Is Ezekiel Chapter 39 In The Gog/Magog Battle Future And Unfulfilled?

[ewq1938]

That means you think weapons back then were burning for an entire 7 years then.

It's not impossible but my position is that this is prophecy that went away when the old covenant did so not prophecy any longer.

As to Revelation 20:7-9, no matter how you look at it, none of that will be involving man made weapons of any kind. And why not? Maybe because they destroyed them all at the beginning of the millennium? Otherwise, how do we explain what happens to all weapons of war? It's not like the 21st century there is no such thing as man made weapons of war, and that it is silly to think Revelation 20:7-9 will be involving man made weapons of war, such as tanks, missiles, etc. Not that you are thinking it would involve man made weapons. I'm just stressing a point is all, that it is silly that Revelation 20:7-9 can be involving tanks, missiles, etc. As if all those things are present during the millennium but out of service, then after the millennium they are being used again.

It's reasonable that a human army would have some type of human weapons, but none are mentioned in the text you cited. Either way, it has nothing to do with Ezekiel 39.

 

[ewq1938]

Let's say all the weapons - if literally the ancient weapons listed, were stacked in piles, do you really think it would take seven years to burn them ?

It says 7 years so that's what was meant but this is not valid prophecy anymore IMO so it doesn't matter.

Let's examine further.....

Ezekiel 39.10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord GOD.

What were the people doing with the wood they took out of the field. And the wood of the trees they cut down out of the forests ?

In context it's to keep the fires going while wooden weapons are added.

They were burning the wood for cooking and heat.

No cooking is mentioned. It definitely is not people taking diesel fuel out of tanks and cooking dinner for their families.

 

[Davidpt]

I Disagree, the battle in Ezekiel 39 took place Long Ago with wooden weapons as scripture clearly identifies Bows, Arrows, Shields, and Spears, that Israel burnt in their fires for seven years thousands of years ago

Give us a ballpark amount as to how many weapons it involved at the time, then tell us what the point was in burning them for 7 years, if after 7 years weapons of that kind still existed and continued to exist indefinitely? In other posts you said it was pretty much a fairy tale to apply this to the future. As if it's not equally a fairy tale if applied to thousands of years ago. That they are going to burn weapons for 7 years, in vain of all things, thus accomplish zero at the end of it.

 

[IronMaiden]

That would mean the 7 years burning the weapons, the 7 months burying the dead, is meaning during the beginning of the millennium, right? If yes, that makes sense to me since there is this to consider---nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more(Isaiah 2:4). And they start by destroying all weapons of war.

Yes, I believe that Ezekiel 39 is speaking about the millennial kingdom when Jesus Christ will rule. The 7 years will be a time of cleansing. This is the Day of the Lord. The way I understand it, there will be no more wars.

Ezekiel 39:6-12 (NKJV) 6 “And I will send fire on Magog and on those who live in security in the coastlands. Then they shall know that I [am] the LORD. 7 “So I will make My holy name known in the midst of My people Israel, and I will not [let them] profane My holy name anymore. Then the nations shall know that [I am] the LORD, the Holy One in Israel. 8 “Surely it is coming, and it shall be done,” says the Lord GOD. “This [is] the day of which I have spoken. 9 “Then those who dwell in the cities of Israel will go out and set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and bucklers, the bows and arrows, the javelins and spears; and they will make fires with them for seven years. 10 “They will not take wood from the field nor cut down [any] from the forests, because they will make fires with the weapons; and they will plunder those who plundered them, and pillage those who pillaged them,” says the Lord GOD. 11 “It will come to pass in that day [that] I will give Gog a burial place there in Israel, the valley of those who pass by east of the sea; and it will obstruct travelers, because there they will bury Gog and all his multitude. Therefore they will call [it] the Valley of Hamon Gog. 12 “For seven months the house of Israel will be burying them, in order to cleanse the land.

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[Douggg]

No cooking is mentioned. It definitely is not people taking diesel fuel out of tanks and cooking dinner for their families.

When the abomination of desolation is setup on the temple mount, Jesus said in Matthew 24:15-16 for them in Judaea to flee into the mountains.

So that would be for half of the seven years that people will be in the mountains outside of Jerusalem, supernaturally protected by God from harm. While in the mountains, they will be taking fuel from the military vehicles disabled there as a result of the Gog/Magog event for cooking and heat.

 

[tailgator]

Zechariah chapter 14 represents the Lord's return "In Fire" and the eternal kingdom being revealed with the river of life flowing out of New Jerusalem "The Day Of The Lord" is seen in Zechariah 14:1 this represents fire time 2 Peter 3:10 "The Day Of The Lord"

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Well if you notice.The saints are arriving to Jerusalem in Zechariah 14 and they dwell there safely after that day.
The saints are not leaving earth as you claim.

"the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee."​

Zech 14
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.


11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.


In fact,that saints that arrive in Jerusalem with the Lord on that day will dwell there for another 1000 years before Gog comes against them In revelation 20.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Revelation 20 does not need your interpretation.
The chapter speaks for itself and needs no interpretation

Your interpretation of it contradicts many other scriptures, but you don't seem to care about that.

The reason you try to change it's meaning is because you simply don't except the word of God

That is an outright lie. I am changing nothing. I interpret it in such a way that can be reconciled with the rest of scripture. You do not.

Revelation 20 does not contradict other scripture.

Of course it doesn't. But, your interpretation of it certainly does.

It is very clear and precise.

The following passage is very clear and precise, but you don't accept what Jesus taught.

John 5:28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.

Jesus taught that a singular hour is coming when all of the dead will be resurrected. That means all will be resurrected at generally the same time. You have two or more hours coming when the dead will be resurrected instead. Why do you not accept what Jesus taught and adjust your understanding of Revelation 20 accordingly?

 

[Truth7t7]

Give us a ballpark amount as to how many weapons it involved at the time, then tell us what the point was in burning them for 7 years, if after 7 years weapons of that kind still existed and continued to exist indefinitely? In other posts you said it was pretty much a fairy tale to apply this to the future. As if it's not equally a fairy tale if applied to thousands of years ago. That they are going to burn weapons for 7 years, in vain of all things, thus accomplish zero at the end of it.

Your response doesn't remove the fact that the battle seen in Ezekiel Chapter 39 was fought with wooden weapons, and that equals a historical battle long ago

Dave you deny that seen below in wooden weapons, bows, arrows, shields, spears, and you know well its a historical battle

You also insert a 1,000 year gap in between 1 Corinthians 15:23-24 you falsely claim a gap exist between verses 23 and 24, at every move you do whatever it takes to maintain your belief in a future millennial kingdom in scripture that doesn't exist

Ezekiel 39:9-10KJV
9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:
10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord God.

 

[Davidpt]

The following passage is very clear and precise, but you don't accept what Jesus taught.

John 5:28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.

Jesus taught that a singular hour is coming when all of the dead will be resurrected. That means all will be resurrected at generally the same time. You have two or more hours coming when the dead will be resurrected instead. Why do you not accept what Jesus taught and adjust your understanding of Revelation 20 accordingly?

Apparently, you take this hour literally, right? As in a literal 60 minutes, that within this same literal 60 minutes He will have first raised, judged, rewarded all the saved one at a time, possibly billions of people, and when that part is finished, He will then raise the lost, billions and billions of them, within this same literal hour, and before this same literal hour is finished, He will have also judged and sentenced all of lost one at a time. Then once this literal hour is finished it is then meaning the time of 1 Corintians 15:28. Not to mention, all of the lost have to already be dead first before any of the lost can rise from the dead.

If that's not accurate, explain this hour that is coming and how you are interpreting this hour? I can't make sense out of how God can raise both the saved and unsaved within the same hour, and then judge, reward, and sentence some, billions and billions of people, all within this same hour? You can't argue and expect to be taken serious, that any of this is meaning outside of time, since things, such as minutes, hours, days, etc, could not possibly exist in the realm of outside of time.

 

[ewq1938]

While in the mountains, they will be taking fuel from the military vehicles disabled there as a result of the Gog/Magog event for cooking and heat.

Nothing of the sort is found in any part of the bible.

 

[tailgator]

Your interpretation of it contradicts many other scriptures, but you don't seem to care about that.


That is an outright lie. I am changing nothing. I interpret it in such a way that can be reconciled with the rest of scripture. You do not.


Of course it doesn't. But, your interpretation of it certainly does.


The following passage is very clear and precise, but you don't accept what Jesus taught.

John 5:28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.

Jesus taught that a singular hour is coming when all of the dead will be resurrected. That means all will be resurrected at generally the same time. You have two or more hours coming when the dead will be resurrected instead. Why do you not accept what Jesus taught and adjust your understanding of Revelation 20 accordingly?

Revelation 20 needs no interpretation.

It is perfect just the way it is.

The saints who were beheaded for their witness of Jesus are resurected and live and reign with Christ for 1000 years when Gog and the nations surround them in the blessed city and fire comes down from heaven and destroys Gog.

There is nothing wrong with revelation 20.You should except it just as it is and maybe you will learn something.This is exactly what God said would happen to the Israelites who keep his commandments.

 

[ewq1938]

Give us a ballpark amount as to how many weapons it involved at the time, then tell us what the point was in burning them for 7 years, if after 7 years weapons of that kind still existed and continued to exist indefinitely?

What's the minimum amount of weapons required to be burned in a day? A million? A hundred? Just two?

Either way, the text says weapons etc would be burned for 7 years. I accept that the writer meant a literal 7 years but I don't believe this is prophecy once the old covenant was ended because I believe all unfulfilled prophecy ended with it, replaced with a new covenant and new prophecies. Some of those are similar to the old prophecies and some are very different.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Apparently, you take this hour literally, right? As in a literal 60 minutes, that within this same literal 60 minutes He will have first raised, judged, rewarded all the saved one at a time, possibly billions of people, and when that part is finished, He will then raise the lost, billions and billions of them, within this same literal hour, and before this same literal hour is finished, He will have also judged and sentenced all of lost one at a time. Then once this literal hour is finished it is then meaning the time of 1 Corintians 15:28. Not to mention, all of the lost have to already be dead first before any of the lost can rise from the dead.

If that's not accurate, explain this hour that is coming and how you are interpreting this hour?

So, you waste your time, as you so often do, trying to tell me what I believe, and THEN you ask me my understanding of it? It looks like you have my view all figured out, so why the need to ask? LOL. You are something else.

No, I don't take it to mean a literal hour, as in 60 minutes. You could have asked me that FIRST instead of wasting your time misrepresenting what I believe, but I understand that you just don't work that way. You insist on wasting time.

To me, Jesus was saying there is a singular time or event coming and once that time comes, then all of the dead will be resurrected. Some will end up inheriting eternal life and some will be eternally condemned. There is no indication there whatsoever that He was referring to a long period of time there during which all of the dead would be resurrected. Is that what "the hour is coming" means to you?

We don't know the day or hour of Jesus's coming, right? Would anyone try to say that the hour of His coming represents a long period of time the way you understand the coming hour when all of the dead are resurrected? Of course not. So, what is your reason for interpreting the hour that is coming when all the dead are raised to be a long period of time?

Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 2 also refers to the resurrection of both the saved and lost as being at the same time.

There is simply no indication whatsoever in Daniel 12:1-2 or in John 5:28-29 that the resurrection of the saved will be separated by a long time from the resurrection of the lost. It doesn't mean they have to be resurrected at the same exact moment, but the impression scripture gives is that they will be resurrected at generally the same time.

I can't make sense out of how God can raise both the saved and unsaved within the same hour, and then judge, reward, and sentence some, billions and billions of people, all within this same hour?

The dead are raised during that hour or time (however long it actually is). It doesn't say they have to be judged within that same hour. They will also be judged after that, but it doesn't indicate they are judged within that hour in the realm of time. As I've said before, I believe the judgment will occur in the realm of eternity because I believe Jesus will usher in eternity when He comes. Revelation 20:11 indicates that the judgment will not take place in heaven or on earth. It does not have to happen within the hour that is coming. It happens right after that hour comes and the dead are raised.

You can't argue and expect to be taken serious, that any of this is meaning outside of time, since things, such as minutes, hours, days, etc, could not possibly exist in the realm of outside of time.

You can't be expected to be taken seriously if you believe that billions of people will be judged within the realm of time. Can you even imagine how long that would take? It's ludicrous. And, again, Revelation 20:11 suggests strongly that it will not occur within the realm of time because it talks about heaven and earth fleeing from His presence when the judgment takes place, which means it won't occur on earth or in heaven and therefore not within the realm of time.

Do me a favor. Paraphrase John 5:28-29 for me so I can see exactly how you read it. What is your understanding of it? You are constantly telling others what things can't mean, but you don't bother to show what you think it does mean.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Revelation 20 needs no interpretation.

It is perfect just the way it is.

This shows that you are carnal and not spiritual. Paul himself said that the deeper things of God and in scripture must be spiritually discerned by way of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 2:9-16). But, you think you can just figure it all out without the Holy Spirit's help. You are too arrogant to understand scripture properly. You think you know as much as the Holy Spirit himself.

And, again, your interpretation of Revelation 20 contradicts many other scriptures, as I've shown. You apparently do not care about that because you make no effort to reconcile those scriptures with your understanding of Revelation 20.

The saints who were beheaded for their witness of Jesus are resurected and live and reign with Christ for 1000 years when Gog and the nations surround them in the blessed city and fire comes down from heaven and destroys Gog.

Scripture teaches that the dead in Christ will put on immortality when they are resurrected (1 Corinthians 15:51-52). So, no one will be trying to attack those who are immortal. That is ludicrous.

There is nothing wrong with revelation 20.

I agree. There's a lot wrong with your interpretation of it, though. It contradicts other scripture. Which you are making clear that you don't care about.

You should except it just as it is and maybe you will learn something.

LOL. I do accept it as it is. You are not the one to tell me how it is.

I interpret it as referring to a present reality of believers reigning with Christ as priests of God and of Christ because scripture teaches that Christ has been reigning since His resurrection (Matthew 28:16-18, Eph 1:19-23, Rev 1:5-6) an that His people are priests of God and of Christ NOW (1 Peter 2:9, Rev 1:5-6). But, you don't take things like that into consideration because you don't care about being careful to not cause contradictions in scripture.

Do you deny that Jesus reigns now and that His people are priests of God and of Christ now?

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

 

[Davidpt]

What's the minimum amount of weapons required to be burned in a day? A million? A hundred? Just two?

Either way, the text says weapons etc would be burned for 7 years. I accept that the writer meant a literal 7 years but I don't believe this is prophecy once the old covenant was ended because I believe all unfulfilled prophecy ended with it, replaced with a new covenant and new prophecies. Some of those are similar to the old prophecies and some are very different.

First of all there has to be enough weapons to burn non stop for 7 years. Then there has to be a valid reason all these weapons were burned to begin with and what it means once there are no more weapons to burn. Is the reason they are burned is so that there will no longer be weapons like that anymore? Obviously, that can't be true if we apply this to thousands of years ago. Clearly, it didn't put an end to weapons, such as arrows, by burning weapons, such as arrows, for an entire 7 years. IOW, if we apply this to thousands of years ago, they burned those weapons in vain for 7 years since they accomplished absolutely zero at the end of it.

And since there is Isaiah 2:4 to factor in and that it and Ezekiel 38-39 are involving the last days, it makes far more sense to apply these 7 years to these same last days Isaiah 2:4 is involving than it is to apply these 7 years to a period of time thousands of years ago before Christ was born. I don't know how any of you can think that it is reasonable that there were last days that came and went before Christ was born, and then after Christ was born there are then some more last days, different last days? Not to mention, last days require a last day eventually, otherwise they are not last days.

 

[tailgator]

This shows that you are carnal and not spiritual. Paul himself said that the deeper things of God and in scripture must be spiritually discerned by way of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 2:9-16). But, you think you can just figure it all out without the Holy Spirit's help. You are too arrogant to understand scripture properly. You think you know as much as the Holy Spirit himself.

And, again, your interpretation of Revelation 20 contradicts many other scriptures, as I've shown. You apparently do not care about that because you make no effort to reconcile those scriptures with your understanding of Revelation 20.


Scripture teaches that the dead in Christ will put on immortality when they are resurrected (1 Corinthians 15:51-52). So, no one will be trying to attack those who are immortal. That is ludicrous.


I agree. There's a lot wrong with your interpretation of it, though. It contradicts other scripture. Which you are making clear that you don't care about.


LOL. I do accept it as it is. You are not the one to tell me how it is.

I interpret it as referring to a present reality of believers reigning with Christ as priests of God and of Christ because scripture teaches that Christ has been reigning since His resurrection (Matthew 28:16-18, Eph 1:19-23, Rev 1:5-6) an that His people are priests of God and of Christ NOW (1 Peter 2:9, Rev 1:5-6). But, you don't take things like that into consideration because you don't care about being careful to not cause contradictions in scripture.

Do you deny that Jesus reigns now and that His people are priests of God and of Christ now?

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Telling someone they are arrogant for believing the word of God is a little uncalled for.

Revelation 20 needs no interpretation.Your twisting of the word is the reason you can't understand it's simplicity.

 

[tailgator]

What's the minimum amount of weapons required to be burned in a day? A million? A hundred? Just two?

Either way, the text says weapons etc would be burned for 7 years. I accept that the writer meant a literal 7 years but I don't believe this is prophecy once the old covenant was ended because I believe all unfulfilled prophecy ended with it, replaced with a new covenant and new prophecies. Some of those are similar to the old prophecies and some are very different.

No,All the prophecies written by the prophets have not been fulfilled.Jesus and Paul even spoke of the prophecy of Daniel having not been fulfilled.Paul was not writing a new prophecy in 2 thes 2.He was writing about Daniels prophecy.

 

[Davidpt]

No,All the prophecies written by the prophets have not been fulfilled.Jesus and Paul even spoke of the prophecy of Daniel having not been fulfilled.Paul was not writing a new prophecy in 2 thes 2.He was writing about Daniels prophecy.

I fully agree Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2 was writing about Daniel's prophecy. But I suspect we are not interpreting it in the same manner. For example, 2 Thessalonians 2:4. I don't take anything in that verse to be meaning in a literal sense such as a literal rebuilt temple in Jerusalem but that you might. And if so, at least we have something in common. We both recognize Paul is writing about Daniel's prophecy. Can't say the same for some other interpreters around here.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Telling someone they are arrogant for believing the word of God is a little uncalled for.

No, I call you that for saying there is no interpretation of the word of God required. To say that implies that you can figure it all out with your own intellect without needing any help from the Holy Spirit. Even though Paul himself said we need discernment from the Holy Spirit to understand the deeper things of God (1 Corinthians 2:9-16). The natural man cannot understand those things, but you read the Bible like the natural man does.

Revelation 20 needs no interpretation.Your twisting of the word is the reason you can't understand it's simplicity.

You interpret it whether you admit that or not. And your interpretation contradicts other scriptures, as I have shown you. You just ignore that.

 

[tailgator]

I fully agree Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2 was writing about Daniel's prophecy. But I suspect we are not interpreting it in the same manner. For example, 2 Thessalonians 2:4. I don't take anything in that verse to be meaning in a literal sense such as a literal rebuilt temple in Jerusalem but that you might. And if so, at least we have something in common. We both recognize Paul is writing about Daniel's prophecy. Can't say the same for some other interpreters around here.

I take the temple as being the church.Not a building but christians.Paul spoke of the temple of God several times but never refered to a man made structure.
A group of people who come in Jesus name.

Mathew 24
4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many.