Is Ezekiel Chapter 39 In The Gog/Magog Battle Future And Unfulfilled?

[tailgator]

This is when the land of Israel becomes a safe place to live for Israel

Zech 14
9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.

10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.

11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.


The saints who the Lord gathers to Jerusalem will dwell there safely as Zech 14 and Ezekiel 38 says.No one can ever hurt them .But Ezekiel 38 takes place 1000 years after the saints arrive with the Lord in zech 14.


Ezekiel 38
After many days you will be called to arms. In future years you will invade a land that has recovered from war, whose people were gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate. They had been brought out from the nations, and now all of them live in safety.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You must really hate revelation 20 because it destroys all your false doctrines.

Nothing more than a completely false accusation. That's all you have to offer, so I'm not wasting any more time on you. You refuse to make any effort to show how your interpretation of Revelation 20 matches up with 1 Thessalonians 4:14-5:9, 1 Corinthians 15:22-23 and many other scriptures. Which tells me that you don't really care if your interpretation of Revelation 20 contradicts other scripture or not. I guess your Bible only contains Revelation 20 and nothing else.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Let's see if you might be correct. But it will be involving details that have to be taken into account first. Details are something that Amils like to tend to ignore a lot of the time. And don't try and deny it either.

I do deny it. That is the specialty of premils. They deny the details found in clear, straightforward scriptures and try to divert attention away from that by making the focus these more difficult passages instead.

For example, Jesus very explicitly said that an hour is coming when all of the dead will be resurrected. A simple detail there is that one singular hour is coming when all of the dead will be resurrected. Not two or more hours that are coming when the dead will be resurrected as premils falsely believe. So, don't tell me about amils supposedly ignoring details. Look in the mirror.

Also, any comments I make regarding Ezekiel 37-39 are not set in stone. I've made it clear that I believe these our difficult chapters to interpret and that my doctrine is not primarily based on difficult passages like this, but instead on more clear, straightforward passages.

You know you and other Amils ignore details a lot of the time otherwise you couldn't remotely be coming to some of the conclusions that you all do at times.

You have no idea of what you're talking about. You don't even understand Amil, as you prove by misrepresenting it over and over again, so why do you think you have any authority to speak on it?

Ezekiel 37:23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

Let's start with these details first. Does any of that sound like that might fit anyone meant in Matthew 27:52?

No, they were not people who defiled themselves with idols and so on. I don't see Ezekiel 37 as only talking about those who were bodily resurrected, if it is indeed referring to people being bodily resurrected. It could just be speaking figuratively about the people of Israel in general going from spiritual death to spiritual life because of the dead and resurrection of Christ. But, I was speaking from the perspective of Ezekiel 37 being about both the ones resurrected in Matthew 27:52-53 and those who were alive at that time.

What is your understanding of that? Do you think it's referring to bodily resurrection in Ezekiel 37 or figuratively referring to spiritual renewal?

These that came bodily out of the graves, that after they came out they then started doing this--shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

What about these next details?

Ezekiel 37:24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.

So, it does appear that you see this as referring to a future mass bodily resurrection of the dead? Is that correct? How does that line up with what the NT says will happen when the dead are resurrected? The NT doesn't say anything about people being resurrected and then multiplying on the earth and dwelling on the earth and so on.

And after they came out of their graves, they then, at that time, began dwelling in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever

Keeping in mind, obviously Matthew 27:52-53 was a literal event. Which means if you then take Ezekiel 37 to be involving the same things Matthew 27:52-53 is involving, you then have to interpret Ezekiel 37 in the same manner, as in literal. Which then makes nonsense of the texts above I brought up.

If all of Ezekiel 37 is only talking about people who have been bodily resurrected, then when do you think that happens and who are they exactly? In terms of the future resurrection of the dead, scripture teaches that all people will either be resurrected to eternal life or to eternal damnation (John 5:28-29). So, how does your interpretation of Ezekiel 37 fit with that? Are any of those in Ezekiel 37 who come out of their graves believers? If so, wouldn't they be part of the dead in Christ? Why do you have this separate resurrection occurring in the future when scripture teaches that all will be resurrected in the same hour?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Who cares about details, right? Apparently many Amils must not since they have to make pretty much every prophet in the OT out to be liars because they have to change, or simply ignore, many things these prophets said and meant.

You are being ridiculous. You're just out of control with your nonsense at this point. To interpret the OT prophecies differently than you do does not mean we make the OT prophets out to be liars. What you fail to account for is the fact that your interpretations of those OT prophecies contradicts a great deal of NT scripture. But, you don't care about that. All you care about is using your carnal mind to interpret the OT prophecies a certain way and then going out of your way to change NT scripture to fit your false interpretations of those OT prophecies.

For example, in 2 Peter 3:10-12 Peter explicitly says that the entire earth will be burned up when Jesus comes as a thief in the night, but you say "No, Peter! You're wrong. You don't understand the OT prophecies like I do. That can't happen."

Why don't you and other Amils simply face it, Amil theology doesn't cut it.

LOL. Why are you acting as if you haven't come up with many laughably weak arguments over the years when trying to support Premil? Do you think you've come anywhere near proving Premil? Not even close! Yet, here you are saying nonsense like this as if you've ever made a strong argument to prove Premil, which you never have.

One has to explain too many things away or simply ignore too many things, or change too many things to mean something they are not even meaning, as if God Himself never said any of those things through any of His prophets.

That's what I say to you regarding the NT prophecies and NT explanations of OT prophecies that don't agree with our understanding of those prophecies. It's no wonder that you always resort to wanting to talk about difficult to interpret OT prophecies when discussing premil vs. amil because you know that you can't use NT scripture to support premil. That's why you don't even try. It can't be done and you know it. But, you put on this act as if you have airtight arguments to support premil, which you absolutely do not.

If you still think Ezekiel 37 is possibly involving what Matthew 27:52-52 is involving, why even bother trying to understand the Bible at all since you are clearly wasting your time and everyone else's time with these wild goose chases here?

I would think you would prefer that I acknowledge that I'm not sure how to interpret Ezekiel 37-39 instead of acting as if I have it all figured out. But, if I make any suggestion of what it might mean and you disagree, you jump all over me. What is your deal? Would you prefer that I act like I know for sure what Ezekiel 37-39 is all about even if I don't? As I've said, I don't use passages like those as part of the primary foundation of my doctrine because it's foolish to do that using highly debatable and difficult passages like those. But, I'm not allowed to give suggestions on what they might be about? That's mostly what you and other premils do on here is speculate on the meaning of OT prophecies. But, God forbid if I do that?

The way you've been talking to me regarding Ezekiel 37 as well as Ezekiel 38 and 39 is as if I've stated that I have those prophecies all figured out and know for sure what they mean. But, I've never said that. So, why don't you just calm down and stop attacking any opinion I share on those chapters when all I'm doing is the same as everyone else is doing. Speculating on their meaning while also trying to figure out how they fit with the rest of scripture. Which is quite difficult, if you're honest about it. Especially if you take it all literally.

I'm not saying I agree with @tailgator either, in regards to Ezekiel 37. But I certainly don't agree with you for certain if you seriously think Matthew 27:52-52 can possibly explain Ezekiel 37.

I only think that's possible if Ezekiel 37 is not just referring to people who come out of the graves (people being resurrected), but also to people who are alive at the time. If it's only referring to people who are bodily resurrected, then I would not say that it could apply to Matthew 27:52-53 because it talks about people no longer defiling themselve with idols and so on and I don't think Matthew 27:52-53 is talking about the resurrection of people like that, but instead of people who followed and obeyed God and looked forward to the coming of His Messiah.

For the life of me I can't figure out why, you being as intelligent as you are, because clearly you are very intelligent, you then thinking details are unimportant, that they just don't matter.

When did I ever say that? My goodness, how long have we debated scripture? Many years. Do you really know me to be someone who doesn't think details are important? That's insane. You haven't been paying attention if you think that of me. I haven't studied Ezekiel 37-39 in a lot of depth before, so I fully acknowlege that my current understanding of those chapters may not be correct. But, I try to point out that however we interpret them, it needs to line up with the rest of scripture. I don't think you and many others here are very careful about doing that.

If you insist that that is false, that you do think details are important, that details do matter, why then are you coming to some of the absurd conclusions you do at times, mainly involving OT prophecies?

LOL. What is absurd about seeing a description that, if meant to be taken literally, has similarities to Matthew 27:52-53? If we're talking about a future mass resurrection of the dead, then what is described in Ezekiel 37 does not match up with what NT scripture says regarding the future resurrection of the dead. If you think it does, show me how. Jesus indicated that when people are resurrected in the future they will then be judged (John 5:28-29). They won't be roaming around again on the earth or anything like that, so how could Ezekiel 37 be talking about a future mass resurrection of the dead?

You like to talk a lot about what Ezekiel 37 can't mean, so tell me exactly how you interpret it then.

 

[Truth7t7]

This is when the land of Israel becomes a safe place to live for Israel

Zech 14
9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.


The saints who the Lord gathers to Jerusalem will dwell there safely as Zech 14 and Ezekiel 38 says.No one can ever hurt them .But Ezekiel 38 takes place 1000 years after the saints arrive with the Lord in zech 14.

Zechariah 14 Is The Eternal Kingdom​

Zechariah 14:1-12 below shows the Lords return to earth in fire in final judgement.

(Verse 1) shows "The Day Of The Lord" also seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13 "Fire Judgement" below

(Verse 2) Shows that all nations are gathered for the final battle of armageddon.

(Verses 3-5) shows the Lords return, and his eternal feet touch down on the earthly Mt, of Olives, and in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Cor 15:52 takes place, in the catching up, resurrection, final judgement by fire, and the New Heavens, Earth, and Jerusalem being revealed for eternity, judgement complete, eternity begins.

(Verses 6-7) Eternal light seen, in the eternal kingdom, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 8) The river of life is seen, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 10) The New creation is being revealed, the plain is lifted up.

(Verse 12) "The Day Of The Lord" showing the "Last Day" judgement by the Lords fire, as men are consumed as they stand on their feet, 2 Peter 3:10-13

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Revelation 22:1KJV
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

"The Eternal Kingdom"!

Zechariah 14:1-12KJV
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 but it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lordshall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

 

[tailgator]

Nothing more than a completely false accusation. That's all you have to offer, so I'm not wasting any more time on you. You refuse to make any effort to show how your interpretation of Revelation 20 matches up with 1 Thessalonians 4:14-5:9, 1 Corinthians 15:22-23 and many other scriptures. Which tells me that you don't really care if your interpretation of Revelation 20 contradicts other scripture or not. I guess your Bible only contains Revelation 20 and nothing else.

Revelation 20 does not need your interpretation.
The chapter speaks for itself and needs no interpretation

The reason you try to change it's meaning is because you simply don't except the word of God

Revelation 20 does not contradict other scripture.
It is very clear and precise.

 

[Hobie]

You must really hate revelation 20 because it destroys all your false doctrines.This is not an assumption.It is the word of God which you said makes no sense to you

Revelation 20​

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.​

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.​

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.​

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,​

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.​

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them​

Amen, my brother, keep unveiling God's truth...

 

[Douggg]

(Verses 3-5) shows the Lords return, and his eternal feet touch down on the earthly Mt, of Olives, and in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Cor 15:52 takes place, in the catching up, resurrection, final judgement by fire, and the New Heavens, Earth, and Jerusalem being revealed for eternity, judgement complete, eternity begins.

No, Zechariah 14:3-5 takes place at Jesus's return to the present earth. No one is being raptured in those verses.

@Truth7t7 you are an Amillennialist. So that is the reason for your additions to what is actually in Zechariah 14:3-5.

 

[Douggg]

For example, in 2 Peter 3:10-12 Peter explicitly says that the entire earth will be burned up when Jesus comes as a thief in the night,

@Spiritual Israelite , are you an Amillennialist ?

 

[IronMaiden]

God used King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon to destroy Gog the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal

Jeremiah the prophet to Israel in the Babylonian Captivity proclaims below

1.) King Nebuchadnezzar Was God's Servant
2.) God Used The Hand Of Nebuchadnezzar To Consume The Armies

(Until I Have Consumed Them By His Hand)

Jeremiah 27:6-8KJV
6 And now have I given all these lands into the hand of Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, my servant; and the beasts of the field have I given him also to serve him.
7 And all nations shall serve him, and his son, and his son's son, until the very time of his land come: and then many nations and great kings shall serve themselves of him.
8 And it shall come to pass, that the nation and kingdom which will not serve the same Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, and that will not put their neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon, that nation will I punish, saith the Lord, with the sword, and with the famine, and with the pestilence, until I have consumed them by his hand.

Ezekiel 38:3KJV
3 And say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

Ezekiel 39:1KJV
1 Therefore, thou son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

King Nebuchadnezzar's Army Destroyed God's Enemies In Ezekiel Chapter 32 Seen Below

Ezekiel 32:26-28KJV
26 There is Meshech, Tubal, and all her multitude: her graves are round about him: all of them uncircumcised, slain by the sword, though they caused their terror in the land of the living.
27 And they shall not lie with the mighty that are fallen of the uncircumcised, which are gone down to hell with their weapons of war: and they have laid their swords under their heads, but their iniquities shall be upon their bones, though they were the terror of the mighty in the land of the living.
28 Yea, thou shalt be broken in the midst of the uncircumcised, and shalt lie with them that are slain with the sword.

Ezekiel 39:11KJV
11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog.

Ezekiel 39:11 is end-time prophecy. This battle will happen at the 7th trump, the Lord’s Day. This is the Day that Jesus returns and it’s also, the first day of the millennium. This is when we will be changed in the twinkling of an eye into our spiritual bodies as is written in:
1 Corinthians 15:51-52 (NKJV) 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed-- 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

 

[Davidpt]

Ezekiel 39:11 is end-time prophecy. This battle will happen at the 7th trump, the Lord’s Day. This is the Day that Jesus returns and it’s also, the first day of the millennium. This is when we will be changed in the twinkling of an eye into our spiritual bodies as is written in:
1 Corinthians 15:51-52 (NKJV) 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed-- 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

That would mean the 7 years burning the weapons, the 7 months burying the dead, is meaning during the beginning of the millennium, right? If yes, that makes sense to me since there is this to consider---nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more(Isaiah 2:4). And they start by destroying all weapons of war.

 

[ewq1938]

That would mean the 7 years burning the weapons, the 7 months burying the dead, is meaning during the beginning of the millennium, right? If yes, that makes sense to me since there is this to consider---nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more(Isaiah 2:4). And they start by destroying all weapons of war.

But the weapons used now are explosive, and nuclear. Will people really be burning nuclear weapons for 7 years?

No.

This is old scripture that cannot be applied to the second coming. Nothing matches known second coming scripture.

 

[Davidpt]

But the weapons used now are explosive, and nuclear. Will people really be burning nuclear weapons for 7 years?

No.

This is old scripture that cannot be applied to the second coming. Nothing matches known second coming scripture.

Awhile back I came across the following article and bookmarked it at the time. Wasn't for certain if could find it in my bookmarks after all this time, but after searching them I sure enough found it. The article isn't that lengthy and there could be some logic to what the author is proposing. You never know. I find what he is proposing to be reasonable myself. Maybe you won't because maybe you are already fully convinced Ezekiel 38-39 was fulfilled ages ago and nothing is going to convince you otherwise?

One thing the author argues is that the weapons back then could not possibly burn an entire 7 years to begin with. I see no reason that can't be a valid argument by itself? Here's the link below. Like I said, it's not a lengthy article. It's a pretty fast read.

Ezekiel's 7 Years of Fuel — Truth Unchained

www.truthunchained.com

 

[ewq1938]

Awhile back I came across the following article and bookmarked it at the time. Wasn't for certain if could find it in my bookmarks after all this time, but after searching them I sure enough found it. The article isn't that lengthy and there could be some logic to what the author is proposing. You never know. I find what he is proposing to be reasonable myself. Maybe you won't because maybe you are already fully convinced Ezekiel 38-39 was fulfilled ages ago and nothing is going to convince you otherwise?

One thing the author argues is that the weapons back then could not possibly burn an entire 7 years to begin with. I see no reason that can't be a valid argument by itself? Here's the link below. Like I said, it's not a lengthy article. It's a pretty fast read.

Ezekiel's 7 Years of Fuel — Truth Unchained

www.truthunchained.com

I was not impressed with the article. He starts with assuming the chp.s are during the trib or it's end, which is a huge error and talks about burning bodies that have radioactive contamination, which is beyond ridiculous.

There simply is no match between those chp.s and anything found in the NT about Armageddon etc. There is so much of the OT that simply does not fit in NT endtimes prophecy.

 

[Douggg]

But the weapons used now are explosive, and nuclear. Will people really be burning nuclear weapons for 7 years?

No.

This is old scripture that cannot be applied to the second coming. Nothing matches known second coming scripture.

What will be burned for 7 years instead of wood for heated and cooking, will be the diesel fuel in the military vehicles, the tanks, the motorized artillery, the personnel carriers, etc.

The Second Coming of Jesus is in Ezekiel 39:21-29, Jesus Himself speaking in the text.

 

[Truth7t7]

No, Zechariah 14:3-5 takes place at Jesus's return to the present earth. No one is being raptured in those verses.

@Truth7t7 you are an Amillennialist. So that is the reason for your additions to what is actually in Zechariah 14:3-5.

Zechariah chapter 14 represents the Lord's return "In Fire" and the eternal kingdom being revealed with the river of life flowing out of New Jerusalem "The Day Of The Lord" is seen in Zechariah 14:1 this represents fire time 2 Peter 3:10 "The Day Of The Lord"

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

 

[Truth7t7]

Ezekiel 39:11 is end-time prophecy. This battle will happen at the 7th trump, the Lord’s Day. This is the Day that Jesus returns and it’s also, the first day of the millennium. This is when we will be changed in the twinkling of an eye into our spiritual bodies as is written in:
1 Corinthians 15:51-52 (NKJV) 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed-- 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

I Disagree, the battle in Ezekiel 39 took place Long Ago with wooden weapons as scripture clearly identifies Bows, Arrows, Shields, and Spears, that Israel burnt in their fires for seven years thousands of years ago

 

[ewq1938]

What will be burned for 7 years instead of wood for heated and cooking, will be the diesel fuel in the military vehicles, the tanks, the motorized artillery, the personnel carriers, etc.

No, it says the weapons themselves will be burned and nothing about cooking at these fires either.

Eze 39:9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:
Eze 39:10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord GOD.


I don't believe it's correct to translate these things into modern weapons. This is clearly speaking of old weapons and defensive shields, all mostly made from wood and burnable. Again, nothing in the chp matches the NT endtimes or Armageddon. It is not prophecy for any NT/NC (new covenant) believers.

 

[Davidpt]

I was not impressed with the article. He starts with assuming the chp.s are during the trib or it's end, which is a huge error and talks about burning bodies that have radioactive contamination, which is beyond ridiculous.

There simply is no match between those chp.s and anything found in the NT about Armageddon etc. There is so much of the OT that simply does not fit in NT endtimes prophecy.

That means you think weapons back then were burning for an entire 7 years then. That's not even reasonable in ancient times that there could be that many weapons to burn that it takes 7 years to burn them all. Which should then mean there are no more weapons of war, because if there still are some or that someone makes some more, what was the point in burning weapons for an entire 7 years to begin with? What was accomplished by that?

As to Revelation 20:7-9, no matter how you look at it, none of that will be involving man made weapons of any kind. And why not? Maybe because they destroyed them all at the beginning of the millennium? Otherwise, how do we explain what happens to all weapons of war? It's not like the 21st century there is no such thing as man made weapons of war, and that it is silly to think Revelation 20:7-9 will be involving man made weapons of war, such as tanks, missiles, etc. Not that you are thinking it would involve man made weapons. I'm just stressing a point is all, that it is silly that Revelation 20:7-9 can be involving tanks, missiles, etc. As if all those things are present during the millennium but out of service, then after the millennium they are being used again.

 

[Douggg]

No, it says the weapons themselves will be burned and nothing about cooking at these fires either.

Eze 39:9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:

Let's say all the weapons - if literally the ancient weapons listed, were stacked in piles, do you really think it would take seven years to burn them ?

Let's examine further.....

Ezekiel 39.10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord GOD.

What were the people doing with the wood they took out of the field. And the wood of the trees they cut down out of the forests ?

They were burning the wood for cooking and heat.