and logic. For instance, Scripture says man was created on Day 6.

1. Why believe something contrary to Scripture?
2. And why when pushed, you engage in speculation and push responsibility on to others?
3. Bearing false witness. Accusing my post of being possibly incoherent is slander. If my post was unclear, you have a responsibility in the conversation to point out how so.

 

[face2face]

@Ritajanice

Same chapter -

1Petr 1:22 Having purified your souls by your obedience to the truth for a sincere brotherly love, love one another earnestly from a pure heart,
1Petr 1:23 since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God;

You also believe you have divine nature now Pro?

 

[face2face]

The part I made red is simply heretic showing your true feathers.

I am beginning to understand our former talks.

Like your previous low point - Christ did not literally descend from heaven! ©face2face

I don't even going to post Scripture to rebuke your false teaching, it's self understood for most of us.

You have shown your understanding that the Son of Man (flesh) was in Heaven as a man.

What type of flesh did your Son of Man have?

F2F

 

[face2face]

I find it a case study in willful ignorance that trinitarians invoke Hebrews 1 as support for Jesus deity while over looking these time dependent statements of his creation and sonship.

I agree, the concept of the Trinity has profoundly changed the narrative of the Bible by redefining its central figures and presenting a new understanding of God. It's similar to how the Israelites turned to the Golden Calf, while the more learned Eastern and Western Greeks of the time reinterpreted the story through their own writings. One thing is clear: the Old Testament played no role in their reasoning, and that has ultimately led to their downfall.

 

[Wrangler]

I agree, the concept of the Trinity has profoundly changed the narrative of the Bible by redefining its central figures and presenting a new contrary understanding of God.

The trinity presents a contrary view of God from the Biblical narrative, a direct violation of the 1st Commandment and Jesus own words that the Father is the only true God.

 

[APAK]

You know what, @APAK, I honestly couldn’t care less about your arguments. The core doctrines concerning the Messiah are under relentless attack-His cross, death, burial, resurrection, and even His Deity are being redefined on this forum.

It appears that you and Wrangler have positioned yourselves as gatekeepers of erroneous doctrines, especially regarding the Deity of Christ Jesus, our great God and Savior.

There is no respectful dialogue here anymore- instead, what we see is a full-scale war against the Triune Godhead.

Now, exegete John 1:1 for me-the most hated verse in Scripture. Let’s see if you’re capable of handling it properly.

J.

Gatekeepers, not at all. Truth tellers in the Spirit, yes, and yes again.

I cannot help it J., when the Spirit 'sees' err, I usually bring it to the forefront, with ANYONE, not just you. And if I'm premature. impatient or in err, I usually bring that up aswell...and sometimes in the form of an apology.

Have a great rest of Day J. It has to be better than you might feel right now, and especially with folks like me.

 

[ProDeo]

John 1:1-5 says nothing about the pre-existence of Christ.

But John 17:5 (and other passages) do -

John 17:5 - And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.

 

[APAK]

Wow!....in your opinion, yet, you can’t show where I posted my emotions or discuss in a respectful, civilised manner..lol.

Discuss my posts @APAK ....instead of attacking them, with no scriptural support?

RJ relax...and have a great day. No one here is really attacking you personally. There's nothing to gain in that, only ridiculous arguments and ill-feelings. With your words, yes, most definitely, attack appropriate errs on the subject at hand if required.
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[ProDeo]

You also believe you have divine nature now Pro?

. Christ did not literally descend from heaven! ©face2face regarding John 3:13

. This means that Jesus existed in the mind of God from the very beginning and was manifested when He was given life through Mary. ©face2face

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After these 2 statements of yours I prefer to no longer communicate with you.

 

[David in NJ]

The trinity presents a contrary view of God from the Biblical narrative,a direct violation o f the 1st Commandment and Jesus own words that the Father is the only true God.

The trinity presents a contrary view of God from the Biblical narrative,

All talk with no evidence, therefore you are a false witness

a direct violation of the 1st Commandment

Watchtower/jehovah false witness breaks the 1st Commandment = the Word was "a god"

Jesus own words that the Father is the only true God.

Another false witness statement

Jesus Christ is LORD and Says: IAM the WAY the TRUTH the LIFE, no one comes to the FATHER but thru ME"

Jesus Christ is LORD Says: Eternal Life is to know the only true God AND Jesus Christ whom He sent

You say no to the LORD you say no to HIS FATHER = "I and My FATHER are ONE"

@Wrangler = if you humble yourself before the Lord Jesus Christ can be saved from your sins.

 

[Wrangler]

Thus brushing aside a posted scriptures as if meaningless.

And what do you have in your defense, one scripture?

This is what is meant to use Scripture to bludgeon. The thread is about X; the posted Scripture is about Y. So, it’s not that the posted Scripture is meaningless - another False Witness - it’s that it is:

1. A distraction from the conversation.
2. Not a substitute for conversation.

Too many just post Scripture as a Superman argument, leaving it to the reader to figure out how it makes the case for their claim. Again, responsibility.

 

[St. SteVen]

... seriously examining your beliefs that run counter to facts and logic.

That's priceless. And you really should get a sense of humor.

Imagine that, the doctrine of the Trinity challenges human logic.
I guess we didn't know that God was allowed to do that.
And we certainly have provided tons of biblical evidence.
Though never to your satisfaction.

Why did the Pharisees pick up stones when Jesus said this?

John 8:58-59 NIV
“Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”
59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself,
slipping away from the temple grounds.

John 10:29-32 NIV
My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[a];
no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand.
30 I and the Father are one.”
31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him,
32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father.
For which of these do you stone me?”

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[St. SteVen]

1 . A distraction from the conversation.

Scripture is a diversion on a religious forum? Who knew?

2. Not a substitute for conversation.

There's no talking to you. Clearly a fruitless endeavor.

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